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followthemoney ago

Only after she is mad about her criminal history showing up. Nothing was being done before that.

sguevar ago

Well at this point I am glad to see that it happened and that u/Crensch's doxx team has been taken down and with that @Puttitout showed Voat as well that what u/Crensch did was in the wrong.

I am happy that justice was served where it needed to be served, equally.

Crensch ago

as well that what u/Crensch did was in the wrong.

And somehow, I'm still here.

Which means I didn't do anything wrong.

Kek.

sguevar ago

Mmm. So by that logic u/WhiteRonin either. Am I correct?

Crensch ago

Kek. Not at all. Dude posted dox info all over the place. Kev's the one that leaked it all.

But please, keep equating me to them. I'm sure it helps you feel better about all the dishonesty you've shown in the past month and a half.

sguevar ago

Kev's the one that leaked it all

This is an assumption you are throwing out there but without real proof of it. And it is one you are hanging with because of the fact that it convenes your constant search for attacking v/ProtectVoat which failed quite poorly to say the least.

But please, keep equating me to them.

I don't equate you to them, they didn't organized a doxx party like you did with alts. Nor tried to defend any doxx attempt at all. I mean u/WhiteRonin spread multiple links to something that I made sure to report myself from which other users got banned for what they did in the anon sub. But he never defended doxxing anyone.

Neither u/kevdude.

The only one on record that I have seen defending doxxing attempts on Voat was you u/Crensch on this post of yours: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3274898.

But please, keep equating me to them. I'm sure it helps you feel better about all the dishonesty you've shown in the past month and a half.

Sure I have been the dishonest one, that is why your attacks against have failed so badly... I was the dishonest one. I was the one betraying my principles and beliefs to attack my counter parts. I was the one defending doxxers all along... You can keep diverting my dear typhoon but you are nothing more than a whistle now...

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WhiteRonin ago

@puttitout what say you?

I do disagree with @sguevar’s assessment about myself nor about his assessment of Crensch.

kestrel9 ago

regarding "Kev's the one that leaked it all" you replied:

This is an assumption you are throwing out there but without real proof of it.

How do you know that to be true? Did you examine each and every post relating to the case to inform your conclusion? Unless you have, I don't think that is something you honestly claim to know one way or the other.

Crensch ago

He still doesn't understand his double-standard, or the absurdity of guilty-until-proven-innocent.

kestrel9 ago

guilty-until-proven-innocent

He's not an American, maybe it's part of that culture.

In Costa Rica, while not exactly 'guilty until proven innocent', the system definitely favors the prosecution. There is no bond system. per se, though the court can allow for a posting of a bond if they so chose. Here, the prosecutor (fiscal) can request preventative detention (jail) while he or she builds the case against the sinner. Preventative detentions of 3 months are very common and 6 month detention are not uncommon. Detentions of 9 and 12 months, though rare occur with regularity in high profile or very complicated cases.http://www.therealcostarica.com/government_costa_rica/costa_rica_legal_system.html

Why do GA members have to be accountable to the centralized authority of PV? Isn't that what paved the road towards escalation, doxing and bans? No, he will never get it, because he's basing his assumptions that their self appointed higher authority to uphold their dogma and decree, without having to assume any connection between their influence over the results of their meddling.

Crensch ago

He's not an American, maybe it's part of that culture.

It's probably part of a lot of subhuman cultures, which is why their countries are all shitholes.

Why do GA members have to be accountable to the centralized authority of PV? Isn't that what paved the road towards escalation, doxing and bans?

It most certainly was.

No, he will never get it, because he's basing his assumptions that their self appointed higher authority to uphold their dogma and decree, without having to assume any connection between their influence over the results of their meddling.

"Muh ideals r rite bcuz dey sound gud"

Reality hits niggerthink.

followthemoney ago

I already explained how to find her using facial recognition and included her criminal history to prove the search is fruitful. Anyone can do it. I did it. At least two others did, as well. That is how they found the nudes that had such a close resemblance and that is how someone posted a guess at her age.

It was 100% not @kevdude.

In fact, @kevdude deleted the information I posted.

That is how I know @crensch is lying.

Crensch ago

Very good point.

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Crensch ago

The only one on record that I have seen defending doxxing attempts on Voat was you u/Crensch on this post of yours: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3274898.

Was I defending doxxing attempts, or was I showing how dishonest you were labeling it "possible misinfo"?

Oh, right. It was the latter. And you were very obviously in the wrong there. You had no way of knowing that, you just plastered the flair up, and told him you'd continue to do so on any of his posts.

You're so dishonest it's hilarious.

Sure I have been the dishonest one, that is why your attacks against me* have failed so badly...

Not one of my attacks has failed, but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

I was the dishonest one. I was the one betraying my principles and beliefs to attack my counter parts.

Yes, and you don't seem to have many principles, since lying and being dishonest seem to be part of your modus operandi.

I was the one defending doxxers all along... You can keep diverting my dear typhoon but you are nothing more than a whistle now...

You're defending kevdude despite him being the only one that could have dropped the video linking srayzie's pic to her name. Those are private links, sguevar. How did gothamgirl/zyklon get them?

Gothamgirl ago

Actually I told kevdude off when this first happened, because I felt he was white knighting for her. Then I made memes to make fun of him. He actually sent me pm's, asking me to come clean about how I got the info, after he was being targeted and blamed.

1skidoo ago

You're not fooling anyone, you are the problem. You've become the laughing stock of Voat.

sguevar ago

Was I defending doxxing attempts, or was I showing how dishonest you were labeling it "possible misinfo"?

Well on another comment I read you made you stated "this guy got you by the balls and you are scared" (paraphrasing) when you were addressing u/zyklon_b so you sure profited from that user's attempts.

Also you can claim that you were trying to show how dishonest I was being by the flair I put on the post however I did what was needed to defend a user from a doxx you felt quite passionately about. I do not regret my actions and I stand by them and all of Voat saw that hence your failure there.

Oh, right. It was the latter. And you were very obviously in the wrong there. You had no way of knowing that, you just plastered the flair up, and told him you'd continue to do so on any of his posts.

