FORMAL COMPLAINT CALLING FOR MILLENIAL FALCON TO BE REMOVED AS MOD (ProtectVoat)

submitted ago by Psychanaut

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Myself and other Voat users in /pizzagate are being harassed and abused by Millenial Falcon, who is being protected by other Mods.

I PLAN ON LODGING A SINGLE COMPLAINT A DAY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT MILLENNIAL FALCON IS DOING ACTION BY ACTION.

WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BEING ABUSED BY THIS PERON, AND WATCHING OTHER MODS CLEAN UP AFTER.

MommyLove > Psychanaut Banned

Vindicator's response to me:

I'm pretty sure he banned you for spamming not because you reposted the article, but because you ignored Rule 4 which requires posts about mods be made in v/pizzagatemods. That established a pattern of not respecting the submission rules, for which we usually give people a timeout.

(except in this case the person was BANNED. Not the post deleted, not a warning BANNED)

Exhibit One shows that MF, yet again, feels it's their job to simply ban people whenever they feel like it, for which Vindicator is constantly having to explain and excuse their actions to other voat users.

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Vindicator ago

@Millennial_Falcon @Vindicator what's your side of this story?

@MommyLove, a user who is very concerned about parental rights and CPS removing kids from families and the connection this may have to child trafficking, made a post about "medical kidnap" but did not specify how it might be connected, which I asked her to do. The next morning, MF removed it because that did not happen.

MommyLove reposted it, adding one sentence of explanation, but no links supporting the connection. MF removed that post as well.

Then she became frustrated that mods were removing posts and the baby's life was in danger and made a third post ignoring the v/pizzagate submission rules about mods being suspect. MF removed that one as well. He also banned her for repeatedly disregarding the submission guidelines, as we do for anyone who refuses to respect them.

During this, MommyLove DMed me for explanations (I usually give an explanation in comments to try to help people learn how to submit in accord with our submission rules. MF does not have time to do so.) Being in a different time zone, it took me quite a while to get to all her comments and messages, adding to the frustration. When she DMed about the ban, I explained it was only temporary; we unbanned her a couple days later.

Meanwhile, MommyLove complained to Psychanaut, who then DMed me demanding I take action against MF:

Psychanaut > Vindicator | Sent: 7 days ago on 6/7/2017 8:59:27 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

Dear Vindicator and Voat/pizzagate,

I want to officially move to have Millennial Falcon removed as MOD.

You are a mod, it's your job to be the gate keeper for the rules.

Therefore, please inform me of the official channels needed to take to make a formal complaint against Millenial Falcon for abuse of power, harassment and arbitrary application of the rules in an abusive fashion, meant to control, harass and intimidate people on Voat.

I want an official channel by which I can lodge a formal complaint and I'll let the process work for itself, but I am formally requesting the proper process by which to file a formal complaint.

Please note that on June 7, 2017, Psychanaut on behalf of myself 5 additional Voat users who's identity I am protecting for now, have asked Vindicator to lodge a formal complaint against Millenial Falcon and request to enact the process by which this formal complaint can be lodged.

My reply:

Vindicator > Psychanaut | Sent: 5 days ago on 6/8/2017 9:30:18 PM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

Hi Psychanaut,

Thank you for the DM. In order to have MF removed, you will need to present a well-documented explanation of why you think this is necessary to the owners of v/pizzagate: Crensch, VictorSteinerDavion and kingkongwaswrong. They specifically chose Millennial_Falcon based on his contributions as a user and his commitment to research supported by linked sources, so you will need to convince them -- with documented evidence in the form of links to removed posts, comments, or screenshots of DM's -- that they are wrong.

Complaining about him without objectively documenting your argument will only make you look like one of the hundreds of trolls who have tried to have him removed since last December when he refused to leave their unsourced or off-topic posts on the board. Unlike most places on the internet, Voat is not a place you can expect manners, sensitivity to feelings, avoidance of offensive language or comments. Voat was founded as a forum for true freedom of speech -- and the sitewide community values offensive speech as a sign of that freedom. Many old school Voaters engage in it gratuitously.

As a result, disgruntled users with hurt feelings due to mod actions or comments that do not violate the Moderation Rules will not be taken seriously. Nor will angry users who do not make the effort to document any Moderation Rule violations they present. Not even if there are a lot of angry or hurt users. That is just the culture of Voat. If you venture outside of v/pizzagate and complain about offensive speech instead of bad arguments or false information, you'll promptly hear "Fuck your fee-fees. Evidence or get the fuck out."

