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djaeveloplyse ago

A good sentiment, but unrealistic, I think.

  1. The leftist rabble are PC SJWs, they will not accept truth. It is not by our choice that we are a primarily right wing, it is because the leftists will not join us that is the case.

  2. They will use that vector of attack regardless. Again, truth has nothing to do with it.

  3. Being highly motivated is also important, and politics is a powerful motivator. Turning away avenues of research out of an attempt to be apolitical is also bad.

Ultimately, the left does not care that children are being raped and/or killed. They don't even give lip service to caring. Like not caring that Hillary stole the primary from Bernie by blatantly cheating, they dismiss and excuse away all evidence of wrongdoing as right wing lies or justified for the greater good. Like it or not, the moral absolutism of rightists means that's where we are going to get 90% of our support.

KingKongVoats ago

The post is bullshit because this /v/pizzagate is a limited hangout the deletes any mention of RNC pedo's or that TRUMP is a PIMP of children for the Mob Casinos. ... When the mods here are executed, and left&right,liberal&conservative are free to speak, then we can talk non-partisan, now you all want to talk non-partisanship, but maintain the fucking censorship that skews the PEDO on DNC.

Almost all PEDO in USA history is RIGHT-WING sodomite non-gay men fucking children, men like J Edgar Hoover,

non-partisan is this..

liberals have sex consensually conversatives flip children into prostitution and BUY love

TruthTrumps ago

There are dems on this board who are every bit as outraged and sickened by this scandal as any conservative. At this point, a lot of them may be temporarily blinded because they think this is a right vs left issue....but once that can be proven wrong, I expect a lot more to come on board. (I don't expect that of rabid SJWs though.) When I first read that Scalia was involved in this stuff....I stepped back and thought "No way!". But after reading more about how deep this goes...I'm not so sure anymore. Same goes for Bush Sr. None of us wants to believe the dirt when it's on our side....not at first, anyway. There are a lot of people who are pointing the finger at Trump too. I'm praying they are wrong. I THINK they are wrong...but we don't know for sure. When he talked about "draining the swamp"...I'm hoping he meant this pedo ring....the root of all the other evil and corruption in our government.

djaeveloplyse ago

Totally agree. Among the elites, this is way deeper than the left/right divide. But, among the common people, PC culture is a very effective psychological control mechanism. Right-leaning commoners, whose ideological foundation already includes hatred of the elites, will be more open to hearing that they are true villains. I've actually had success with the explanation that this blackmail scheme they have running finally explains the phenomenon that no matter how righteous a Republican seems going in, after a few years in Washington DC they turn into Rinos.

ExiledAnubis ago

OP and myself are both "left" progressives (Bernie supporters) that are highly behind Pizzagate and were vehemently against Hillary. Again, this is not a Left/Right issue, this is a human rights issue. To answer your points:

1) Don't overgeneralize and alienate potential allies. You gain no additional allies by doing this and only stand to lose

2) They can try, but it only makes their job EASIER if we give them direct quotes that they can use to prove this point

3) If someone isn't highly motivated to take action by the thought of innocent children being raped and murdered for the entertainment of social/political elites, they are part of the problem.

3b) The entire point of removing bias from PizzaGate is to avoid turning away avenues of research, not the other way around.

djaeveloplyse ago

I agree that pizzagate itself is not a left/right issue (although from what I've seen the left is the more compromised of the two). However, I'm talking about the support we can expect from random people on the internet to help investigate and expose. You and OP are exceptions, not the norm, unfortunately. The left has gone down a bad road with PC and SJW culture, and common people steeped in those philosophies will be of no use whatsoever. They cannot think critically or rationally anymore. We will need absolute proof to wake many of those people up, and some will still never wake up at all.

