This is a beg, but I have some potentially important new info to share and I can’t because I don’t have enough upvoats. Can anybody help a sister out please?
I really don't understand how these guys manage to "catch" anyone. Surely the "no one knows you're a dog on the Internet." defence is all that's needed?
"I never thought for a second you were a twelve yeat old."
...and home they go.
Can't imagine most, if any, of these end up being prosecuted just because of they way the vigilantes try to entrap them. Bad for the actual law enforcement in all likelihood.
if people can be arrested for publishing the identity of a person charged with a sex offense, than why is this law not applied to false rape accuastions
He's another kind of criminal in itself. He's not looking to actually help anyone, he wants to use this as justification to take pent-up anger and rage out on others, in some attempt to become a real life superhero. It reminds me of when reddit tried to play detective and find the Boston Marathon bombers, only to accuse a totally innocent guy of the crime and almost ruin his life.
This guy is playing with fire and will likely end up getting a massive lawsuit someday.
This article is biased. They do but even explain the details of his arrest. All that they mention is: " Police have now charged Warner with aggravated assault and publishing the identity of a person charged with a sex offense", which tells me Jack shit other than it sounds like he assaulted one of his suspects.
Police have now charged Warner with aggravated assault and publishing the identity of a person charged with a sex offense.
"Arrested for Catching Child Predators Better than Police"
Yeah uh, not the same thing. I'm a little disapointed in the free thought project on this one. Usually they dot their i's and cross their t's. This is clickbait and from what I know of them a new low.
Edit: By Matt Agorist
C'mon Matt, you're better than this. Tell the story how it happened AND THEN explain the concept to them. tsk tsk.
Hope he sues the city, police force, prosectors, and all the others involved in his arrest both their official capacity and individual. Why didn't the article name the city?
He must have targeted a cop or a politician to prompt this kind of harassment. The cops are in on the trafficking. Until we root out the rats and moles, nothing is going to change.
These types of people are the real heroes we need to get behind and support in whatever way we can. This guy and the red-light-camera guy that was arrested. Both are taking monies away from shitty local police forces who have grown complacent and authoritarian.
Naturally, many folks on social media do not see it from the perspective of police and are calling this move an injustice.
Now that we've heard from our moral authorities... I'm unsure if this is a variation of "damning with faint praise", or something like an "appeal to a faulty authority".
Although police called him a vigilante,
Judging by the weak defense this author offers, and his avoidance of links to the actual story, I suspect he's probably overstepped his authority and committed crimes. See quote below...
The 42-year-old was able to perform two citizen arrests on alleged paedophiles before police arrested him and charged him with aggravated assault, two counts of using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence and one count of publishing the identity of a person charged with sexual offence on Friday.
Who gives a flying shit what "folks on social media" think? Fuck em.
Who gives a flying shit what this author thinks?
Matt Agorist is an honorably discharged veteran of the USMC and former intelligence operator directly tasked by the NSA. This prior experience gives him unique insight into the world of government corruption and the American police state. Agorist has been an independent journalist for over a decade and has been featured on mainstream networks around the world. Agorist is also the Editor at Large at the Free Thought Project.
Oh, well he may have some clout then. Either way, the article is to REPORT, not to bring bias. But he was charged?! Yeah, how else do you think police are going to keep him and justify arrest?
And yes, the spelling of Pedophile in British English is in fact, "Paedophile."
The 42-year-old was able to perform two citizen arrests on alleged paedophiles before police arrested him and charged him with aggravated assault, two counts of using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence and one count of publishing the identity of a person charged with sexual offence on Friday.
Guy is full of shit, and shaves his head... Just because he happened to choose law enforcement and pedophiles as his target doesn't excuse his extremely biased propaganda efforts. Look at any story on that site, and you'll find the same type of bullshit.
Do they really count as predators if they do not rip the child apart with their beaks and have it for snacks? What's a predator anyway? I would watch obnoxious children, that ruin date nights with whining and loud speech, get taken apart by falcons.
80 bucks last night and I couldn't even hear the thoughts inside my own head because Avalon wanted desert and daddy was mean....