Please note that on June 7, 2017, Psychanaut on behalf of myself 5 additional Voat users who's identity I am protecting for now, have asked Vindicator to lodge a formal complaint against Millenial Falcon

I have not seen evidence that MF has abused his power, harassed or abused users (he rarely comments), or arbitrarily removed posts. Consequently, I will not be making any formal complaints.

@Disappointed @Kevdude @Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion

Following my reply, I received numerous DMs from Psychanaut claiming I was harassing her:

Psychanaut > Vindicator | Sent: 5 days ago on 6/9/2017 10:28:19 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

With 7 Voaters preparing this complaint, and counting, we feel we'll have enough. Thank you.

Vindicator > Psychanaut | Sent: 4 days ago on 6/10/2017 5:54:40 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

I hope you heard what I said. You could have 600 Voaters with hurt feelings. It won't get you anywhere unless you can set your feelings aside and provide evidence and documentation.

Psychanaut > Vindicator | Sent: 4 days ago on 6/10/2017 10:05:20 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

Are you harassing me?

Vindicator > Psychanaut | Sent: 3 days ago on 6/11/2017 6:28:23 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

Only in your imagination. I have copies of every conversation we've had, since the day I saw your first Quora post and reached out to help you figure out how to use Voat. My history speaks for itself.

That was my last reply to her and yet...

Psychanaut > Vindicator | Sent: 4 days ago on 6/10/2017 10:11:48 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

Just bear in mind, anything you do to intimidate or harass me or anyone involved in this-will go into the documentation I am preparing. And I hope you can hear me saying that to you now. This isn't about me. This is about you guys.

Psychanaut > Vindicator | Sent: 3 days ago on 6/11/2017 7:03:05 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

So you are harassing me. Keep it up. You're good cop/bad cop routine with MF is about to end.

Psychanaut > Vindicator | Sent: 3 days ago on 6/11/2017 7:10:03 AM Process for Filing a formal complaint for abuse

Maybe you should stop messaging me since I've already told you you are harassing me. Any rational person would have stopped by now. Perhaps you should take a step back and not attempt to bother myself or anyone involved in this, since we don't trust you any longer and because you keep messaging me about this. No one needs you to message about this, unless you feel you are personally involved. Are you? Does this concern you? Would you like it to? If not, then what is it you actually think you're doing?

Unless this concerns you directly, then you're not involved-unless you keep bothering me and interject yourself into this formal complaint process, in which case, you're guilty of harassment of someone who is making a formal complaint.

Is that what you want?

Is that what you are trying to do?

If not, then there is no reason for you to message me.

I'm telling you right now, I feel harassed by you.

If you continue past this point, then you have done so after my telling you formally that I perceive you as harassing me.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

This issue is far beyond my will to entertain it now.

I'm a-ok to consider any complaints about any mods, but this it is becoming clear that this is less about improving moderation standards and is much more about fee-fees.

I've been DM'd by Psychanaut over the last week or so and at no time did they indicate they were in communication with anyone else about this.

Part of my communication has text like:

What I'm looking for are clear cases of a moderator using the position to act against the interest of the community. This would be things like removal of a specific pattern of information, removal of posts made by a user due to a grudge relevant to a different verse, deletions to create drama etc.

And I can see from your comments we are in alignment on what we consider moderator abuse.
So far I've not seen anything that show unambiguously that M_F is a rogue mod, and so far I've taken no action in any direction.
I'm still open to evidence being presented, but given the drama festival going on about this I'm leaning towards doing nothing.

Psychanaut ago

This is not correct. Vindicator contacted me first. I only replied to to the messages initiated by Vindicator. Otherwise there would be no reason to tell anyone they were harassing me. Vindicator had by that time already messaged me 3 times past speaking with @VictorSteinerDavion, which is totally unessesary. Why would Vindicator even need to contact me at all about this issue. @VictorSteinerDavion, had already settled it with me-check the time stamps on all the messages. Vindicator got involved without being asked after @VictorSteinerDavion gave the protocols to me.

Why is Vindicator messaging me? There is no reason to. No other mod messaged me, so why is Vindicator sending me multiple messages about reporting MF? What possible other reason is there?

So, to correct your erroneous characterization-I replied to you that you were harassing me. I didn't seek out any contact with you past making contact with @VictorSteinerDavion. And I told you were harassing me. And yet you kept messaging me. It's called harassment.

Either this reporting of MF concerns you or it does not. No half measures. Either get all the way in, and come out of the closet as MF defender and join MF in the complaint, or leave, since this doesn't concern you. You can't have it both ways.

Your call.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

The PM's to moderators are not shared or visible to anyone apart from the person you send it to.

