Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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Crensch ago
Not currently interested in the rest of your post, but this really stood out.
Explain how this isn't a false-equivalence, and then explain how "Nazis" want to control others' lives.
Cannonfodder ago
I kinda see it as holding any kind of ideology is essentially mind-control by yourself. Anyone can be persuaded to one idealogy or another which can be reinforced by the power of social conformity. It is easier on an individual’s mind and for the individual to trust pre-formed ideologies especially those established in a society than to have the fortitude to recognize the mental constructs in place and their mind-controlling ability and either accept or reject them and form their own internal concepts of the world.
Crensch ago
Oh, hey! How about you put a nice little space there where you added more text in an edit, instead of stacking it on top and making it appear that I didn't address each of your points?
http://archive.is/wWyQU Here's a reminder of where you left off.
Cannonfodder ago
My fault I’m pretty stoned and posted before I finished my thought. All I’m saying is I can see where OP can consider SJW’s and Nazis are on the same coin because people are lemmings and will conform to an ideology easily and promote it without understanding it to conform others. This is an opinion. I have been on voat for a long time but I don’t post often here because I didn’t realize that was a requirement but I understand why that may seem suspicious.
Crensch ago
... So all ideologies are the same because lemmings?
31 minute lag time is a lot. May want to call your doctor about that one.
It's not a requirement. I'm just not into believing in coincidences when things start looking funny.
You could be completely innocent here, and I could be wrong, but having such a similar posting frequency to OP, and him responding "we" really just seals the deal for me.
Cannonfodder ago
They can be the same because they provide a structure for a lemming to cling to. My brain is kinda shot from working all weekend, so your skepticism is appropriate because I’m just hashing out thoughts. I probably should not have jumped into such a topic but again I’m pretty baked. Have a good rest of your weekend
Crensch ago
I posit the argument not worth bringing up as a way to compare the two if literally any ideology has the same flaw/similarity.
You too. Probably the best response you could give that would give me pause in thinking you're the same person.
Have a good rest of your weekend, either way.