I can't speak for SayTan but I am personally closing in on 50. I typically date younger women but even in their 30's and 40's women already have kids. Plenty of grandkids too. A 35 year old woman that's attractive and intelligent but doesn't have at least one kid more than likely isn't a 'unicorn' - it's a giant flashing 'DANGER' sign.
So, yeah, if you're 20 and dating a single mom you're a loser. At 45, not so much.
Fuck off. I am talking about the couples or single mothers or grandparents that take screaming children to where I take my dates and ruin everybody's evening. Likely even their own evening.
Read for comprehension, dickweed. Stand up and thoughts won't go over your microencephalic head.
The police are just the tools... It is the "justice system" you need to point your ire at. AND, THEN SOMETIMES... it comes down to THE "good people" of the jury, as just happened in Kate Steinle's death from some illegal motherfucker. The jury let him go, did not convict him of a single thing. How is THAT the cops's fault! NOT the first time I've seen THAT sort of shit. And... then there is "the court". You think it is some entity where you get some fair and honest trial? Crooked Lawyers, Crooked Judges... Guess again. How is THAT the Cop's fault.
He was the channer that went to a Black Lives Matter protest in the cities to livestream, dance around, and have a good time. Some stuff happened, and 2nd time he went he got bumrushed by a horde of angry niggers. He had to fire in self defense. The jury trial that he went through was packed full of zim zam tier white guilt and convicted him despite there being very weak evidence suggesting that he went out of his way to cause trouble.
If you put yourself in those situations, things often will not be on your side. Especially if something goes wrong. Discretion is the better part of valor. Going to monkey events is stupid and counter-productive.
If you set yourself up to get knocked down, you did.
Devil's advocate, but couldn't this potentially interfere with the people's due process? I mean isn't he essentially doxxing people he believes are pedophiles before they have their day in court? I understand that he would have contacted them online and they may have turned up to meet what they thought were underage people, but that's not my point. I know voat is staunchly anti-pedo, but I'm not defending pedophiles, I'm defending due process. If we let it erode for those we despise, then it simultaneously erodes for those we like as well, even though we may not witness it right away.
I keep saying this to no end but many seem to miss my point. I'm not advocating that these men are nessacarily innocent or good by any means. But in all instances there's either no child involved nor is this done using a service that allows underage users for the most part. The genuine pedos are probably using more sophisticated means or only target family members. It's apparent that these tactics are only playing on internet hysteria and the desperation of the sickos involved. The guys they're busting appear quite inept at even tricking overweight desperate adult women, I really doubt there's many young children who are genuinely going for the losers on adult dating websites. They've probably got better options IRL with people in their age group. And if they happen to be using a dating site I'm certain they would be more predatory towards young alpha boys/girls who would have to meet the parents.
You only have to look as far as PizzaGate to think that there are sophisticated rings. These people that are "catching" these types of pedos are essentially picking the low hanging fruit. Which is unfortunate when you think about the thousands of children that are being sold into sexual slavery.
I think you are right. Hes saying he jist 'handed them over' to police. So basically he is a self appointed cop and days he is not even thoughj that is exactly what he is doing.
Hell if this is legal why not let everyone be cops woth no training or background check. Also if you simply imagine this is appropriate you could see him meeting another self appointed cop who was 'just indercover'. I suppose if he werent mak8ng citizens arrests it would be legal but that is not what the article says.
I sure would like to baot a package thief with a package with gps on my porch and then follow them and seat their house. But thats illegal because i am not a vop.
If someone is raping a child or distirbing the public peace and it is valled for, i might perform a citozens arrest
As far as I'm aware, if there is someone that is clearly breaking a law then it is perfectly legal to perform a citizen's arrest. But you also leave yourself open to legal action potentially, which cops wouldn't have to worry so much about as they have the departments resources to deal with all that.
The reason cops don't run the risk isn't because of departmental resources but because of the law. They have legal immunity because they are empowered by the state and operating with its powers. There are very few instances in which a private citizen is empowered to make a citizens arrest and even fewer where they would enjoy any sort of immunity from liability for anything they did wrong while doing so.