@Vindicator has no idea what you've said to me nor what my replies are.

This is part of the reason I prefer full public discussion about this - I didn't even know about this thread until I got pinged.

As for claims of harassment - I have a very specific and stern view of harassment. And I don't' see it here.
I know you consider frequent messages harassment, but you did DM a mod asking for action and then went quiet. It is not harassment when that Mod contacts you trying to resolve the issue in a quick manner.
Harassment is a form of abuse that unfortunately the definition of has been watered down so much lately it has lost it's value.

Are you? Does this concern you? Would you like it to? If not, then what is it you actually think you're doing?

Peppering someone with questions like this is harassment of a softer form - it's a cognitive assault that doesn't let the person being attacked respond and is often used to dis-empower people.
It's aggressive much in a similar way to someone standing way to close to you and pointing their finger in your face.
It's very difficult to feel happy about that being done to you - so don't expect support when you do it to others.

If you had told me @Vindicator was harassing you and showed me proof (to my standards of proof) I would have taken immediate action - but if you made the claim and your only support is what's happened here: I would evaluate you as a drama instigator and your cause would have been lost. All because of an eagerness to jump to accusatory and inflammatory words.

If you DM a mod requesting another Mod be banned, and then go quiet - don't act surprised when you get messages trying to deal with the issue.
In this case the correct path of action would have been to say to Vindicator that you were talking to me and Vindicator didn't' need to spend any more time on this.

I've known Vindicator as a community member and a moderator for a long while and I've never seen anything that would constitute a need for censure, and I've never received a complaint about them either.
Which considering the constant 'mods are shills' harassment that happens here is quite a refreshing surprise.

Reporting MF concerns ALL moderators and ALL moderators should be included in the communications - hence my repeated requests for a public discussion in the relevant subverse.
The entire question of harassment would have been avoided otherwise.

I will continue to participate in the inquisition of @Millennial_Falcon but be aware that there is a very high burden of proof on you as the accuser to demonstrate that MF has acted against the community.
Additionally, from this point forward I will only respond to publicly visible discussion - just remember to ping me in the comments when you make the post in v/pizzagatemods

Also, anyone threatening to post "once per day" would immediately be labelled by me as drama. And if I was a mod on protectvoat I would ban you for spamming.
It's not a useful technique to gain attention to a cause as all it does is take away the energy of the people that could help you.
Instead spend the time making a single, well articulated post detailing your case and allow the time for the community to participate.
Just like writing a high school essay, it can take time to craft up a post like that - patience is essential when dealing with these things, there are no fast resolutions.

This whole issue is clearly getting everyone's goat and emotions are getting in the way of the path to resolution.
I respectfully request all participants to make better efforts to dial down the emotional reactionary responses.
And if anyone want's me to do anything about this topic, it's not a request.

Psychanaut ago

"As for claims of harassment - I have a very specific and stern view of harassment. And I don't' see it here. I know you consider frequent messages harassment, but you did DM a mod asking for action and then went quiet. It is not harassment when that Mod contacts you trying to resolve the issue in a quick manner. Harassment is a form of abuse that unfortunately the definition of has been watered down so much lately it has lost it's value.

Are you? Does this concern you? Would you like it to? If not, then what is it you actually think you're doing?

Peppering someone with questions like this is harassment of a softer form - it's a cognitive assault that doesn't let the person being attacked respond and is often used to dis-empower people. It's aggressive much in a similar way to someone standing way to close to you and pointing their finger in your face. It's very difficult to feel happy about that being done to you - so don't expect support when you do it to others. "

YOU ARE A STUPID FUCKING CUNT.

Psychanaut ago

Me asking a series of 3 questions after being emailed 3 times after asking Vindicator to stop messaging me is ME harassing them?

You are literally the stupidest fucking person I have ever met. You are a lying piece of shit shill cunt. People like you make me sick. You are the people who turn perpetrators into victims.

I did nothing wrong and look at how you turned on me.

You are disgusting. People like you are why pizzagate exists in the first place. I can only imagine how you'd react to a child telling you they'd been molested by a buddy of yours.

You make me sick.

Psychanaut ago

"It's aggressive much in a similar way to someone standing way to close to you and pointing their finger in your face. It's very difficult to feel happy about that being done to you - so don't expect support when you do it to others. ""

This makes me fucking crack up.

Psychanaut ago

Go fuck yourself loser phony,

VictorSteinerDavion ago

And this is how you get ignored from this point forward.

Disappointed ago

Seems like you did all you could here, in my book. I notice they are still posting in v/pizzagate too so it's not like they are being singled out to the point of banning. This is resolved as far as I'm concerned.