I flaired it and made the necessary inquiries through the same post. Again I do not regret it and even after your post I stickied it so everyone could see what you were encouraging there.

You're so dishonest it's hilarious.

You making a character judgement is even more funny but by all means keep it up.

Not one of my attacks has failed, but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Well right back at you. You saw a win where there wasn't one to be honest with you. But as I said to you before: convenience is a dangerous drug.

Yes, and you don't seem to have many principles, since lying and being dishonest seem to be part of your modus operandi.

Well that since I stand by my words and my post history and comment history show my consistency you can keep repeating it all you want. Doesn't make it true.

You're defending kevdude despite him being the only one that could have dropped the video linking srayzie's pic to her name. Those are private links, sguevar. How did gothamgirl/zyklon get them?

To be honest with you I never watch them. Wasn't interested at all. And to my knowledge from what I understand the first person that got any of those vids/pics was Esoteric. So isn't that a reasonable doubt that can be consider? Or your pride doesn't let you see objectively? (I don't even know why I am asking... after all I know the answer to the last one)

Crensch ago

I did what was needed to defend a user from a doxx you felt quite passionately about.

So you lied. Got it.

You didn't defend anyone from anything.

The user claimed he used only public searches to find what he did about them, which is EXACTLY the excuse Trigglypuff and Rotteuxx used for srayzie. You had no way of knowing if it was a lie, yet you flaired it as misinformation. Not "Dox" Not "warning" nothing. Misinformation.

A lie.

And btw, I saw you floundering around not able to find the info he did, but I tried it myself later, and found far more than what he dropped. All public searches. But go ahead and call me a liar or untruthful after your constant lying and dishonesty here.

sguevar ago

So you lied. Got it.

Your perception. I don't care much about it.

You didn't defend anyone from anything.

That is your insight and you are entitled to have it.

The user claimed he used only public searches to find what he did about them, which is EXACTLY the excuse Trigglypuff and Rotteuxx used for srayzie. You had no way of knowing if it was a lie, yet you flaired it as misinformation. Not "Dox" Not "warning" nothing. Misinformation.

Of information that was never linked before here on Voat. So no u/Trigglypuff nor Rotteuxx acted in the same way because u/srayzie had her persona twitter linked. What you are doing there is a false equivalency.

A lie.

Your characterization of my actions are not of my interest so keep going.

And btw, I saw you floundering around not able to find the info he did, but I tried it myself later, and found far more than what he dropped. All public searches. But go ahead and call me a liar or untruthful after your constant lying and dishonesty here.

I haven't called you a liar. I think you did organized those alts. Obviously not used by you. But that is my opinion on the matter. I have no interest in labeling anything else on you than you betrayed your principles and fell into convenience to wage your "war"... That is it.

wokeasfook ago

Your characterization of my actions are not of my interest so keep going.

So no dispute. Seems you did in fact lie. Just saying.

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sguevar ago

I flaired a post that was done by a user u/Crensch supported in his actions. The post contained an address apparently belonging th u/GothamGirl and that address was never shared on Voat before. The flair I put on it was possible missinfo as we needed to corroborate that the address was previous shared on Voat.

Through that post interaction you can see that I questioned the user about where was that address gotten from and when was it ever linked to Voat before.

The user confirmed that he got it from a public search engine but could never confirm that the address was ever posted on Voat before that one.

Hence the user got reported for doxx. And eventually banned for it.

I never took the flair out because that post needed to be flaired and that one was the one I did from the start.

Now you can join u/Crensch and believe that I lied. I don't care. I defended a user that was being doxx much as I defended u/srayzie before also.

However u/Crensch took advantage of the efforts done by the users banned (posted on the picture of this post) and even pinged them several times during their active interactions on Voat multiple times.

Which lead me to state my opinion that he coordinated a doxxing group on u/GothamGirl.

And I will keep stating my opinion. He hasn't shown me concrete proof of being otherwise.

But you can take it as you want.

wokeasfook ago

You haven't shown concrete proof either and you are the accuser. You are not representing yourself very well.

sguevar ago

I am stating my opinion. That is it.

Take it as you want.

wokeasfook ago

Exactly

sguevar ago

That doesn't change the fact that I do have probable cause/motive for his actions and me thinking he did coordinate that doxx team.

Until I do not see concrete proof that he didn't coordinated, as it seems to be with all his previous interactions with said users then my opinion will not change and I will express it as a statement.

Now I don't have a problem with acknowledging if I was wrong. But that only happens until proven wrong. He hasn't done it.

So this is a simple clash of opinions at this point. And I stand by mine.

wokeasfook ago

Until I do not see concrete proof that he didn't coordinated

Jesus Christ man that's some lefty madness. Guilty till proven innocent. Fuck that. The obligation is on you to back up your accusations. You haven't. And your cop out is that it's your opinion and he must prove his innocence. Marxism 101.

sguevar ago

Jesus Christ man that's some lefty madness. Guilty till proven innocent. Fuck that. The obligation is on you to back up your accusations. You haven't. And your cop out is that it's your opinion and he must prove his innocence. Marxism 101.

He hasn't been banned from Voat. What are you talking about? Nor from v/ProtectVoat.

I will not change my opinion until shown otherwise. That is it.

wokeasfook ago

Where did I say anything about being banned from voat. Wtf is wrong with you. You are openly saying he must prove his innocence against your 'opinion'. You are saying he is guilty unless he proves his innocence.

sguevar ago

Where did I say anything about being banned from voat. Wtf is wrong with you.

You accused me of being a lefty and a marxist because I will not change mi mind on him until shown otherwise. If that were the case I would have engaged on power moderation and censorship of his posts and comments in here and yet I haven't.

On the other hand, he has done it.

You are openly saying he must prove his innocence against your 'opinion'. You are saying he is guilty unless he proves his innocence.

I am openly saying that if he doesn't like me to express my opinion on his actions then yes he must show me otherwise. Until then I will keep believing that he did coordinate that doxx crew. Now can I prove it with concrete evidence? No I can't which is why I can only attest for probable cause/motive and the evidence of him interacting with those users, pinging them and also defending one of them from the flair I put in that user's post.

Yes his actions make me think like that and he hasn't shown me otherwise. So my opinion remains.