Well it would depend on the jurisdiction but in the US you can generally only perform a citizens arrest if someone is physically endangering the public.
This meme is Jewish propaganda. Why that narrative exists is obvious if you understand what Jews are and what they strive to do. It's the idea that only the Jewish-infested court system can deliver "justice". That even the outsider, the pervert, the Jew, the violent animal have rights.
Well they don't.
And they shouldn't. And the illusion that they should must be dispensed with.
Lynching and vigilantism are both perfectly good ways to combat corrupt institutions and violent criminals. They are perfectly good ways to deliver justice, real and swift. And they worked fine for a very long time, transferring power away from centralized structures and directly into the hands of fathers and communities and volk.
The more harsh the punishment is not correlated with reduced offending. There is pretty clear evidence of this. In fact the more harsh the punishment, the more a person is likely to do more harm. E.g. If they know they are going to be put on death row or shot anyway, then why not go all out and do as much as you can before you die? It is arguably more important to defend due process for people that we despise. SJWs like to use similar logic, in that they don't want people they perceive to be "right-wing" to have any rights. That ring-wing people shouldn't be able to have freedom of speech/thought. But the problem is when the tide turns they will be on the receiving end, so we all need to fight to have rights, whether it be due process, freedom of speech/expression etc. Otherwise what's the point?
That talmudism doesn't work, because deterrents clearly work and work well.
Let the violent go ahead and die and try to do as much damage as they can, if they can. That's what we used to do in Europe. It's called enforcing the law. Eventually the criminal element is effectively bred out of the population.
Otherwise what's the point?
The point is not equality, or rights, but civilization - the passing down of our memes and genes to our sons.
If you're just going to go out and give rough treatment to pedophiles, that's one thing. But this bald bearded attention seeker is trying to play it both ways.
One can be against both pedophiles AND attention-seeking fuckwits, with no ideological conflict. If his real goal was to capture pedophiles and prevent child abuse, then he wouldn't be grandstanding on the internet while engaging in criminally chargeable behaviors.
If the guys goal is really fighting pedophiles, then he should stop committing crimes and get some kind of legal standing to do so. (Join law enforcement, create a legally sanctioned org, etc.) As it is, he's just a criminal attacking other criminals.
His personal appearance and methodology leads me to believe his primary goal is seeking attention.
Who said he committed a crime other than the cops, who BTW commit them every day. A citizen arrest is quite lawful anywhere in the US. The cops don't like competition nor do they like being embarrassed so he must have stepped on a few toes along the way.
They're still innocent, he's not disrupting due process. He's not slandering either. These are all facts. Pedophile sexts what he thinks is a 14 year old, this guy simply makes that action public. Next time ask for an NDA if you want to sext a child privately. /s
This is no where, not even in the same ballpark as the paid Donald trump and Roy Moore accusers with zero evidence for a she said he said bullshit 30 years ago.
doxing would be publishing the pedofags' information online. all this guy is doing is just saying "hey police, i found a degenerate you need to lock up"
Doxing is not illegal and thus no issue of due process.
Due process isn't about legality. Legality relates primarily to civil process.
Due process of law: Law in its regular course of administration through courts of justice. Due process of law in each particular case means such an exercise of the powers of the government as the settled maxims of law permit and sanction, and under such safeguards for the protection of individual rights as those maxims prescribe for the class of cases to which the one in question belongs. A course of legal proceedings according to those rules and principles which have been established in our systems of jurisprudence for the enforcement and protection of private rights. (Black's 5th edition).
If they feel he has defamed him its a matter of libel/slander.
Feelings don't matter here. Libel/slander is fundamentally about malicious intent, but it's typically prosecuted by the facts.
Being put on that list is considered to be a punishment by the US government.
It's only done to those who have been found guilty of something. This guy is bypassing the courts and putting all of the accused up as if they were guilty, without any real process to decide if it's correct to do so.
Not saying that the justice system is perfect, but it's a damn site better than one guy ambushing people and assuming their guilt.
A citizen can post this information, and the legal remedy is to sue for slander/libel if untrue. There is nothing illegal in the act of posting the data, and if he has the proof, he knows they cannot sue him for defamation.
