King_Leopold_II ago

Nice write up. On a side note, what is with England's fascination with bullpups? I'm not a gun expert by any means, but wouldn't it make sense to just have guns suited to close indoor fights?

clamhurt_legbeard ago

not just england but the world in general got bullpup crazy for a couple decades

england was just early to the fad

because of their compact nature bullpups can be better than a conventional layout for indoors and troops dismounting from vehicles

but they have other difficulties with fire control

malfunction clearance

and ambidextrous use

so its kind of a toss up

King_Leopold_II ago

be better than a conventional layout for indoors

This is what I don't get. Why not just design a gun for close quarter combat. I understand there may be situations where you switch between close and long range, but by and large don't you usually know what you're getting into?

clamhurt_legbeard ago

bullpups are shorter in overall length for the same barrel length

a conventional layout will always have a shorter barrel for the same overall length

Patriotic-Canadian ago

I had one in the Canadian Forces back in the stone age.

I wouldn't want anything else.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

fuck yaaaaaa

some day ill find one

so cool

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Rellik88 ago

Excellent post sir!

clamhurt_legbeard ago

thx dude

glad you liked it

pew pew

ExpertShitposter ago

That's real fuckin' NeATO

clamhurt_legbeard ago

hell ya

nice hk you got there hmmmm

clamhurt_legbeard ago

roller delay

imma give a hard no on that

i might have to do an article on the g3 just to explain why

ExpertShitposter ago

aka ancient kraut space magic

freedumbz ago

Neat

GassyMcGasface ago

What about the L1A1?

clamhurt_legbeard ago

inch pattern baby

do you have one

Battlefat ago

Your stuff is always golden. Looking forward to the next installment

clamhurt_legbeard ago

aw thanks

i need to start thinking what should be next

hmmmmmm

Nadeshda ago

Thank you so much for adding the submission links!!!

I am totally enjoying this series. I really appreciate the history involved, the specs, the uniqueness and the scope of knowledge you have. I am soo happy you are here sharing ALL of this with us!

Really, really... BIG thanks!

clamhurt_legbeard ago

ya it was a good idea

im having fun lol

frankenglock ago

I used to have an imported British version, the L1A1 (with a stupid thumbhole stock) back in the 90's. The L1A1's were nice because they retained the folding charging handle and the ability to use inch or metric magazines. At first magazines were rather expensive, so having the ability to reliably use either was great. Eventually they were almost giving magazines away.

It was imported by the infamous CAI, but I seemed to have gotten a good one because it functioned reliably and the open sights were very consistent, giving me 6" groups at 300 yards. It was actually very ergonomic, even thought it looked bulky. It wasn't, it was actually rather thin and well balanced for the way it looked, and takedown and cleaning was really easy.

The problems I had with it were the action top cover would not allow a scope to be mounted without getting some special pieces, which back in the 90's were hard to get. It seems like all the FN FAL's I see today have scopes. I could not get mine to keep a zero with any of the mounts or scopes available back then.

The USA really missed out by not adopting the FAL. I think it was never popular in the US because, unfortunately, it wasn't in any big blockbuster action movies and never got any screen time or exposure. The only movie that I can remember the FN FAL being in was "The Wild Geese".

I eventually sold the FAL to fund the purchase of what was soon to be several DPMS .308 rifles in various barrel lengths and stock setups. Not having to deal with the imported rifle bullshit regulations with the thumbhole stocks and imported parts (since domestic FAL parts were still unicorn farts in the early 2000's) were nonexistent. The DPMS pattern .308 rifles shared the same trigger parts, grips, stocks, etc as their smaller cousins the AR-15.

Nadeshda ago

domestic FAL parts were still unicorn farts in the early 2000’s

:) that made me smile, thank you for sharing this with us.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

the open sights were very consistent, giving me 6" groups at 300 yards.

u/nadeshda you see this

.308 at 300 yds still has enough power to blow open a head like a watermelon

I could not get mine to keep a zero with any of the mounts or scopes available back then.

top covers not designed to do anything but keep dust out and parts in

same as on the ak and sks

it can be done but only with modifications

.308 ar is a good system especially in america

when i get around to buying a semi auto .308 id like to get a keltec rfb

but the fal will always have it beat for its history

frankenglock ago

I agree 100%, with every point.