But he will not be unjustly banned nor silenced. He is more than welcome to keep whistling away.

wokeasfook ago

I've heard all I need from you. Your insurance on making accusations with nothing to back it up is literally how Stalin. Murder millions.

sguevar ago

Sure, stalin and all those (((jews in the letter))) allowed their detractors to roam free in the USSR... but hey you are expressing your opinion and as a statement and you are free to do so.

Enjoy your weekend.

wokeasfook ago

Except my opinion isn't accusing anyone of anything that person doesn't agree with. I.e. guilty until proven innocent. Like Judge Kavanaugh, the Covington Boys, etc.

Ye you too.

sguevar ago

Except my opinion isn't accusing anyone of anything that person doesn't agree with.

actually you are - you are accusing me of being on the same level as Staling for asking for him to change my mind on what I have seen him do.

Like Judge Kavanaugh, the Covington Boys, etc.

All of those I supported, you are giving a false equivalency and not only that you are asking for proofs that can only be gotten from invading the pms and private communications from him with the users in question. Proofs you know are impossible for me to get. He has the power to proof me wrong, yet he hasn't... why is that?

wokeasfook ago

That's some serious mental gymnastics.

Why don't you afford Crensch the same respect if you supported them. It is in no way a false equivalency.

In this scenario Crensch is Bret and you are both the accuser and the media and the left judging him guilty without evidence.

Provide proof or my fact stands. I'm accusing you of something you admit openly. Over and over again.

sguevar ago

That's some serious mental gymnastics.

Not really. You are equating me with authoritarians when I haven't enforced any authoritarian behavior on Crensch at all. I have expressed my opinion on him as an statement because I strongly believe in his influence on that group. But I haven't persecuted him nor censored him nor banned him.

He has however done all those three things against v/ProtectVoat, me, kevdude and anyone that has questioned him on his stance on this matter.

Why don't you afford Crensch the same respect if you supported them. It is in no way a false equivalency.

It is, I have afford him enough respect to dialogue with him, to try to reach a consensus and to stand against him when his actions hurt the integrity of the platform. I have granted him enough respect by not banning him from v/ProtectVoat nor accused him of doxxing with the admin team because I can't provide hard proof of my stated opinion. So he can roam free here, whistling away all that he wants.

In this scenario Crensch is Bret and you are both the accuser and the media and the left judging him guilty without evidence.

And let me describe to you why it is a false equivalency: The scenario you put in here was for an open investigation done on the supreme court judge at the moment of his confirmation. In which background checks were done, his communications were taken, records studied and so on and so forth. A due process was followed to do so even when the democrats tried to blow it all wide open. His integrity wasn't hurt through the process and it was proven that those allegations against him were false. But the one accusing as well as the one defending him had access to all of that information because of he law.

On my scenario, I can only proof probable cause/motive, the pings that he has shared with those same users and the defense he gave to an user's post doxxing one of his detractors with information that was never posted nor linked before here on Voat by said detractors.

The only way I can prove my stated opinion to be a fact is that a gain access to his pms and private communications outside of Voat. Because no one that would coordinate such a despicable effort would do so openly and publicly on Voat. I have no Authority to demand that access and I am not interested in doing so.

What you are demanding for is a tactic used by trolls and shills (not saying you are one of those) that demand impossible proofs in order to prove a statement and if those proofs can't be shown then the messenger of said statement has no credibility, or in this case also a liar, as you both are accusing me of being with both of your opinions. But that is just a diversion from the real issue here: Only one person can prove me wrong here and is him. But he won't. He will divert to the fact that I can only come by with circumstantial evidence to accuse him.

Sadly that is the way many perpetrators are free from punishment on the legal system. Is a reality I know exist.

Provide proof or my fact stands. I'm accusing you of something you admit openly. Over and over again.

Ask him to proof me wrong. It shouldn't be hard on him. I base my stated opinion on what he has shown with his actions. And will keep it unless I am shown otherwise.

He wont't do it. He will divert.

wokeasfook ago

After all that you wrote this

Ask him to proof me wrong.

You want him to prove his innocence. The burden of proof is on you the accuser. I don't need your essays.

sguevar ago

It is obvious that you will divert so no point in continuing with this.

Have a good one.

wokeasfook ago

Disingenuous.

You haven't shown concrete proof either and you are the accuser.

This was my first interjection into the conversation. I have remained on point. Not diverting at all.

Crensch ago

It's pretty insane how these Jews will talk in circles, isn't it?

wokeasfook ago

Why are Jews "protecting" voat?

Seems oxymoronic.

Crensch ago

Protecting it from hosting more whites that will get redpilled.

wokeasfook ago

Think mirror I guess.

Planned Parenthood

Save the children

Protect voat

We can't have anything nice.

Crensch ago

Yep.

Crensch ago

Your perception. I don't care much about it.

You admitted it. It's not a perception, it's a fact.

Of information that was never linked before here on Voat.

Horseshit. I took what zyklon and GG doxxed of themselves and found more than what he did.

So no u/Trigglypuff nor u/Rotteuxx acted in the same way because u/srayzie had her persona twitter linked. What you are doing there is a false equivalency.

She had much of it deleted. It was there no longer. Meaning a "public search" was a lie, but that's the excuse they used.

Your characterization of my actions are not of my interest so keep going.

The truth ought to interest you.

I haven't called you a liar. I think you did organized those alts. Obviously not used by you. But that is my opinion on the matter. I have no interest in labeling anything else on you than you betrayed your principles and fell into convenience to wage your "war"... That is it.

You've shown yourself to have no principles. You lie, admit it, then pretend my pointing out that you lied is some kind of lie because you don't like me.

You're dishonest in the highest degree.

Rotteuxx ago

She had much of it deleted. It was there no longer. Meaning a "public search" was a lie, but that's the excuse they used.

Pure bullshit, it's still on google.

Multiple social media accounts with the same name and various profiles pics. Nothing gets erased from the internet.

Why are you being so fallacious in your argumentation ?

You're dishonest in the highest degree.

Right, maximum projection !

Crensch ago

Pure bullshit, it's still on google.