Well however you want to word it. I mean what if someone was found to be innocent, they would have their lives essentially ruined in the same way that guys get their lives ruined by false rape accusers. If you're going to do that stuff then maybe blur their face out etc. You can still hand them over to police and have them arrested/ have their day in court. It's easy to say yeah just charge the guy with libel/slander but I imagine it would be near impossible to come back from being accused of pedophillia. I like what the guy is doing but I also think the police have a point and it's not just as cut and dry as the article suggests, and that it was simply due to him being supposedly more effective than the police force.
I mean what if someone was found to be innocent, they would have their lives essentially ruined in the same way that guys get their lives ruined by false rape accusers.
You bring up a good point. The media is responsible for trying to smear the POTUS without any proof.
zenpype ago
That's just plain sad
asg101 ago
So now the police are aiding and abetting pedophiles. Why am I not terribly surprised, the example was set at the very top.
BlackJaguar ago
This is a beg, but I have some potentially important new info to share and I can’t because I don’t have enough upvoats. Can anybody help a sister out please?
Shillaxe ago
Share it here in the comment section.
fancypantsmanface ago
I really don't understand how these guys manage to "catch" anyone. Surely the "no one knows you're a dog on the Internet." defence is all that's needed?
"I never thought for a second you were a twelve yeat old."
...and home they go.
Can't imagine most, if any, of these end up being prosecuted just because of they way the vigilantes try to entrap them. Bad for the actual law enforcement in all likelihood.
l_voated_today ago
Can't have people expose how ineffective the police are.
the_sharpest_knife ago
These guys should just save up and head to Thailand.
theoldones ago
if people can be arrested for publishing the identity of a person charged with a sex offense, than why is this law not applied to false rape accuastions
Diggernicks ago
This makes me sad. All those girls won't have a memorable first involuntary orgasm due to this wannabe superhero moralfag.
DrPenguin ago
He'll be fine. God will reward him
kraftykat ago
Surprised @greycloud hasn't turned up yet defending the poor innocent pedos
uvulectomy ago
Probably too busy grooming his next
prospectvictim.GIIOST ago
What? how is that illegal?
bagano1 ago
He's another kind of criminal in itself. He's not looking to actually help anyone, he wants to use this as justification to take pent-up anger and rage out on others, in some attempt to become a real life superhero. It reminds me of when reddit tried to play detective and find the Boston Marathon bombers, only to accuse a totally innocent guy of the crime and almost ruin his life.
This guy is playing with fire and will likely end up getting a massive lawsuit someday.
equilibrium ago
Peacfull islamb.
Crow_T_robocop ago
This article is biased. They do but even explain the details of his arrest. All that they mention is: " Police have now charged Warner with aggravated assault and publishing the identity of a person charged with a sex offense", which tells me Jack shit other than it sounds like he assaulted one of his suspects.
Goathole ago
"Arrested for Catching Child Predators Better than Police"
Yeah uh, not the same thing. I'm a little disapointed in the free thought project on this one. Usually they dot their i's and cross their t's. This is clickbait and from what I know of them a new low.
Edit: By Matt Agorist
C'mon Matt, you're better than this. Tell the story how it happened AND THEN explain the concept to them. tsk tsk.
DestroyerOfSaturn ago
Hope he sues the city, police force, prosectors, and all the others involved in his arrest both their official capacity and individual. Why didn't the article name the city?
R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd ago
He must have targeted a cop or a politician to prompt this kind of harassment. The cops are in on the trafficking. Until we root out the rats and moles, nothing is going to change.
Wonder_Boy ago
He should have televised it and called it "to catch a predator."
I might also note that the police are far too busy with speeders to worry about pedo crimes
ShinyVoater ago
That show was from another country(this story is from Australia)
Dateline NBC had the full cooperation of the local police; the individuals were arrested after leaving the house
Wonder_Boy ago
pedant much?
tarnished_spoons ago
Capturing actual criminals doesn't pay as well as writing tickets.
Wonder_Boy ago
Exactamundo.