I would love to shoot an RFB, but they are almost impossible to find locally, and I'm not going to pay over MSRP just to try one.

Since I have other AR's, the semi .308 DPMS were a good deal for spare parts, the same ergonomics, and troubleshooting is the same since they are both DI.

But yeah, every time someone brings up the FAL in a post or casual conversation, I remember back to my L1A1 and how much fun it was to shoot.

Most people at the range had no idea what it was, but many of the old-timers respected that it was .308, even if it didn't have a single bit of wood on it. I remember a couple of them saying that it would be nice in walnut. I would tell them yes, but because of the import regulations, I could not do that without replacing several other parts with American made parts, which weren't available at the time. I had a set of black plastic handguards that I spray painted with a black, sand paper like paint that was very easy to keep your hands on.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

i actually found an rfb in a gun store

it was surprisingly heavy but compact

Nadeshda ago

I clocked it ;)

oftotc ago

I think I shall refer to you as Professor from now on. Pretty amazing write up and (even with your shitty grammar) easily understood by us regular ol' rifle peons.
Seriously sis - thanks for being on voat instead of somewhere I'd never experience your amazing mind :-)

clamhurt_legbeard ago

i did my monk training with the real experts

this is my third writeup

check out my posts on the mosin nagant

and sks

Nadeshda ago

Yeah you should probably put a link in the bottom of your submission linking to the previous write-up. They really are soo good!

clamhurt_legbeard ago

ya

i did that last time

i should start

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Nadeshda ago

What’s the range on this baby?

drakesdoom2 ago

How much angle is on your scope?

clamhurt_legbeard ago

oh hell

.308 is a pretty accurate round

snipers use it to 800 m

the limit on the standard rifle would be the riflemans ability to hit at range

no bipod or scope limits you

but 500 600 m if youre good

Nadeshda ago

I saw a clip where they stopped a van/truck from a helicopter. It’s pretty good when in the right hands it seems...

clamhurt_legbeard ago

.308 will punch through a lot of cover

its a powerful round

if you dont have armor youre in trouble

thedirtypuma ago

A fine read as always. Thank you.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

glad you liked it!

Nadeshda ago

Woah awesomely unique and so much detail of the history! Freagin excellent! I genuinely learnt so much here! Light and pretty darn potent! Very nice, so is there any reason why you don’t own one yet?

clamhurt_legbeard ago

simply because they were less available by the time i started buying guns

ill get a semiauto .308 at some point

maybe an fal maybe not

ill talk about another rifle in the future

similar but different to this

that i might buy instead

thedirtypuma ago

My guess would be $$. They go for around $1500 +

Nadeshda ago

Wooo what a ticket but such a symbol of history though...

clamhurt_legbeard ago

they are arent they

they were a little before my time and ive been snatching up other hot deals instead of dwindling fals

drakesdoom2 ago

FAL VS M14

GO!!!

ExpertShitposter ago

FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

clamhurt_legbeard ago

lol

i can do m14 next

personally i think the fal is cooler

pistol grip is nice

and with m14 the choice is full size or m1a

and the barrel length on the m1a is too short for .308

18 inches is most efficient

but thats just me

drakesdoom2 ago

They have 18 inch, I have one. They also have 16 1/4 and 22.

They also have 6.5 creedmore. Not sure why. It isn't different enough to matter.

They have a pistol grip and adjustable stock, but only with 16.25" barrel from factory. They also have an adjustable stock for target shooting.

That's just from Springfield there is other shit out there too.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

nice

18 is where its at

i hadnt seen that before

drakesdoom2 ago

It's loud. It's the rifle where after the first shot the whole range steps back and looks over.

clamhurt_legbeard ago

hahaha

i got me a mosin carbine

i know what you mean

lord_nougat ago

I had one of those. It was a fireball monster at dusk!

clamhurt_legbeard ago

hell ya

the event would definitely know where you are lol