Then it was a public search? Great. So was what SOOB posted. It still is.

Multiple social media accounts with the same name and various profiles pics. Nothing gets erased from the internet.

So posting all of their stuff is fine? That's kinda what SOOB was getting at...

Why are you being so fallacious in your argumentation ?

I'm not. You just hung yourself.

Right, maximum projection !

Get wrecked.

Rotteuxx ago

Who's soob and what did they post ?

I'm not.

She had much of it deleted. It was there no longer. Meaning a "public search" was a lie, but that's the excuse they used.

Fallacious statement right there.

Proof 1 2 3 4

You just hung yourself.

How ?

Crensch ago

Did you get her images from those public searches?

Rotteuxx ago

Reply to the other points I raised and we'll move on to your new query after that.

Crensch ago

I replied to the other question with an answer. Your turn.

Rotteuxx ago

Nope, if you think you can control a conversation so your narrative stays intact I've got news for you.

Who's soob and what did they post ?

How did I hang myself ?

Converse with integrity or fuck off.

Crensch ago

And this:

Pure bullshit, it's still on google.

Multiple social media accounts with the same name and various profiles pics. Nothing gets erased from the internet.

Why are you being so fallacious in your argumentation ?

Crensch ago

Nope, if you think you can control a conversation so your narrative stays intact I've got news for you.

Then why post this:

        The dumb bitch [@Srayzie](https://voat.co/u/Srayzie) uploaded multiple pictures of herself to various social media networks.

        They are publicly available on google if you search for "@srayzie"

        This is not a dox, you're a fucking moron for believing it is.

?

Rotteuxx ago

Moving the goal post and avoiding answering my questions to hold on to your narrative.

Fuck off, good night.

Crensch ago

Answer that one question and I'll answer everything for you.

I already answered another question elsewhere.

Rotteuxx ago

Nope, you don't have control.

Deal with it.

wokeasfook ago

Wtf. Conversation goes back and forth. As a bystander reading I'd like an answer too.

Rotteuxx ago

Not until i get mine.

Crensch ago

Kek. I really do. Why mention that if you didn't do exactly that to get the pics?

Someone looking at this would have to ask themselves that question.

Rotteuxx ago

No you dont.

Proof right here, keep on fishing.

Crensch ago

I really do have all I need, and it's too bad you're not smart enough to put it all together yourself. Might as well just answer the question, it's pretty much 100% confirmed as is.

Rotteuxx ago

Keep on yappin' !

Crensch ago

Not happening. You answer first and I'll answer every question you have after that.

sguevar ago

You admitted it. It's not a perception, it's a fact.

No. It is your perception. Much as it is my perception that you did organized those alts to take action.

Horseshit. I took what zyklon and GG doxxed of themselves and found more than what he did.

I checked with u/MadWorld. The post you defended on yours contained not an address that was ever linked to Voat.

She had much of it deleted. It was there no longer. Meaning a "public search" was a lie, but that's the excuse they used.

I saw the sub and saw the posts. And I know I saw all the three pictures she posted on her "analysis" of u/srayzie being a (((jew in the letter))) on u/srayzie's twitter account when I saw it.

The truth ought to interest you.

I stand by the Truth. I am not interested on your individual one.

You've shown yourself to have no principles. You lie, admit it, then pretend my pointing out that you lied is some kind of lie because you don't like me.

Says the one that supported the alts doxxing the users. Says the one that engaged in power moderation and censorship... well that is a nice little projection you threw there.

You're dishonest in the highest degree.

And you can keep thinking so. I don't care.

Crensch ago

No. It is your perception. Much as it is my perception that you did organized those alts to take action.

Anyone reading that would take it as a statement of fact, NOT an opinion. There was no "I think" to it. It was a rejection of my words, on the basis of me doing that thing. You're so beyond dishonest it's becoming amusing.

I checked with u/MadWorld. The post you defended on yours contained not an address that was ever linked to Voat.

The post I defended? I wanted you to provide evidence that it was misinfo, but you couldn't because it was flagged a few seconds after posting. You lied.

I saw the sub and saw the posts. And I know I saw all the three pictures she posted on her "analysis" of u/srayzie being a (((jew in the letter))) on u/srayzie's twitter account when I saw it.

Bullshit. Now you're claiming things like that to defend your position? YOU SAID I ORGANIZED A DOXX PARTY. You're a liar. And they literally did have a doxx party. A subverse for it. Are you quite fucked in the head or what?

I stand by the Truth. I am not interested on your individual one.

You stand as far away as you can from it, it seems.

Says the one that supported the alts doxxing the users. Says the one that engaged in power moderation and censorship... well that is a nice little projection you threw there.

As opposed to the mains doxxing the users? Oh, gotta bring up something irrelevant to the subject because you're losing now? Keep bringing up my moderation to save your hide here, it won't work.

And you can keep thinking so. I don't care.

I can show it in this nest alone. Any 3rd party would see your dishonesty.

ESOTERICshade ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkcDoUE8_Ec

@whiteronin

Psychopaths in the mix being @crensch

If @puttitiout won't blow the brains of this psychopath into the global banned mod logs Voatdom will see the demise.

I have had enough of you @crensch. I beat you by understanding your tactics. Hence I have my own sticky and Badge Of Honor And Achievement. You butt hurt like a muh fuka....

As Argo would say, cheesy as it is>>>>"aaahahahaaaa, you don't mean shit, roflmao, you so unimportant, ROFLMAO, I drink your blood and tears, blah blah blah blah"

You done. You baked. Only thing left for you is for Mr. Puttsman to blow your brains into the banned mod logs.

1488 jew bastard.

sguevar ago

Anyone reading that would take it as a statement of fact, NOT an opinion. There was no "I think" to it. It was a rejection of my words, on the basis of me doing that thing. You're so beyond dishonest it's becoming amusing.

I don't care what was missing. That is how I view you. And your actions don't lead me to a different opinion to be honest. You don't like it well believe me I can live with it. Maybe you will one day.

The post I defended? I wanted you to provide evidence that it was misinfo, but you couldn't because it was flagged a few seconds after posting. You lied.

