Read CONTEXT at end of post
Currently Voat’s "Private" subverse feature is primarily used to allow subs to disassociate their posts from v/all, all content is still public in every sense other than this. This isn’t really private, it’s more like a hidden setting.
For internal reasons Voat needs to implement a private subverse feature in which only approved people have access to the subverse content (pro tip: a lot of features we work on and end up offering were/are primarily developed for internal reasons like the upcoming Vote and Packages features).
Before we start any work on this feature, I want to discuss how to develop this feature and get your feedback and concerns.
As I see it, we have the classic concept of Private in which only approved people (members) can access subverse content. The only question is one of implementation: what controls access to subverse: subscriptions or moderator privileges? If we use subscriptions, we will have to modify the process so that moderators can approve a subscription request, otherwise the moderator feature would suffice. If we use a moderator approach, other users can see who is part of the private subverse which is good for transparency. Pros/cons to both approaches.
Some concerns I see:
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Should we have different "Private" settings like a ReadOnly
differentiation so that a subverse can choose to display content to non-members but not allow non-members to submit posts/comments i.e. a read only approach?
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What if a subverse is private and a new subscriber is added, should this new member have full access to subverse content or should all content submitted before they were added be inaccessible to them? In other words, only content submitted after a user became a member is visible to them. This concern is to allow existing members to be reassured their prior content is protected.
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Should private subverse content show up in front-page/sets or should the subverse content only be accessible via navigating to the subverse itself?
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Should pings be dropped when the target user isn’t a member?
There are probably other considerations I haven’t thought about, so let me know your thoughts.
CONTEXT
As with any change, we are all looking at the potential for abuse (which I see), so I want to give everyone a context of where this comes from so you can see the intentions involved with the thought.
I want to setup a corporate Voat instance for business related concerns that will be accessible by all Voat employees and members of the community that are involved with the operations of Voat (this is called dogfooding in the software world). In this instance I'd like to have a subverse about Finances that is restricted to only company executives, as well as a Legal subverse accessible to legal council, etc.
In these scenarios, private subverses are needed as a Voat developer or community manager wouldn't need access to this "sensitive" content.
I think it's important to note where this idea stems from and that this idea was never one of ill intention (i.e. This is the end of Voat!). This is why I mentioned "internal" above.
As always, we are just getting feedback here, let's try to look for solutions to the concerns rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Edit
Consensus is in: Voat loves this idea... Pause... Pause... Not. ;)
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truthwoke33 ago
What are your plans to mitigate user abuse e.g. creating a secret CP sub or a harassment sub?
PuttItOut ago
This is a very good point. Every feature we dev has a negative side to it, and what you mention is one.
Maybe some way to counter/offset this perhaps?
truthwoke33 ago
And as expected, you give non answers to softball questions.
Why are you using resources on a feature that nobody requested? How does this benefit users?
PuttItOut ago
And you speak for everyone? You are one person and I take what you say as such. Back off with the absolutes and I'll take you seriously.
I said "internal" reasons earlier.
daskapitalist ago
I dont know why people are freaking out over the proposal of dogfooding by using Voat for internal collaboration instead of email.
Plenty have provided feedback that there would be unintended/undesirable consequences, but that's no conspiracy. Just valuable feedback.
CameraCode ago
He speaks for me.
PuttItOut ago
Found the alt! jk
SaveTheChildren ago
Youre a dumb tranny everyone hates your dumb idea but youll do it anyways because trannies are horrible people
lukynumbrkevin ago
What are the "internal" reasons for creating this feature?
daskapitalist ago
Dogfooding is an extremely common business practice in tech companies.
SaveTheChildren ago
Internal means... putt is gonna do it anyways so shut up you dumb plebs. Right @puttitout ?
PuttItOut ago
No, not really. I post these kinds of topics primarily to see what the negatives are as I often don't see the entire picture without feedback.
It's a tranny thing ;)
jollux ago
Nice deflection. You still haven't answered the question.
137 ago
Winkey face! So cute. Bet your t rex arms are even cuter
BaldMiscreant ago
Wait, what?
PuttItOut ago
Just tranny things ;)
STC thinks I'm a tranny
lord_nougat ago
He likes to think that everyone is a tranny. It's his fetish.
PuttItOut ago
It's the machine gun tactic, eventually you'll hit the target.
Gottmituns ago
Yeahn but he thinks actual trannys aren't trannys.
BaldMiscreant ago
Ah.
NNdmt ago
that is the real question here. What possible reasons do you have for needing a private subverse for internal use? If its for testing, that shouldn't be done on the production server in the first place
The_Raven ago
And where no one can hear you ping. This worries me because we already know certain mods are brigadier gangs. Private subs would only make them stronger and more malicious.
Der_Untergang ago
I mean you could answer the question.
BaldMiscreant ago
Sounds like he wants a dev sub that you can't gawk at.
jollux ago
If it were just that, wouldn't he say it? We would all be just fine with that.
daskapitalist ago
Because the feature can be developed multiple ways and have other applications than just internal collaboration.
truthwoke33 ago
Ok, I respectfully ask what, in your opinion, the benefit of private subs is to the user base of voat. I'm on the website very frequently, including site subs so honestly, yes I'm pretty confident in saying that a very small minority may be requesting such a feature. Thanks for your reply.
Though, to be honest, I don't trust anyone who has mystery investors. I just can't, it doesn't make sense from a business perspective.
CameraCode ago
Exactly, if this feature is never going to reach us, why ask our opinion on it? private subs will do nothing but lower the quality of Voat and upset the userbase if given to users.
cthulian_axioms ago
I don't want to put words in Putt's mouth, but from where I'm sitting it looks like he's holding himself to the same standard he would hold other website admins. Transparency, even over seemingly trivial things, is something we should expect of any leader, even one as fearless as Putt.
BaldMiscreant ago
It could have uses with families, game developers, prepper groups, militias, etc that don't want their conversations to be public. We can't rely on anything outside of in person contact for that without five governments knowing what your favorite color is.
downton-stabby ago
Internet is anything but private, and never will be. Any attempt to do so is just an illusion.
PuttItOut ago
Added some context to the post to address where the idea stems from.
I can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree with everything you said. To build on your thoughts... The Vote feature that will soon be released will be restricted heavily, and I can see the same course of action if we develop out Private subs.
truthwoke33 ago
I will say I'm glad to hear you've been working on improving the vote system and I'm interested in seeing what you release.