181kubel ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen%27s_arrest
He needs to contact a decent local militia and i bet those officers won't protect their poli-masters.
un1ty ago
These types of people are the real heroes we need to get behind and support in whatever way we can. This guy and the red-light-camera guy that was arrested. Both are taking monies away from shitty local police forces who have grown complacent and authoritarian.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
Now that we've heard from our moral authorities... I'm unsure if this is a variation of "damning with faint praise", or something like an "appeal to a faulty authority".
Judging by the weak defense this author offers, and his avoidance of links to the actual story, I suspect he's probably overstepped his authority and committed crimes. See quote below...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5213783/Paedophile-hunter-arrested-raises-money-court-fees.html
(paedophile: wtf is this in English?)
un1ty ago
Who gives a flying shit what "folks on social media" think? Fuck em.
Who gives a flying shit what this author thinks?
Oh, well he may have some clout then. Either way, the article is to REPORT, not to bring bias. But he was charged?! Yeah, how else do you think police are going to keep him and justify arrest?
And yes, the spelling of Pedophile in British English is in fact, "Paedophile."
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5213783/Paedophile-hunter-arrested-raises-money-court-fees.html
Guy is full of shit, and shaves his head... Just because he happened to choose law enforcement and pedophiles as his target doesn't excuse his extremely biased propaganda efforts. Look at any story on that site, and you'll find the same type of bullshit.
SayTan ago
Do they really count as predators if they do not rip the child apart with their beaks and have it for snacks? What's a predator anyway? I would watch obnoxious children, that ruin date nights with whining and loud speech, get taken apart by falcons.
80 bucks last night and I couldn't even hear the thoughts inside my own head because Avalon wanted desert and daddy was mean....
I_Always_Lie ago
You date single mothers? Loser.
RevDrStrangelove ago
I can't speak for SayTan but I am personally closing in on 50. I typically date younger women but even in their 30's and 40's women already have kids. Plenty of grandkids too. A 35 year old woman that's attractive and intelligent but doesn't have at least one kid more than likely isn't a 'unicorn' - it's a giant flashing 'DANGER' sign.
So, yeah, if you're 20 and dating a single mom you're a loser. At 45, not so much.
SayTan ago
Fuck off. I am talking about the couples or single mothers or grandparents that take screaming children to where I take my dates and ruin everybody's evening. Likely even their own evening.
Read for comprehension, dickweed. Stand up and thoughts won't go over your microencephalic head.
Just HOW STUPID ARE YOU?
I_Always_Lie ago
80 bucks? You really are a loser.
SayTan ago
You would spend 25-30 bucks on a bitch you haven't fucked yet?
You just keep digging your hole, looking like more and more of a fucking moron.
What is your axe to grind here, buttercup? You want to advertise you are a moron, or are you advertising you are fucking whipped AND a moron?
Enquiring minds want to watch you keep digging this hole for yourself.
I_Always_Lie ago
On the Internet, the only holes are aholes and it looks like I found me one. Hahahahaha.
"You would spend 25-30 bucks on a bitch you haven't fucked yet? "
What a nice guy. I'm sure the "bitches" you fuck are fine, upstanding ladies, lol.
SayTan ago
So you go spend 15 bucks at mc d's for nigger pussy?
If two thirds of the bar bill is the girl, not you, you might be you is a girl.
Nice nick, btw. Probably don't even have pubes yet, other than the ones in the ziplock you bought online.
freedumbz ago
And they wonder why we have issues trusting police.
RightEdge ago
The police are just the tools... It is the "justice system" you need to point your ire at. AND, THEN SOMETIMES... it comes down to THE "good people" of the jury, as just happened in Kate Steinle's death from some illegal motherfucker. The jury let him go, did not convict him of a single thing. How is THAT the cops's fault! NOT the first time I've seen THAT sort of shit. And... then there is "the court". You think it is some entity where you get some fair and honest trial? Crooked Lawyers, Crooked Judges... Guess again. How is THAT the Cop's fault.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
No one wonders. It's because of the silly anti-cop writers and media figures. They prey on the dumb and unwary to corrupt our society from within.