Ok, it sure worked didn't it? /s

Bullshit. Now you're claiming things like that to defend your position? YOU SAID I ORGANIZED A DOXX PARTY. You're a liar. And they literally did have a doxx party. A subverse for it. Are you quite fucked in the head or what?

I strongly believe you did. And I will claim it as a statement until proved otherwise. If you don't like it I really don't care.

You stand as far away as you can from it, it seems.

To you and your supporters. I don't care. I didn't see you defending the doxx against u/GothamGirl ever. Why? because you didn't like her. But you defended u/srayzie against her. Why? Because you did liked her. But v/ProtectVoat defended both of them. So you tell me who used convenience in this whole matter? And who stands by the truth.

As opposed to the mains doxxing the users? Oh, gotta bring up something irrelevant to the subject because you're losing now? Keep bringing up my moderation to save your hide here, it won't work.

Both activities were despicable. I said it multiple times. You dropped to their level. And even if you want to say I am lying with my opinions expressed as statements I honestly don't care. I am not the one that dropped myself to anyone's level. I defended what needed to be defended both times. You, just defended what your pride lead you to.

I can show it in this nest alone. Any 3rd party would see your dishonesty.

Is that so? Well what third party are we talking about?

Crensch ago

I don't care what was missing. That is how I view you.

You used it as a refutation, moron.

Ok, it sure worked didn't it? /s

It doesn't matter if it worked. You flagged it as misinfo. YOu're a liar.

I strongly believe you did. And I will claim it as a statement until proved otherwise. If you don't like it I really don't care.

Prove it.

To you and your supporters. I don't care. I didn't see you defending the doxx against u/GothamGirl ever. Why?

Because she doxxed herself, moron. And I actually took the time to follow SOOB's footsteps, only I found a treasure trove of damn near everything. Oh, and she MARRIED the other half of the dox, which meant so much more information was available. I don't consider following that to be a problem, do you?

Posting THAT STUFF after the "public search" claims by triggly and rotteuxx, that wound up with neither of them banned, suggested that PUBLIC SEARCH was the bar, and SOOB was ither not as thorough, or was nice enough to dox just a little at a time as they continued their threats against the lives of srayzie's kids.

Is public search the line you draw? If not, triggly and rott should be banned. If so, then soob should not be. Do you not understand how this works?

because you didn't like her. But you defended u/srayzie against her. Why? Because you did liked her.

Nobody threatened gothamgirls kids for months on end. And no, I don't think I'd switch the lever to move a train to a different track if gothamgirl was tied to the one it was on. So what?

But v/ProtectVoat defended both of them. So you tell me who used convenience in this whole matter? And who stands by the truth.

Horseshit. ProtectVoat defended trigglypuff, but doesn't defend SOOB. Same way of coming by the info.

Also, kevdude was the first to say srayzie's name.

Protectvoat? Kek. Horseshit.

Both activities were despicable. I said it multiple times. You dropped to their level. And even if you want to say I am lying with my opinions expressed as statements I honestly don't care. I am not the one that dropped myself to anyone's level. I defended what needed to be defended both times. You, just defended what your pride lead you to.

You never were above shit-tier level. Bringing up other things doesn't make you any better, it just shows how weak of a person you are that you cannot face your faults and admit to them.

Is that so? Well what third party are we talking about?

Any one reading this without a dog in the fight either way. You claimed something. Nobody gives a fuck if you think it's some personal style or whatever that allows you to claim it without backing it up.

Support your assertion that I organized doxx parties.

Crensch ago

To be honest with you I never watch them. Wasn't interested at all. And to my knowledge from what I understand the first person that got any of those vids/pics was Esoteric. So isn't that a reasonable doubt that can be consider?

No. ESOTERIC didn't get that one. Kev did.

sguevar ago

No. ESOTERIC didn't get that one. Kev did.

And you know this because u/srayz told you so.

Has Esoteric expressed anything about that at all that proves you are right on that statement?

ESOTERICshade ago

Has Esoteric expressed anything about that at all that proves you are right on that statement?

I made a promise to the crazy srayzie, from the beginning, that I would never share her private messages and pictures with other people. Even as hard as she fucked me over I still have not done it. I could unleash megaton bombs on this situation and flatten it like scorched earth. I have not done that, unlike some other people. I am not perfect but personal integrity does mean a little something to me.

sguevar ago

Fair enough. However would support the claim that u/kevdude leaked them?

ESOTERICshade ago

However would support the claim that u/kevdude leaked them?

No I would not support that @kevdude leaked them. srayzie shared PM messages with a dozen, maybe even dozens of people, with people on Voat. The truth is that there is no telling how many people srayzie has sent private PM and nekkid pictures to. Kevdude is an honorable person attempting to do good things for Voat. As you have noticed @crensch is a snake in the grass and will do anything for power. Crenschville is done in Voat City. Finished. You are on the right side of this argument @sguevar

I might be the only person involved that has not released personal information, pictures, and other damning information. I feel pretty good about that. If Mr. Sir @Puttitout will drop a nuclear bomb on crensch and glass it like Israel needs to be glassed there will be no need for me to drop the bounds of the integrity that I have showed so far.

sguevar ago

Thanks.

Right now all I have is probable cause/motive and circumstantial evidence that he did coordinate.

This is why it is just a clash of opinions between him and I. And that is in fact why he is still around and not banned with the alts he organized.

He is still around because at this moment there is not clear evidence that he managed said group. That is it. Not because he didn't do anything wrong.

But I stop trusting the guy as soon as I saw his lack of objectivity, his lack of dialogue, his personal involvement, and his actions of power moderation and defending a clear attempt of doxx on a user.

A user I don't like. u/GothamGirl can attest for that. I don't like her. But that doesn't take her right to be defended from what was done to her. Much as I did with u/srayzie.

My position stands and he can think he can attack v/ProtectVoat. But I will stand between him and Voat as a vowed. And I will show Voat his true colors.

ESOTERICshade ago

A user I don't like. u/GothamGirl can attest for that. I don't like her. But that doesn't take her right to be defended from what was done to her. Much as I did with u/srayzie.

My position stands and he can think he can attack v/ProtectVoat. But I will stand between him and Voat as a vowed. And I will show Voat his true colors.

