You better bet your bottom dollar post on social media are going to be used in family court, civil court and criminal court. It is always best to be aware of where the line is on speech laws.

You are right I forgot to include the reasonable person standard. Still it is worth pointing out very real restrictions that do exist on speech to people. I prefer to inform and glad you add quality content as well.

Admins stay out of most everything here. 50/50 chance the whole thing is a honeypot though.

Well, it's just 2 guys. If gov or someone wants to fuck things up, they probably can.

Good luck, faggot. Let me know how far you get with any of that.

I have yet to see the voat admits censor anything. But of course nothing is to stop them from doing it. I imagine one day atko will get a very creepy visit from some threatening people and then the censorship will begin. Which I won't blame him for. He has given us a lot of his time and effort to give us this unsafe space. I don't expect him to risk his life or family to keep doing it.

In other words it's likely it will eventually happen again and we will need to move once more. But hopefully not for a while.

It might. If you really don't want to happen again rent a server and run it yourself. You should just assume if you aren't paying any money then whoever is can do whatever they want.

Voat will probably end up like Reddit one day. If the site gets popular and someone offers Atko a shitload of money, I can understand him if he sells out and start enjoying life. In the meanwhile, we can enjoy the free speech here until it's time to move on to the next site. It's the cycle of life... Digg -> Reddit -> Voat -> ...

This is where gamergate came once we got banned. You're good here unless you accidentally start linking child porn directly.

I've been through a few of these, and I've been using voat ever since FPH was banned from reddit (I personally think that FPH is trashy and low class, but I prefer hanging out with trashy people to people who practice censorship).

My first news aggregator type site was Digg. I don't even remember what it is they did that caused the mass exodus to Reddit. Reddit was Digg 2.0, and it was all fine. Reddit started making its owners a lot of money, and investors were looking to invest in the site. It became a way to sell ads. The thing about ads is that companies looking to advertise don't want to be associated with Nazis or assholes who make fun of fat people. Reddit tried to quarantine the NSFW shit, so you had to go looking for it. Some people were salty about it, but I feel it was a reasonable compromise. That worked for a while, then Reddit started banning subreddits. I think they started with the pedo shit, but no one cares about them. Then they started going after non-PC subreddits, and that's when I cashed out and moved to voat.

Every few months we'll get a new influx of refugees from reddit, and some people will get pissy about it because it means that there are more diverse opinions. Personally I prefer there being more people, because if there is disagreement in a forum with no rules on what speech is and isn't allowed, the strongest ideas will rise to the top, and the weak ones will be weeded out. It's evolution of memetic thought and it's fascinating to watch it happen. I'm getting off course though.

The admins of this site will one day sell out. If they don't sell out someone will figure out a way to do a hostile takeover of the site and milk it's money making potential for all that it's worth. The pedos and the FPHers will be kicked out, and they'll go make a new playground and build it up so that when people leave voat they'll have somewhere new to go.

There will be relentless ddos attacks.

I feel like this is going to happen a lot, it really comes down to the devs and how solid they are in their convictions to remain uncompromised.

My only concern at this time is whether voat will be able to handle the traffic. It's already slow, and /r/pizzagate was a rapidly growing community.

Atko isnt going to go censor happy. He and Puttitout founded the site on the principle of freedom of speech, and any would be censors have been slapped dosn hard. E.g. @She (a mod of /v/askvoat) went censor happy, got downvoated so much for her shennanigans that she was post restricted, and when she complained about it Atko told her "calm your tits" and to stop censoring subverses.

Voat isnt a safe space, and the admins arent going to bow to pressure unless they get kidnapped like Assange.

reddit refugee here (first wave of sub bans). we're doing good, our NeoFAG page is almost back to reddit level subscribers, so build it and they will come. only annoying thing is the constant outages on VOAT, but you'll get used to it and they're normally brief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OblL026SvD4

this describes voat pretty well, you faggot

Thanks for all the info.

I agree that a distributed system would be better. On the other hand, no way I'm giving a phone number to steemit, that Personally Identifiable Information and I'm not trusting them with it.

I tried joining there earlier. It kept freezing up on me.

You know what is funny?, after the fatpeoplehate sub got banned, Reddit tried to ban our image site by get this, uploading CP, those sick bastards keep their CP handy and ready to upload.

Nope you will not be banned for that but you could be reported to the FBI for your comment (because your comments is technically criminal speech if you meet the means, motive, and take an overt action in furtherance of your threat.), so there is that.

Quit guzzling his cum and donate so this place can stay afloat with the new influx of redfugees.

Literally upvoated. Welcome to your new home.

voat is only safe in the fact that it isn't reddit and is competing with it. Sure, on a long enough timeline, it could turn into reddit. It's up to us to protect it. One thing I like about voat is that they are relying on donations now for server time. This means they aren't relying on the advertisements, but that we should expect a lot of downtime unless we donate. And, if we don't donate, this place won't be ours.

Also, as long as we donate, this place will be ours, and we can enforce the rules that make sense.

Basically, at this time, everything's up in the air, which is as much an advantage for us as it is for "them". CTR is coming here next!

Wew lad

I eat shills for breakfast; pretty sure I'm not the only one. As long as we remain vigilant and adapt to their sneaky ways, we'll be good. It's when those twits get mod powers that the real battle starts.