SayTan ago
I actually have LEO friends, BUT: https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
freedumbz ago
So did Allen Scarsella.
SayTan ago
What did he do?
freedumbz ago
He was the channer that went to a Black Lives Matter protest in the cities to livestream, dance around, and have a good time. Some stuff happened, and 2nd time he went he got bumrushed by a horde of angry niggers. He had to fire in self defense. The jury trial that he went through was packed full of zim zam tier white guilt and convicted him despite there being very weak evidence suggesting that he went out of his way to cause trouble.
SayTan ago
If you put yourself in those situations, things often will not be on your side. Especially if something goes wrong. Discretion is the better part of valor. Going to monkey events is stupid and counter-productive.
If you set yourself up to get knocked down, you did.
freedumbz ago
Pretty much. The only thing he did wrong was show up. Breaking the law (or not) doesn't matter in what boiled down to a political witch hunt.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
Devil's advocate, but couldn't this potentially interfere with the people's due process? I mean isn't he essentially doxxing people he believes are pedophiles before they have their day in court? I understand that he would have contacted them online and they may have turned up to meet what they thought were underage people, but that's not my point. I know voat is staunchly anti-pedo, but I'm not defending pedophiles, I'm defending due process. If we let it erode for those we despise, then it simultaneously erodes for those we like as well, even though we may not witness it right away.
selpai ago
Yeah, the publicity is a potential problem. However, he's not depriving them of anything that they are constitutionally promised.
l_voated_today ago
Don't police departments frequently release the names of people arrested long before they are convicted?
Thisismyvoatusername ago
That happens in the US but I think that is fairly rare elsewhere. We also have perp walks which I don't think exist elsewhere.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
I'm not sure actually, it is possible they do. May depend on the jurisdiction.
prairie ago
In other words, this guy might screw up a case against one, preventing him from being put away.
killercanuck ago
I keep saying this to no end but many seem to miss my point. I'm not advocating that these men are nessacarily innocent or good by any means. But in all instances there's either no child involved nor is this done using a service that allows underage users for the most part. The genuine pedos are probably using more sophisticated means or only target family members. It's apparent that these tactics are only playing on internet hysteria and the desperation of the sickos involved. The guys they're busting appear quite inept at even tricking overweight desperate adult women, I really doubt there's many young children who are genuinely going for the losers on adult dating websites. They've probably got better options IRL with people in their age group. And if they happen to be using a dating site I'm certain they would be more predatory towards young alpha boys/girls who would have to meet the parents.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
You only have to look as far as PizzaGate to think that there are sophisticated rings. These people that are "catching" these types of pedos are essentially picking the low hanging fruit. Which is unfortunate when you think about the thousands of children that are being sold into sexual slavery.
Mytempacct20171001 ago
I think you are right. Hes saying he jist 'handed them over' to police. So basically he is a self appointed cop and days he is not even thoughj that is exactly what he is doing.
Hell if this is legal why not let everyone be cops woth no training or background check. Also if you simply imagine this is appropriate you could see him meeting another self appointed cop who was 'just indercover'. I suppose if he werent mak8ng citizens arrests it would be legal but that is not what the article says.
I sure would like to baot a package thief with a package with gps on my porch and then follow them and seat their house. But thats illegal because i am not a vop.
If someone is raping a child or distirbing the public peace and it is valled for, i might perform a citozens arrest
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
As far as I'm aware, if there is someone that is clearly breaking a law then it is perfectly legal to perform a citizen's arrest. But you also leave yourself open to legal action potentially, which cops wouldn't have to worry so much about as they have the departments resources to deal with all that.
Thisismyvoatusername ago
The reason cops don't run the risk isn't because of departmental resources but because of the law. They have legal immunity because they are empowered by the state and operating with its powers. There are very few instances in which a private citizen is empowered to make a citizens arrest and even fewer where they would enjoy any sort of immunity from liability for anything they did wrong while doing so.
Mytempacct20171001 ago
Thats not true at all. What state do you live in?
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
Which part isn't true? Not in the US.