I have known @gothamgirl since the first days of investigating v/pizzagate when it all first broke into the public that we have pedophiles in high places abusing our children. She is actually a much better person than it might seem. She unfortunately reacted to the vicious attacks put upon her. Unfortunately making it seem like she was as bad as her attackers. Beatle has also tarnished her reputation a little bit but I don't blame Beatle for taking up for Gothamgirl because what srayzie did to Gothamgirl was below the belt.

I KNOW what the answer is to peace on Voat. The answer is for Mr. Sir @puttitiout to blow @crensch brains into the global banned mod logs. This is the only answer because crensch is either:

  1. Psychopath. Basement dwelling loser hell bent on taking internet power because he has no real life.
  2. Paid asset to destroy Voat

Don't make a damn which one is the correct answer. Mr. Puttsman just needs to put a nuclear bomb on crensch and get this shit over with.

Crensch ago

And you know this because u/srayz told you so.

And?

Has Esoteric expressed anything about that at all that proves you are right on that statement?

He's a chronic liar, kinda like you. @ESOTERICshade isn't to be trusted.

Guess who never lied about screenshots, or who said what? Did you ever once catch her in a lie?

sguevar ago

He's a chronic liar, kinda like you

The fact that you describe me as a liar makes me not actually take your word for granted on your judgement of @ESOTERICshade. But I don't trust many here at Voat. And those I trust on is after I have had quite a few interactions with them. I haven't interacted with him at all.

Guess who never lied about screenshots, or who said what? Did you ever once catch her in a lie?

Well at this point all I can say is that when I pleaded with her to set the record straight about linking her personal twitter account she didn't and she preferred to leave u/Trigglypuff banned even after saying to me she didn't want her banned.

Are you telling me that the pm that u/kevude shared about her telling him that she was about to create false pms and lie about them to hurt u/zyklon_b and u/GothamGirl is fake? And if it isn't fake doesn't that mean that she would do anything as long as could crush her opposition... no matter the cost?

ESOTERICshade ago

The fact that you describe me as a liar makes me not actually take your word for granted on your judgement of @ESOTERICshade.

This is the deal sguevar. I don't like psychopaths. When I understood that @crensch was a psychopath I decided to use his tactics against him. crensch is battery acid to voat and society in general.

Famous crensch sayings: 1. "I DESTROYED that mother fucker 2. "nobody can beat me" 3. blah blah blah blah blah

I beat his ass, like the big bass drum in a marching band parade. I beat him soundly. I put so much butt hurt on that psychopath that I have my own Badge Of Honor in form of a sticky. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3289546

No doubt crensch spent no less than 60 hours on my Badge Of Honor Beating Crensch Like A Drum In A Marching Band Sticky. Who does that?

My sticky says "anti pizzagate, will lie to hide it, ask mods for evidence" Really? Click my posting history. Pizzagate was my passion until that psychopath injected his big narcissistic self into the equation. So, I beat his ass like nobody ever in the history of Voat and my sticky in PG is my ribbon of achievement.

If I was @puttitout I would drop the nuclear on @crensch and do Voat a favor so that it could breath. I have kept my mouth shut, pretty much, but that is my two cents.

Drop the nuke Mr. Puttsman, let it happen captain.

Gothamgirl ago

Oh it just figures....

Crensch ago

The fact that you describe me as a liar makes me not actually take your word for granted on your judgement of @ESOTERICshade.

You literally lied. You stated something as fact, and then backpedaled to "my opinion". That's called a lie.

But I don't trust many here at Voat. And those I trust on is after I have had quite a few interactions with them. I haven't interacted with him at all.

Maybe you should just read about him. There's a sticky in PG. You think I'm bad? Kek.

Well at this point all I can say is that when I pleaded with her to set the record straight about linking her personal twitter account she didn't and she preferred to leave u/Trigglypuff banned even after saying to me she didn't want her banned.

Srayzie had deleted and removed off the net two of the three images triggly posted. That's shady shit, and fuck her for that.

Are you telling me that the pm that u/kevude shared about her telling him that she was about to create false pms and lie about them to hurt u/zyklon_b and u/GothamGirl is fake?

Ask kevdude about faked PMs, he likes that idea a lot. Were the PMs about him using an outside source to manipulate Voat faked, sguevar?

And if it isn't fake doesn't that mean that she would do anything as long as could crush her opposition... no matter the cost?

Right, she lied about the video because reasons, after kevdude dropping her name for everyone. He was the first user to ever use her real name publicly.

You think that was a coincidence?

sguevar ago

You literally lied. You stated something as fact, and then backpedaled to "my opinion". That's called a lie.

I backpedaled nothing. I state my opinions as statements. You just want to keep labeling me as way to attack the messenger and not the argument. Up to you, that has been your approach for a while now.

Maybe you should just read about him. There's a sticky in PG. You think I'm bad? Kek.

Maybe I will, but if he offers proof, concrete proof that he had them, then what?

Srayzie had deleted and removed off the net two of the three images triggly posted.

Yet your researching skills prevented you from doing a simple google search and see that one of those pictures was still showing linked to her twitter. Convenient isn't it?

Ask kevdude about faked PMs, he likes that idea a lot.

Have you asked u/srayzie about them?

Were the PMs about him using an outside source to manipulate Voat faked, sguevar?

Are you referring to the builderanon "saga"?

Right, she lied about the video because reasons,

But does proves that she is capable of doing such thing and hence also puts a reasonable doubt in the matter, that you out of pride can't see.

after kevdude dropping her name for everyone. He was the first user to ever use her real name publicly.You think that was a coincidence?

So you are saying that all this is a lie: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3312617 ?

Crensch ago

I backpedaled nothing. I state my opinions as statements. You just want to keep labeling me as way to attack the messenger and not the argument. Up to you, that has been your approach for a while now.

You used that statement of fact as a refutation of my words, you moron. Meaning you wanted it taken as fact, not opinion.

Maybe I will, but if he offers proof, concrete proof that he had them, then what?

He can't. The link is private, and it'll be the same one kevdude was given. Are you really this stupid?