I'm so grateful for the people who were always popping up in different /r/conspiracy and /r/pizzagate threads just to remind people of where to go in case the sub became compromised or banned. I've seen over 4,000 users here at once in the past half hour. I'm optimistic that we'll be able to re-establish our backed up evidence here, but we need to decide what our new back-up plan is, because our last one is now Plan A.

what's to stop voat admins from doing the same thing reddit admins are doing now

Well, considering that our admin @Atko just made this a featured subverse, I think things should be good for now. :)

They're shutting down the spin off subs too! https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5ee87e/all_pizzagate_spin_off_subreddits_also_getting/

It also means that alternative views to the voat hive mind are silenced easy.

"When I get to heaven, Tie me to a tree"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jYk5u9vKfA

When reddit became shit a few years ago, people came here. Now more and more are FINALLY catching on (it's shitty moves didn't personally effect them so everything was fine). Voat may go the same way one day, and we will move on again. It's just a website, there is no need to be dedicated to it once it makes decisions that are bad for the community but good for the share holders. Learn to walk away. I, and many others on this site exclusively go here (with the RARE check on Reddit to see what's trending, protip: it's reposts and propaganda), don't have a twitter anymore, and don't have a FB anymore. Cut the ties. Move on. They are websites, not your life.

Fuck reddit and their pedo protecting admins.

DON'T STOP INVESTIGATING!

You should be fine here. Voat is much less cucked.

@Atko literally just made this a featured sub. Why? Voat. That's why.

I WILL RIP THE THROUGH T OUT OF ANY CHILD TOUCHER. just give me the call, i am your army

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ_WDLA9i7c

Voat will be safe since it is a largely smaller community, but that also means it has a chance of being bullied out. We are currently making /v/all so that is epic. We can use that to our advantage to gain exposure to the members of voat and gain support along with reddit.

Archive everything as you go along. Keep those Archives on a separate source that's encrypted.

Not archiving is like not saving a 1000 page thesis as you type it.

wtf? Anywhere I can read more on this?

Theres no guarantees. there is no "safe space" for anything. This is THE refuge. For now. If Voat falls then another site will take it's place and the user base will migrate as they see fit like whats happening with Reddit.

Not the final refuge, such places don't exist, but a rufuge nonetheless.

Welcome to voat. Enjoy it while it lasts. Because like all things created with good intentions; its bound to fail.

what's to stop voat admins from doing the same thing reddit admins are doing now,

Nothing.

Eventually a lot of money is going to be needed to keep voat runing, thats when the cooparations come in and thats when the things will go downhill. (unless voat will become a pay site, which would be shit for me without a paypal acc or accsess to bitcoin)

Until then the admins are chill (unless you do something to break US law.)

And your refuge is nerver final you always have to move on, sometimes you can stay for long periods (4chan 15 years) but eventually you have to go.

Who actually has authority overall here? Who actually owns voat ?

As I can tell, the only problem I've seen with the admins is their lack of management skills and absence from the community at times. It seems like they're hyper-active with keeping up with free-speech and not permitting doxxing and stuff along those lines. So if you're looking for a place where you won't get banned for a dissenting opinion, this seems like the place to come.

Nothing would absolutely prevent them but hear this. Atko is deeply anti-racist, yet is willing to host Voat. He's no stranger to hosting what he doesn't like.

Also, why would he hate pizzagate. The only time he has ever censored something it was in response to the open practice of posting underage nude content. He would be aligned with hosting pizzagate. Despite being aligned with pizzagate he was still willing to host that other content for quite a while under the virtue of "ban nothing."

Here is your real guarantee. Archive. We not only lost reddit as a place to discuss pizzagate. We lost the record we developed. That record even if all of us quit investigating would be damning to them forever if the reddit page didn't go blank.

Bottom line.. as this site grows it will need $$ capital $$ to maintain the growth.. (fate pipes/bandwidth/serious hardware). Unless it becomes a paid to access site or some billionaire decides to float the costs, eventually corporate cocksuckers will come into play. PERIOD. Personally, until that happens this is my home (FUCK eddit!!). Enjoy the ride while it lasts and hopefully some day a system will be born that will circumvent this vicious downward spiral.

Who is

kingkongwaswrong [O]

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It's a never ending struggle. We should be working on a decentralized system where people censor what they want themselves. At some point the Feds will show up.

The only subs to ever be banned on Voat were a handful of borderline-pedo subs for legal liability reasons. As for users, non-spammers literally never get banned.

You're good.

Much safer than reddit, ironically enough, it's so hellbent on free speech that it still harbors subs of dressed young girls, but they have essentially been abandoned, I think it was mostly meant to test the resistance of the website

edit: I should add, this riot.me/matrix stuff seems fishy at first glance, like who is amdocs and why do they show up on wikileaks... not sure yet, could be nothing but i keep my mind open to the possibility that there is an organized push to get people on that network

edit2:

"Amdocs is laying 500 staff members worldwide, including 200 in Israel" link

"Cramer Systems, a provider of operations and support systems software to the global telecommunications industry (acquired by Amdocs for $425 million)" link

Could be nothing, not taking a chance still

Sup, bitches.

A bunch of reddit came here along the way. It's not perfect, but the powermod bullshit isn't the problem here. That's good enough for me.

We'll see how they fuck with us this time.

Reddit is dead.

Spez must be connected to the pedo ring.

Nothing stops them from anything, like every websites. On the other hand, the admins rarely interfere with the communities, except if you break the rules or if you moderate like an asshole in a system (default) sub.

edit: there's no guaranty that they won't be beaten with a pipe, though.

I don't know. I'm new to voat myself. We need to dump what we can. If we keep having to move private forums would be the way to go