I’ve banned all Sane alts (while leaving the main account alone) for spamming. If Sane (or his group) wants to post on Voat, they can do so without using alts to hide behind, thus preventing their main accounts from being downvoted and thus restricted. I am done letting this group stomp all over Voat unfettered* like a spoiled toddler and pushing me to enact draconian rules to prevent them from doing so.
Don’t for a second be fooled at the motivations this group has for Voat, they seek not to help. They seek only to force censorship, drive away users, and ultimately destroy Voat while ruining Voat’s commitment to Freedom of Speech. I will not let them win.
They setup an unwinnable situation for Voat, and no matter Voat’s action, they can claim a victory.
If Voat bans them, they claim censorship. If Voat does nothing, reasonable users depart. Regardless of the action, a user subset will be infuriated, and this is entirely the purpose, divide and conquer. We all need to recognize exactly what is happening here. This isn’t about a single user, this is about an organized effort.
If you ever wondered why Reddit has so many private and obfuscated areas in code, fuzzed counters, shadow bans, etc.? It is to stop groups like this. The problem is, as you all know, once this code is implemented it can be used for both good and evil. I choose not to use the little time available on such things, and will instead ban users who engage in Amalek/ManHood101 style spamming in order to maliciously claim censorship later.
A user is free to say whatever they wish, but if they resort to using alt accounts in order to circumvent the protections we do have, these alt accounts will be banned for spamming.
I’m also pulling Sane off v/TIL and v/ReportShills and moving both to @system. Both these subs were transferred to “him” and “he” has not been a good steward. What a joke. Enough of this as well.
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LlamaMan ago
Sweet. Thank you, getting kind of sick of him. @noobftw is next methinks.
noobftw ago
And what rule have I violated?
Go ahead and point to it. I'll wait. You're welcome to come over to /v/Chicago and post if you're not 1) Posting about crime, which belongs elsewhere, 2) Not brigading, 3) Not in the sub for the sole purpose of being a general dick.
MrPim ago
Why is crime in any city not relevant to that cities sub?
noobftw ago
It is relevant, and that is why there is a whole subverse dedicated to it. /v/ChicagoCrime.
We remove it from the sub for the same reason /v/Videos has chosen to remove porn (isn't porn a video?) from /v/Videos. If we allow it, then the sub becomes nothing but that. So a whole sub has been dedicated just for that purpose. When I can post videos of porn and gore to /v/videos, then we'll remove the rule forbidding Chicago Crime in /v/Chicago/
MrPim ago
Porn make Videos a NSFW sub. Moving crime stories has no function other than to hide stories you dont like.
Tetromino ago
It's a tried and true shill tactic, forcing commentary they don't like to other subs is called "containment".
Same goes for the "free speech zone" at some colleges, where you're not allowed to exercise 1st amendment rights except in a dedicated zone. Otherwise you risk hurting their groupthink and violating their "safe spaces".
MrPim ago
Yeah i know. But he has no way of justifying it beyond that containment. And his comparison to Videos makes this clear. They have a valid reason and he has none.
Tetromino ago
agreed. Porn isn't a narrative, it's a type of content. Not really containment to differentiate on that level. But the Chicago shit going down now is trying to take a topic and apply arbitrary discrimination to views to push a political goal, to contain the truth of the situation while allowing the stuff that is "on-message". Protip: This is the true meaning of "politically correct", censorship in the name of pushing a narrative.
Now, news is a legit subcategory. So, one could say, "any news about chicago goes in the ChicagoNews sub". However, then you wouldn't be able to selectively censor certain type of news in order to push a narrative. Additionally it would be blatantly obvious that removing news from v/Chicago is assinine, as news about Chicago is relevant to Chicago. Containment is a form of Divide and Conquer. The key thing is to note what narrative is being maintained by the containment or censorship. For example, it would make no sense to branch off v/ChicagoDogs and say no dog posts in v/Chicago, because that's not pushing a narrative (unless the place was overrun by stray dogs and there were pro-dog-immigration groups denying the harm of living among roving packs of rabid leg humpers).