Yet your researching skills prevented you from doing a simple google search and see that one of those pictures was still showing linked to her twitter. Convenient isn't it?

One. I said two of the three, you mongrel. Meaning you just confirmed what I just said. You really are quite stupid. Convenient, isn't it?

Have you asked u/srayzie about them?

Who was caught faking PMs? was it ever one of our side? Or was it stuff making US look bad? Oh, right, it was the latter.

Are you referring to the builderanon "saga"?

Yeah, and?

But does proves that she is capable of doing such thing and hence also puts a reasonable doubt in the matter, that you out of pride can't see.

No, moron. It was sarcasm. "because reasons" "right"

What lie was she caught in, sguevar?

So you are saying that all this is a lie: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/3312617 ?

Holy fucking shit are you stupid?

You lied. Here. In this nest. Multiple times. And you refuse to admit it. Bringing up something else doesn't change that fact. Any character assassination you want to bring up against me means fuck-all. YOU. Lied. You lied. It's simple.

You used my "doxx party" as a refutation of something I said. That requires proof, and you have none.

sguevar ago

You used that statement of fact as a refutation of my words, you moron. Meaning you wanted it taken as fact, not opinion.

Yes I stated my opinion. And I will do it again: you did organize that group to doxx GothamGirl's address. You interacted with that group multiple times, you pinged them multiple times and you defended the user that posted an address that was never linked to Voat again. Nothing of what you have done have proved me otherwise.

He can't. The link is private, and it'll be the same one kevdude was given. Are you really this stupid?

If he has concrete proof of having the videos that apparently u/srayzie shared with multiple people then that proof is welcome at any time. And you labeling me as something to me is like a "meh" point so focus on the argument.

One. I said two of the three, you mongrel. Meaning you just confirmed what I just said. You really are quite stupid. Convenient, isn't it?

Not really. But you will divert from possible scenarios. You don't know if they got those pictures before she removed them. As u/srayzie made the link to her personal twitter account and apparently another one also, what makes you think that through she didn't link her gab account or her bitchute account to her twiitter?

Who was caught faking PMs? was it ever one of our side? Or was it stuff making US look bad? Oh, right, it was the latter.

u/zyklon_b. But that doesn't answer the question I made. And u/kevdude has no interest in faking pms. Otherwise he would have faked yours also but you confirmed the one he shared about you was real. And he confirmed the ones ZB shared about you seemed faked.

What lie was she caught in, sguevar?

She was caught on a plan she was doing to fake pms of ZB and GG to hurt them within the SBBH community. Hence it does proof that she is willing to do anything to crush her opposition. Whether she did or not, is besides the point. I am certain that one of the alts banned on the group you supported was her. Why? because u/Hollacost was a shizy (u/shizie) alt. So the fact that they engaged in doxxing themselves with alts, show me that they are very well capable of lying about it.

You lied. Here. In this nest. Multiple times. And you refuse to admit it. Bringing up something else doesn't change that fact. Any character assassination you want to bring up against me means fuck-all. YOU. Lied. You lied. It's simple.

Keep repeating it, but the only ones that believe that are you and your supporters u/Crensch. Again, it doesn't make it true.

You used my "doxx party" as a refutation of something I said. That requires proof, and you have none.

I stated my opinion and will keep doing so u/Crensch. You haven't shown otherwise that you didn't coordinate with that team of yours at all. So my statement remains. Deal with it.

Crensch ago

Yes I stated my opinion. And I will do it again: you did organize that group to doxx GothamGirl's address. No 'i believe' or 'imo'. Kek.

Prove it.

sguevar ago

I will reply to this tomorrow. Got to go.

Crensch ago

Thinking up how you'll lie and spin it? I'd leave, too. You're so wrecked here, if I were in your shoes I'd consider not logging in ever again.

sguevar ago

No not really I start working at 4 am Costa Rica time so gotta get some sleep.

Crensch ago

This is an assumption you are throwing out there but without real proof of it.

"I bet I can make you madder"

Next day - yelp dox.

kek.

And it is one you are hanging with because of the fact that it convenes your constant search for attacking v/ProtectVoat which failed quite poorly to say the least.

I don't need to search for anything to attack PV with. I just pick from myriad things it, and kevdude, have done wrong whenever I feel like it.

I don't equate you to them, they didn't organized a doxx party like you did with alts.

You just admonished me for throwing assumptions out there with no real proof.

You've shown yourself to be dishonest, and a hypocrite.

@Vindicator @kestrel9 @argosciv @sandhog @pieceseeker

sguevar ago

You just admonished me for throwing assumptions out there with no real proof.

I admit is an assumption I have a really strong feeling about it. That is why I no longer trust you. You supported the users that recently got banned for doxx (posted on this post)

You've shown yourself to be dishonest, and a hypocrite.

Not really I extended my opinion about what you showed in the past when interacting with those users and pinging them.

Crensch ago

I admit is an assumption I have a really strong feeling about it.

So you lied. You claimed I organized a doxx party with alts.

You're a liar.

That is why I no longer trust you.

Because you're a liar?

Gothamgirl ago

You have got to be kidding me, you Srayzie and shizy did exactly that...

Shizie ago

You are the only people on here who have ever attacked me.

Hahahaha! Bullshit! Lots of people don't like you and talk shit to you and about you!

sguevar ago

So you lied. You claimed I organized a doxx party with alts.You're a liar.

How am I lying when I am saying that is how I see it?

Because you're a liar?

That is how you see me, and again, character judgements coming from you are meaningless.

Crensch ago

How am I lying when I am saying that is how I see it?

You're stating it as a fact. You're accusing me of doing exactly what you did 100% for sure.

That is how you see me, and again, character judgements coming from you are meaningless.

No, you actually did lie. Your comment was not a question, or a pondering, it was a statement. You stated it as one sentence. No caveats until called out on it.

sguevar ago

No, you actually did lie. Your comment was not a question, or a pondering, it was a statement.

I don't need to ponder my opinions nor put a question mark. When I express an opinion I do it as a statement. So far your actions haven't prove me wrong.

Crensch ago

I don't need to ponder my opinions nor put a question mark. When I express an opinion I do it as a statement. So far your actions haven't prove me wrong.

