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I will be brief however straight to the point. I am seeing way to much left blaming on this issue. While it appears right now the left is involved with this scandal. Historically it is a bipartisan issue, both sides are highly entrenched. We also need to keep things focused purely as "stopping evil people, no matter, their race religion, political affiliation". Second, we need to be logical, objective, and entrench ourselves with the concepts of logic (Ref=http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/ memorize make it part of your psyche). This is about the children. I will make a post soonish detailing the potential numbers involved, I will say based on quick equations of the numbers we are looking at a Holocaust size event. Our primary and only motivator is to save the children. Political, religious, and economic ideologies are irrelevant.
Reasons why this needs to happen.
- It is stop the alienation of allies on all sides of the political, philosophical, and economic spectrum. Rather they are socialist, capitalists, libertarian, right wing, or left wing; or they are christian atheist, jew or muslim we are united in stopping evil people.
- According to Sun Tzus art of war, this will eliminate a vector of attack from our enemies. No longer they can write off as a conspiracy movement of the right...but as a movement of justice and humanitarian force that is made up of a united front.
- Finally motivation, if there are political motivations behind every investigation. It will create bias and affect the investigation. It can lead to skipping or missing over evidence. Skew the interpretation of evidence, or influence conclusions. Most importantly the motivation is more being politically right than saving the kids.
I am not saying this is everyone, however I have see many posts on various social mediums that are to political or religious and the MSM is 100% using it as an avenue of attack. Let us drop our religious, economic, and political banners and work together to save these children and stop evil. I am saying this as a Progressive who wants evil destroyed.
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djaeveloplyse ago
A good sentiment, but unrealistic, I think.
The leftist rabble are PC SJWs, they will not accept truth. It is not by our choice that we are a primarily right wing, it is because the leftists will not join us that is the case.
They will use that vector of attack regardless. Again, truth has nothing to do with it.
Being highly motivated is also important, and politics is a powerful motivator. Turning away avenues of research out of an attempt to be apolitical is also bad.
Ultimately, the left does not care that children are being raped and/or killed. They don't even give lip service to caring. Like not caring that Hillary stole the primary from Bernie by blatantly cheating, they dismiss and excuse away all evidence of wrongdoing as right wing lies or justified for the greater good. Like it or not, the moral absolutism of rightists means that's where we are going to get 90% of our support.
ExiledAnubis ago
OP and myself are both "left" progressives (Bernie supporters) that are highly behind Pizzagate and were vehemently against Hillary. Again, this is not a Left/Right issue, this is a human rights issue. To answer your points:
1) Don't overgeneralize and alienate potential allies. You gain no additional allies by doing this and only stand to lose
2) They can try, but it only makes their job EASIER if we give them direct quotes that they can use to prove this point
3) If someone isn't highly motivated to take action by the thought of innocent children being raped and murdered for the entertainment of social/political elites, they are part of the problem.
3b) The entire point of removing bias from PizzaGate is to avoid turning away avenues of research, not the other way around.
djaeveloplyse ago
I agree that pizzagate itself is not a left/right issue (although from what I've seen the left is the more compromised of the two). However, I'm talking about the support we can expect from random people on the internet to help investigate and expose. You and OP are exceptions, not the norm, unfortunately. The left has gone down a bad road with PC and SJW culture, and common people steeped in those philosophies will be of no use whatsoever. They cannot think critically or rationally anymore. We will need absolute proof to wake many of those people up, and some will still never wake up at all.
I don't agree. Criticizing PC SJW dogma for helping to hide these crimes can be a powerful tool to bring new people into acceptance of the situation. Many people see the PC SJW bent of the mainstream media already, and when they express doubt that the media would cover something like this up, pointing out their PC bias can cause a realization that indeed the media could be covering stuff like this up. It is always easier to use existing agreement to create new agreement compared to creating new agreement from scratch.
It really doesn't make it harder or easier. In fact, it is easier to make fake accounts and post inflammatory stuff than it is to search for it among mountains of perfectly mild stuff.
I agree. Most leftists are not highly motivated by this because they cannot conceive of it being true and maintain their worldview. Leftism relies upon enlightened philosopher kings to function, pedophilia invalidates that enlightenment (which is why they push the "social" issues as hard as they do in an attempt to creep such disgusting behavior into social acceptance).
3b. I understand that, but if there is a research avenue that only a leftist can see because they lack a rightists bias, we will need true leftists to see them. I welcome you here for that reason, and I respect you for not being a total slave to PC. However, to ask anyone to forgo what they see out of some desire to not be labelled crazy by the complicit media is still falling right into the PC trap. We cannot allow our search for the truth to be blunted by any attempt to mollify the media. When we find absolute proof, there will be no amount of insults they can level to make any difference, yet they will level every insult they possibly can, true or not, until then and beyond.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
PC SJW dogma has nothing to do with hiding these crimes against humanity. It is merely the perversion of the side that these international hounds arbitrarily decided to brainwash. Liberalism and SJW dogma have literally nothing to do with each other. Militant anti-racism uber PC bullshit was completely synthesized by these trillionaire mother fuckers. I am liberal as fuck, young, and intelligent. I don't buy the PC bullshit.
djaeveloplyse ago
Sure it does. PC SJW allows the masterminds to dismiss anyone who would expose them by yelling "racist sexist bigot!" They do so, and it works, the common leftist will accept that the accused is a racist/sexist/bigot, then never accept anything they have to say, even distort what is said to fit that warped viewpoint of them. It doesn't work on you, but it works on most leftists, and many on the right, too. I think you need to really take a closer look at how closely tied to each other modern "liberalism" and SJW/PC philosophy have become. You might want to find a different crowd to identify with, because if you aren't on board with intersectional identity politics, they sure don't identify with you.
THE_LIES_OH_THE_LIES ago
You know... you're right.