Yes.

One of the more interesting theories. But would Huawei have the connexions to pull off such a scam to protect their commercial interests. Easier to move to a different spectrum, surely. But if they have bought the problematic spectrum, perhaps they would accept the deaths to save their empire.

Incomplete thought...

I didn't look it up, I just know because I'm naturally smarter and more talented than you are.

Take Australia as an example. 4100 cases and 18 dead. its hot as fuck in Australia until winter hits in June. These 4100 are positive for something and its defiitely not out-of-season, seasonal flu. Its not a placebo as somethings testing positive.

My theory is that weird flu like illness everyone seemed to get back in December/Jan - including here in summertime Aus and NZ. Covid 19 test kits return positive for anyone who had the thay random illness prior

''Hospitals have loading bays where they accept semi trucks and other trucks, they don't just offload and load stuff on the street. IF this video was legit, it would not have been staged like this, and additionally, that's not a reefer truck, that's a normal semi. The actual reefer trucks New York uses are white on the inside. The trucks HAVE TO be refrigerated (reefer) to haul dead bodies, without exception. New York has over 50 trucks dedicated to moving dead bodies because New york, an average of 421 people die per day.''

CONCLUSION: The actual trucks used for removing bodies from hospitals do it in a loading bay, not the street. THEREFORE, this is a staged hoax, and if the virus was real they would not do it this way, they would obviously just roll it right into the truck off of a loading dock rather than risk themselves trying to hoist something that could actually infect them up into a truck, out on the street.This is such bullshit it is as if a high school civics class in a below average area was dreaming up ways to "fool the public". You NEVER see hospitals loading bodies into trucks right out on the street, WTF IS THIS??!!??> http://82.221.129.208/.zapper.html

Not sure what to believe anymore. Unsettling for sure.

Then all of us who are trying to do the right thing fell for it. It doesn't make us bad. Whoever started this sh*t needs to burn in hell.

So many moving pieces and cannot tell what is fake and what is real anymore. I do think COVID was used to hype out of proportion - like hurricanes. The press likes to fear monger. How many hurricanes do not live up to the hype the press makes them into. But, I do fear a Katrina event. But, then again, was that all fake too? Speaking as a confused medical professional.

Thank you for your kind response. I can't say that about the others who decided to rip me to shreds. I am not saying that this is not a much bigger operation than what it appears from my perspective. Dealing with issues of life and death can make things myopic. But these are real issues and people are getting sick. We know from clinical presentation that something is different. We do not rely solely on lab tests. It all works together. I hear from colleagues about the severity of some of their cases. But, it is not in mass like the news is hyping it up. The breakouts are spotty and some people could come to the conclusion that nothing is happening. I know that they never let a crisis go to waste and a real event can be twisted into something much worse. There is a lot of craziness out there and things are changing on a daily basis. I admit that. Anything is possible and it is hard to believe anything. You gave me much to think on and I appreciate your kindness. The boards can be brutal but I have been in much tougher places than here.

Pandemic bonds? Make it simple, please.

They see the increasing numbers of actual sick people crowding the facilities where they work.

Upvoated for anything except the unnecessary first sentence.

I think the poster is writing from personal experience within the healthcare field. When you think about it, do you know how hard it would be to actually fake something like this? The poster is right, virtually everyone in the healthcare field worldwide would have to be in on it. It isn't the tests, it's the increasing number of sick and dying in a short period of time.

I want to say first that I apologize for what sounded like an outburst. I work in health care and we are fighting hard. Although some areas are fighting the battle harder than where I am located, we are all taking this very seriously. If the reports are true that this is a weaponized Coronavirus, there still may be some unknowns we have yet to deal with. We cannot afford to manage this outbreak any other way than what we have been doing because we do not get a do-over if we are wrong.

Anyone who has become extremely ill from a SARS type respiratory infection when they recover can sometimes have very debilitating after effects from the infection. This is documented from previous outbreaks of SARS and MERS. In addition, the information we have been receiving is telling us that this infection can be spread in the absence of symptoms unlike normal influenza and the common cold which are spread at the beginning of infection – usually a couple of days. COVID-19 seems to be different in that a person can spread the virus prior to becoming sick. Until we have proof that this is not the case, we have to operate given the information we have at this time.