Mytempacct20171001 ago
Well it would depend on the jurisdiction but in the US you can generally only perform a citizens arrest if someone is physically endangering the public.
I live in TX so here basicall6 if someone is disturbing the peace. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.14.htm
It depends on the statenin tx if you walk in on rape or a kidnapping you are presumed legally justified to use deadly force.
So for theft you can arrest someone but baiting and entrapment are different.
lissencarak ago
Look at that blue-pilled faggotry.
This meme is Jewish propaganda. Why that narrative exists is obvious if you understand what Jews are and what they strive to do. It's the idea that only the Jewish-infested court system can deliver "justice". That even the outsider, the pervert, the Jew, the violent animal have rights.
Well they don't.
And they shouldn't. And the illusion that they should must be dispensed with.
Lynching and vigilantism are both perfectly good ways to combat corrupt institutions and violent criminals. They are perfectly good ways to deliver justice, real and swift. And they worked fine for a very long time, transferring power away from centralized structures and directly into the hands of fathers and communities and volk.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
The more harsh the punishment is not correlated with reduced offending. There is pretty clear evidence of this. In fact the more harsh the punishment, the more a person is likely to do more harm. E.g. If they know they are going to be put on death row or shot anyway, then why not go all out and do as much as you can before you die? It is arguably more important to defend due process for people that we despise. SJWs like to use similar logic, in that they don't want people they perceive to be "right-wing" to have any rights. That ring-wing people shouldn't be able to have freedom of speech/thought. But the problem is when the tide turns they will be on the receiving end, so we all need to fight to have rights, whether it be due process, freedom of speech/expression etc. Otherwise what's the point?
lissencarak ago
That talmudism doesn't work, because deterrents clearly work and work well.
Let the violent go ahead and die and try to do as much damage as they can, if they can. That's what we used to do in Europe. It's called enforcing the law. Eventually the criminal element is effectively bred out of the population.
The point is not equality, or rights, but civilization - the passing down of our memes and genes to our sons.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
Also assaulting a couple of them, according to the charges. That's an anti-cop site, so take their claims and lack of links with a grain of assault.
DeputySprinkles ago
“Assault” is a very generic term. It can be anything from an unwanted touch to spittle that landed on someone during a screaming match.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
If you're just going to go out and give rough treatment to pedophiles, that's one thing. But this bald bearded attention seeker is trying to play it both ways.
One can be against both pedophiles AND attention-seeking fuckwits, with no ideological conflict. If his real goal was to capture pedophiles and prevent child abuse, then he wouldn't be grandstanding on the internet while engaging in criminally chargeable behaviors.
BlowjaySimpson ago
I fucking guarantee that just means the pedos put up a fight. Cops should be ashamed of themselves.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
If the guys goal is really fighting pedophiles, then he should stop committing crimes and get some kind of legal standing to do so. (Join law enforcement, create a legally sanctioned org, etc.) As it is, he's just a criminal attacking other criminals.
His personal appearance and methodology leads me to believe his primary goal is seeking attention.
edistojim ago
Who said he committed a crime other than the cops, who BTW commit them every day. A citizen arrest is quite lawful anywhere in the US. The cops don't like competition nor do they like being embarrassed so he must have stepped on a few toes along the way.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
I suspect you haven't read many law books.
Cite and quote the statute. Then briefly explain the permissible use of force during a citizens arrest in any state you choose.
SayTan ago
The new theory seems to be "innocent, unless accused by anybody".
Nprpropaganda ago
They're still innocent, he's not disrupting due process. He's not slandering either. These are all facts. Pedophile sexts what he thinks is a 14 year old, this guy simply makes that action public. Next time ask for an NDA if you want to sext a child privately. /s
This is no where, not even in the same ballpark as the paid Donald trump and Roy Moore accusers with zero evidence for a she said he said bullshit 30 years ago.
chuckletrousers ago
It makes the cops look bad
InfoTeddy ago
doxing would be publishing the pedofags' information online. all this guy is doing is just saying "hey police, i found a degenerate you need to lock up"
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
The article states that he did publish the info.