  1. I don't agree. Criticizing PC SJW dogma for helping to hide these crimes can be a powerful tool to bring new people into acceptance of the situation. Many people see the PC SJW bent of the mainstream media already, and when they express doubt that the media would cover something like this up, pointing out their PC bias can cause a realization that indeed the media could be covering stuff like this up. It is always easier to use existing agreement to create new agreement compared to creating new agreement from scratch.

  2. It really doesn't make it harder or easier. In fact, it is easier to make fake accounts and post inflammatory stuff than it is to search for it among mountains of perfectly mild stuff.

  3. I agree. Most leftists are not highly motivated by this because they cannot conceive of it being true and maintain their worldview. Leftism relies upon enlightened philosopher kings to function, pedophilia invalidates that enlightenment (which is why they push the "social" issues as hard as they do in an attempt to creep such disgusting behavior into social acceptance).

3b. I understand that, but if there is a research avenue that only a leftist can see because they lack a rightists bias, we will need true leftists to see them. I welcome you here for that reason, and I respect you for not being a total slave to PC. However, to ask anyone to forgo what they see out of some desire to not be labelled crazy by the complicit media is still falling right into the PC trap. We cannot allow our search for the truth to be blunted by any attempt to mollify the media. When we find absolute proof, there will be no amount of insults they can level to make any difference, yet they will level every insult they possibly can, true or not, until then and beyond.

ExiledAnubis ago

The left has gone down a bad road with PC and SJW culture, and common people steeped in those philosophies will be of no use whatsoever. They cannot think critically or rationally anymore.

Yes, that is certainly true, I agree

Thanks for being civil in this discussion here, unlike quite a few others below. This is what we need, intelligent people having civil discussion, working together to focus on finding and documenting the truth.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

PC SJW dogma has nothing to do with hiding these crimes against humanity. It is merely the perversion of the side that these international hounds arbitrarily decided to brainwash. Liberalism and SJW dogma have literally nothing to do with each other. Militant anti-racism uber PC bullshit was completely synthesized by these trillionaire mother fuckers. I am liberal as fuck, young, and intelligent. I don't buy the PC bullshit.

djaeveloplyse ago

Sure it does. PC SJW allows the masterminds to dismiss anyone who would expose them by yelling "racist sexist bigot!" They do so, and it works, the common leftist will accept that the accused is a racist/sexist/bigot, then never accept anything they have to say, even distort what is said to fit that warped viewpoint of them. It doesn't work on you, but it works on most leftists, and many on the right, too. I think you need to really take a closer look at how closely tied to each other modern "liberalism" and SJW/PC philosophy have become. You might want to find a different crowd to identify with, because if you aren't on board with intersectional identity politics, they sure don't identify with you.

THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago

You know... you're right.

ScottKnight ago

To be fair I wouldn't blame the left but some people in the US are extremely loyal to the democratic party and won't believe anything bad about them at all.

Because think, what we are doing right now is being social justice warriors

djaeveloplyse ago

I don't blame the left either, but their philosophy demands politically correct newspeak form its adherents, so they are just not going to be very useful to this cause. Once proven, many leftists will see the light, but until then most will dismiss it with absolute cognitive dissonance.

ravagedblade1588 ago

The real SJWs, however I like to think of us just being decent human beings. However, remember there are dogmatic believers on every ideology.

@djaeveloplyse "Ultimately, the left does not care that children are being raped and/or killed. They don't even give lip service to caring. " That tiny phrase is a sound bite to use against you. I understand your anger. Direct it towards the evil. In the end when justice comes party will mean little.

djaeveloplyse ago

I will not shy away from the truth simply because evil people might use it against me. The left genuinely does not care, just like they don't care about Bill Clinton's many credible accusations of raping adults.

ravagedblade1588 ago

Then explain the number of "left" leaning folks here? This is not a leftist issue There are various cases of these dating back to the 70s all involving both parties. Again think outside of your political perception this is a good vs evil.

djaeveloplyse ago

I didn't say it was a leftist issue at the top, I said that leftists among the common people who subscribe to PC will not be of much use.