With regard to the first article cited:

“The following is from a medical forum. The writer, who is a widely respected professional scientist in the US, prefers to stay anonymous”

Okay, so this is one person’s opinion and everyone is entitled to an opinion but they are giving us nothing more than that opinion.

“The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.”

True, but that does not mean these patients are sick from influenza or the common cold. We are seeing cytokine storms in patients who are extremely ill unlike normal strains of influenza. Any respiratory viral infection is going to have worse outcomes in patients, who are older, have weakened immune systems, or comorbidity factors.

Some of the symptoms of COVID-19 and Influenza are the same but there are some symptoms that are slightly different. As time goes on we are learning more about what those differences are. Here is one for you. Some of the patients report a loss in taste and smell prior to becoming really sick. That doesn’t happen with the flu or a cold. Those symptoms develop sometimes after a person becomes sick. These differences allow us to come to a clinical diagnosis along with laboratory testing. This is what medical diagnosis is based on.

“We are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus, not specifically for COVID-19”

Incorrect. The test kits are testing specifically for SARS-CoV-2 which is the Coronavirus responsible for COVID-19. Some of the kits first developed were faulty, but those problems have been corrected. (There could have possibly been some funny business going on there, I will admit.)

“The CDC has developed a new laboratory test kit for use in testing patient specimens for severe acute respiratory syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes COVID-19. The test kit is called the “Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time Reverse Transcriptase (RT)-PCR Diagnostic Panel.”

Also in development is a serological test.

“The serology test will look for the presence of antibodies, which are specific proteins made in response to infections. Antibodies can be found in the blood and in other tissues of those who are tested after infection. The antibodies detected by this test indicate that a person had an immune response to SARS-CoV-2, whether symptoms developed from infection or the infection was asymptomatic. Antibody test results are important in detecting infections with few or no symptoms.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/testing.html

The writer of the article does not put much faith in either PCR or serological testing as a means for detecting the presence of pathogenic microorganisms. Check for viral load may be useful but transmission is of more concern.

SARS-CoV-2 Viral Load in Upper Respiratory Specimens of Infected Patients

“These findings are in concordance with reports that transmission may occur early in the course of infection and suggest that case detection and isolation may require strategies different from those required for the control of SARS-CoV. How SARS-CoV-2 viral load correlates with culturable virus needs to be determined. Identification of patients with few or no symptoms and with modest levels of detectable viral RNA in the oropharynx for at least 5 days suggests that we need better data to determine transmission dynamics and inform our screening practices.”

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2001737

RNA viruses have RNA for their nucleic acid – not DNA.

The first challenge of sequencing a Coronavirus genome is that it's made of RNA rather than DNA. Most of our tools for working with nucleic acids are specific to DNA. Fortunately, we've discovered an enzyme called "reverse transcriptase" that takes RNA and makes a DNA copy of it—transcription is the copying of DNA into RNA; this enzyme does the opposite, hence the name. (Reverse transcriptase was first identified in other RNA viruses that need to be copied into DNA as part of infection.) Using reverse transcriptase, researchers were able to make DNA copies of parts of 2019-nCoV as a first step to studying its genome.

“But reverse transcription of samples from infected individuals would simply create a mess of DNA fragments from everything present: the patient's own cells, harmless bacteria, and so on. Fortunately, DNA sequencing and analysis techniques have become so advanced that it's now possible to just sequence the whole mess, irrelevant stuff and all, and let computers sort out what's present. Software is able to take what we know about the average Coronavirus genome and identify all of the fragments of sequence that look like they came from a Coronavirus. Other software can determine how all these fragments overlap and then stitch them together, producing a near-complete Coronavirus genome.

To make a diagnostic test specific to 2019-nCoV, researchers had to look for areas of its genome that don't change rapidly over Coronavirus evolution but have changed enough in this branch of the family that they can be viewed as its distinctive signature. Those sequences can be used to design a means of amplifying a piece of the 2019-nCoV genome using a technique called the polymerase chain reaction, or PCR.”