BlowjaySimpson ago
The pedo was already a registered sex offender. Identity was already public.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
In that case it's okay, but that wasn't really my point.
InfoTeddy ago
holy shit im retarded
time to kill myself
firex726 ago
Doxing is not illegal and thus no issue of due process. If they feel he has defamed him its a matter of libel/slander.
Random101 ago
Due process isn't about legality. Legality relates primarily to civil process.
Due process of law: Law in its regular course of administration through courts of justice. Due process of law in each particular case means such an exercise of the powers of the government as the settled maxims of law permit and sanction, and under such safeguards for the protection of individual rights as those maxims prescribe for the class of cases to which the one in question belongs. A course of legal proceedings according to those rules and principles which have been established in our systems of jurisprudence for the enforcement and protection of private rights. (Black's 5th edition).
Feelings don't matter here. Libel/slander is fundamentally about malicious intent, but it's typically prosecuted by the facts.
BlowjaySimpson ago
Police criticized him for exposing the identity of a sex offender, but I thought that is the fucking purpose of THE SEX OFFENDERS REGISTRY.
ShinyVoater ago
This guy was operating in 'Stralia. I'm not sure of the exact situation with that guy, but their land, their rules.
DiscontentedMajority ago
Being put on that list is considered to be a punishment by the US government.
It's only done to those who have been found guilty of something. This guy is bypassing the courts and putting all of the accused up as if they were guilty, without any real process to decide if it's correct to do so.
Not saying that the justice system is perfect, but it's a damn site better than one guy ambushing people and assuming their guilt.
reasonedandinformed ago
A citizen can post this information, and the legal remedy is to sue for slander/libel if untrue. There is nothing illegal in the act of posting the data, and if he has the proof, he knows they cannot sue him for defamation.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
Well however you want to word it. I mean what if someone was found to be innocent, they would have their lives essentially ruined in the same way that guys get their lives ruined by false rape accusers. If you're going to do that stuff then maybe blur their face out etc. You can still hand them over to police and have them arrested/ have their day in court. It's easy to say yeah just charge the guy with libel/slander but I imagine it would be near impossible to come back from being accused of pedophillia. I like what the guy is doing but I also think the police have a point and it's not just as cut and dry as the article suggests, and that it was simply due to him being supposedly more effective than the police force.
BlowjaySimpson ago
If he grooms kids online and shows up to fuck one, that isn't erosion of due process. Don't be a fucking retard.
Thisismyvoatusername ago
You are assuming anyone he posts was truly grooming kids online and showing up to fuck them. What makes you so confident in this guy?
GizaDog ago
You bring up a good point. The media is responsible for trying to smear the POTUS without any proof.
fortuitouslyunfallen ago
Exactly.
Dylan_Klebold ago
"you are catching pedos? You need to be arrested!"
fuck_reddits_feefees ago
Made the pedo-Jews nervous. "oy vey, shut it down!"
Muh-Shugana ago
Well we know by now that pedophilia is an enormous international phenomenon as well as a thriving business and a popular hobby as well.
Why wouldn't the police protect these normal every-day child rapers from this strange and deranged stalker and criminal?
(goods news is that despite this set-back, a shit-ton of big pedo leaders are being taken down almost every day so I wouldn't worry too much)
Maroonsaint ago
Yea you're completely disregarding the positives. Like banging your fine ass teacher and becoming popular if you weren't already.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
He's charged with committing several crimes, if you read the story on a credible site. Don't make yourself the tool of a writer with an agenda.
ThorTheWonderful ago
Goto let the police handle internal issues them selves, those judges and school teachers need protection from these savage vigilante's.
Maroonsaint ago
My favorite phrase "internal investigation"
ThorTheWonderful ago
I wonder who downvoated me, could it be a judge, cop or a teacher... I thought my comment was both honest and funny, don't you think?
Maroonsaint ago
No I don't think. I don't think about anything.
lordbeatlejuicethe1 ago
he should.kill the pedos and any pig that tries to stop him
toobaditworks ago
If we killed all the pedo's then who would run the government? You gotta think things through man.
lordbeatlejuicethe1 ago
good thinking pedos brought freedom to the indians