You're the one with the claim. The onus is on you to support it.

sguevar ago

You're the one with the claim. The onus is on you to support it.

Your defense of a user posting information that was never linked on Voat before just because it was on public records just to say I am a liar is quite a big proof if you mind me say... but you don't because convenience will lead your argument to what you want it to be... if I let you to... which ... won't happen.

Crensch ago

Your defense of a user posting information that was never linked on Voat before just because it was on public records just to say I am a liar is quite a big proof if you mind me say...

That was THEIR justification for using pics that were deleted from her social medias. They didn't use public searches, sguevar. They lied about it, but that was their justification for it. That was also HIS justification. (assuming gender, whatever)

but you don't because convenience will lead your argument to what you want it to be... if I let you to... which ... won't happen.

You're kinda stupid, aren't you? Overusing ellipsis, and talking about convenience as if it's some kind of useful metric here.

Kek.

sguevar ago

That was THEIR justification for using pics that were deleted from her social medias. They didn't use public searches, sguevar. They lied about it, but that was their justification for it. That was also HIS justification. (assuming gender, whatever)

The link she did of her twitter account is proof enough of reasonable doubt. Whether you like that or not, that is besides the point.

That was also HIS justification. (assuming gender, whatever)

And yet the link of the information the user posted was never made on the post I flaired as possible misinfo. Whether he is trying to justify to copy cat what the other users did. That address was never posted on Voat before. u/srayzie's twitter that had access to all the 3 photos did. That is the major difference.

You're kinda stupid, aren't you? Overusing ellipsis, and talking about convenience as if it's some kind of useful metric here.

LMAO, and again I should care of your judgement because?

Crensch ago

The link she did of her twitter account is proof enough of reasonable doubt. Whether you like that or not, that is besides the point.

The links of them doxxing themselves is proof enough. Whether you like that or not, is besides the point. But you'll put a "misinfo" flair up despite not having checked on it.

And yet the link of the information the user posted was never made on the post I flaired as possible misinfo.

So? Public searches. You can google it, just like you said I needed to do in the other comment.

Were srayzie's other two pics misinformation?

No, because they're not of one of your chosen ones.

Whether he is trying to justify to copy cat what the other users did. That address was never posted on Voat before. u/srayzie's twitter that had access to all the 3 photos did. That is the major difference.

No, that twitter did not. You JUST admitted it was only one that it had access to at that point.

You LIE.

LMAO, and again I should care of your judgement because?

I don't care what you think. Keep talking, maybe I'll make a nice little story out of your dishonesty here as you continue to make stupid and boneheaded responses to me that show you're dishonest, have double standards, and will do anything to defend zyklon/gg/kevdude.

Gothamgirl ago

@Crensch lol so you don't remember at Christmas time when she posted he own pics to GA?

sguevar ago

The links of them doxxing themselves is proof enough. Whether you like that or not, is besides the point. But you'll put a "misinfo" flair up despite not having checked on it.

That address was never linked.

So? Public searches. You can google it, just like you said I needed to do in the other comment. Were srayzie's other two pics misinformation? No, because they're not of one of your chosen ones.

Again with your public searches. It is clear that you see not what those users did as something wrong. So no point in discussing it further. You definitely are not trustworthy if you can't say it.

Were srayzie's other two pics misinformation?

At one point they were. But if the users also did a google search on her apart her twitter account, those two others showed on her other social medias next to the twitter one. You don't know if they got them from there or from her twitter before she removed them. That is reasonable doubt.

No, that twitter did not. You JUST admitted it was only one that it had access to at that point. You LIE.

I will repeat myself: You don't know if they got them from there or from her twitter before she removed them. That is reasonable doubt.

I don't care what you think. Keep talking, maybe I'll make a nice little story out of your dishonesty here as you continue to make stupid and boneheaded responses to me that show you're dishonest, have double standards, and will do anything to defend zyklon/gg/kevdude.

Go for it. You think I care? I stand by my words Crensch. You did organize that doxxing party, to counter attack what u/srayzie was going through. You have stated before that if someone threaten your kids you would make sure to take the matter on your own hands before addressing it through the proper channels. And as understandable as that can be, it doesn't make it right. I again, I stand by me saying you did organize that party.

Crensch ago

That address was never linked.

It was found by public searches, moron. The same public searches you think I should have done to get srayzie's pics. Right? Remember that?

Again with your public searches. It is clear that you see not what those users did as something wrong. So no point in discussing it further. You definitely are not trustworthy if you can't say it.

You literally accepted public searches:

Yet your researching skills prevented you from doing a simple google search and see that one of those pictures was still showing linked to her twitter. Convenient isn't it?

GOOGLE SEARCH to find it, right? That's all I did. Public searches like that. That's apparently all soob did, too, because I found every ounce of information using the same means.

At one point they were. But if the users also did a google search on her apart her twitter account, those two others showed on her other social medias next to the twitter one. You don't know if they got them from there or from her twitter before she removed them. That is reasonable doubt.

I know it because they claimed it themselves, moron. http://archive.fo/oKH4Q

The dumb bitch @Srayzie uploaded multiple pictures of herself to various social media networks.

They are publicly available on google if you search for "@srayzie"

This is not a dox, you're a fucking moron for believing it is.

@Rotteuxx

Meaning what, sguevar? What SOOB did is NOT a dox by this metric.

I will repeat myself: You don't know if they got them from there or from her twitter before she removed them. That is reasonable doubt.

KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK

You did organize that doxxing party, to counter attack what u/srayzie was going through.

Prove it like I just proved you wrong, subhuman.

You have stated before that if someone threaten your kids you would make sure to take the matter on your own hands before addressing it through the proper channels.

So? Were these my kids?

And as understandable as that can be, it doesn't make it right.

Like I would give a fuck about your opinion.

I again, I stand by me saying you did organize that party.

You can't even stop lying and being wrong in a single comment, you should probably just stop making accusations altogether.

Rotteuxx ago

Why did you fake ping me with a "-" in front of the "@" ?

@sguevar

Crensch ago

The dash is normal for a name behind a quote. Didn't realize it ate the dash and didn't ping.