For more information on the process read: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/how-does-one-test-for-coronavirus-anyway/

Multiplex Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) detection offers a highly sensitive and specific method of respiratory virus detection and is quickly replacing culture and DFA as the gold standard. In addition to sensitivity and specificity, benefits of multiplex PCR testing include the ability to obtain the results in hours and demonstrated ability to detect more than one viral infection (co-infection) in a patient specimen. Emerging evidence suggests patients with viral co-infections have increased disease severity and more complex clinical management. The ability to know whether there are coinfections to deal with is valuable in treatment planning. A viral load test will not give you that information.

And for the second article cited the statement is made by a software and telecommunications engineer that “Furthermore, there is no proof that a virus causes disease.”

Tell that to someone who is infected with HIV or any of the flavors of Hepatitis. Once again, this is just an opinion.

Both of the articles provided much in opinion and very little in factual evidence. So, until someone can show some hard evidence that what we are doing is wrong and that we are treating the flu, we will continue to take this seriously to protect the public. There is much more I could post here, but I will leave it at this.

Yes but the numbers of the flu are much higher than the alleged CoV numbers, even regarding the deaths.

They did the same trick with Ebola. Where the Ebola cases rised, the Malaria cases dereased by the same amount. It's just trick, done by changing the labels.

And the tests don't test for a "coronavirus", they test for a randomly chosen sequence that not even necessarily stems from any virus. Read the linked analysis ("needtoknow") you wise person.

A person can have flu AND a coronavirus. In fact, almost all do.

Yes, I'm curious what went wrong. Did God and his angels intervene to lessen the potency of the virus? Did the fact that 21 vials of the virus didn't get smuggled to China as planned stop the rapid spread which would have overtaxed our hospitals ability to care for the worse cases as a result of lack of ventilators? Did Trump closing off the borders and flights help prevent a catastrophe? The answer is probably all of the above.

good luck to you, hope you dont live in Downtown LA or NY.

time will tell.

the virus has "Gain of Function technology" by design, gain of function is a scientific process done in a lab. it is a super spreader, it is a SARS (known to be lab made) cousin and it destroys the lungs.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-19-covid-19-coronavirus-found-to-contain-gain-of-function-for-efficient-spreading-human-population.html

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528

watch Francis Boyle, lots of his research on Y tub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET2G8GYD0Y

Buzzfeed news reporting. This just in frogs aren't gay and you're a homophobe you white bigot. And now for your lead story the Coronavirus is real tell your wife's boyfriend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV8pF-HDwJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET2G8GYD0Y

Francis Boyle look him up.

”I don’t know”

You should have led with that.

Very interesting. Knew there was a 5G link in Wuhan. There are several moving pieces here. Not quite sure what to believe anymore except God. What other hope do we have?

video edited. right when that guy trues to talk at 7 min ... they slowed it down.. took something out

And some browsers do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39S1kf2Jgrc&feature=youtu.be

Exactly. This is a changing of the guard, checking all the boxes we have been warning about for years. Anyone who thinks they can just sit back, do nothing, trust the plan, and their government will save the day (literally never happened ever in all of recorded history), well i don't even know what to say. The Q pill has been tremendously successful keeping our boomers docile

Except for Fauci's love letters to HRC (3 od them, I think, published on Wikileaks) and his comment in early 2017 that Trump would most likely encounter a deadly wide-spread virus during his presidency. Which sounds to me like he could have been on the team creating the plan.

You're reasoning is flawed. Your reason for why you don't think they're DS: "they seem like genuine people, i don't care about pics." You said: The head of WHO is DS. What if someone said "The head of WHO seems like a genuine person, i don't care about his pics with the Chinese." Do you think that's logical? Your reasoning skills are very low. You should re-think your position and stop going off by feelings.

He was also a prominent member in a communist organisation which instigated a coup in Ethiopia, and blatantly lied about a cholera outbreak there in the 1990s.