ProtectVoat head mod for 3.5 years got his start knowingly using brigading, vote manipulation, and an outside group of users that wanted to push Voat to irrelevancy
No, I'm not kidding.
@kevdude knowingly used @BuilderAnon/@Electrolumus/@NucleoLumus/@Heru to consensus crack and manipulate Voat into behaving how they wanted Voat to behave.
I will prove this all to you below in the screenshots shared with me in mid October of last year:
On 9-14-2018:
@srayzie, lead mod of the up-and-coming /v/GreatAwakening received these PMs from @BuilderAnon.
Who is BuilderAnon? He's a user that supposedly crafted the @shebacle, uses programs and glitches on Voat, along with his private reddit mod buddies of /swampwatch to change the narrative HERE. On Voat. Here's a good rundown of him.
Highlights:
We have a common friend, Kevdude
3 years ago Kevdude my self[sic] and Scandinavian wrote a document we called the ProtectVoat Charter.
Using a bug in Voat I was able to take over AskVoat and control the contents of the new page keeping endless questions about moderation policy and examples of bad moderation covering the sub from top to bottom. By days end we managed to cover the entire home page with our posts and had completely taken over the site
WE used this as a way to found ProtectVoat and demand pollicy changed[sic] that protected us from bad moderation on default subverses
Emphasis on "WE" is mine. Anything bolded and caps-locked is my emphasis moving forward.
The above is pretty bad, if true. There's more. I wont' keep linking the same image this time. The following are from the image above until the next image link - format will continue throughout:
WE want to found ProtectFreedom, a Q focused ProtectVoat so we can forge a new charter that can teach them to gain power over their own community
Another charter forced upon users to adopt a ProtectVoat-like paradigm.
This is where a Trojan that I'll keep under my hat for now comes into play. To black box it, input he[sic] above community debate over rights and output a scaling of the conversation to 1.5-3 million voices.
Kevdude and I have ideas of how to make that occur.
Kevdude and I are aiming T+72 hours before we make any public signaling towards this goal. We are going to allow the moderators to destroy them selves[sic] them[sic] step into the power vacuum and teach the qmunity to lead it's[sic] self.
Ok, just assume any missspellings or grammar mistakes are this guy's. [sic] is getting pretty prevalent there.
So, he and kevdude PLANNED this attack and forced repeat of /v/ProtectVoat.
I've been finding swamp watch folks... telling them to go to ProtectVoat and become familiar and expect a place to congregate... They are akin to ProtectVoat for T_D and GA on _eddit.
Outside group being used as leverage.
We need only lead and support long enough for them to stand on their own.
We need only manipulate Voat long enough to ensure everyone is under our thumbs.
Voat today is what kevdude made it.
I'm a contributing engineer on qmap.pub
This is engineering consensus.
Voat today is engineered consensus. Think I'm lying?
I'm ElectroLumus, NucleoLumus, & Heru
Then WHEN KEVDUDE IS READY we begin to recruit
WE train folks. Organize them
made swamp watch to keep an eye on the communities... they've already come here
There are 1420 SOME ODD OF US at the time of the purge.
We have hidden high ground and can dismantle their plot if we figure out its trajectory and get ahead of it.
If something of the above doesn't seem important, remember engineering consensus.
QMaps owner is. I explained the plan about an internet bill of rights. WE'RE going to host the draft and cross link to the community drafting it when it comes time.
THEY are going to leverage the insane numbers of qmaps.pub to force a bill THEY write upon others. The guys that used underhanded tactics to force PV and its charter down our throats.
We totally devastated her account and she couldn't post while being head mod of a default sub.
Referencing @she.
To be quite honest there were worse mods than her but she attracted the most hate because of her attitude so she became the easiest target to make the mob gather.
Sounds like something I've seen recently. What do you think?
Then I disappeared and left Scan and Kevdude in charge.
They won't see us coming when we do come. QMap is massive in terms of users and eyeballs. It's the hidden highground.
Leveraging another site against the users in a disagreement here.
My role is to build things that endure.
Like PV, that was created with lies and manipulations.
We're trying the old recipe again
Trying to force something again on us like PV.
I'm a software engineer. My experience in social engineering yielded HWNDU season 4, #SendEmSalt, and ProtectVoat... we engineered the original debate
Sounds like as standup guy, that kevdude! Engineering problems to force solutions that are also engineered.
Now I'm going to rapidfire information and images because fuck this long ass post:
BuilderAnon says kevdude "saved" Voat", that he was a hardcore troll/shitposter, and that @she was targeted because she was an easy mark - sound like something recently that happened? He used every dirty tactic in the playbook, and describes consensus 'forming' (crackting). He states how he can rack up mass contribution points with relative ease. He supposedly handed over his chatlogs with qmap to @kevdude, and thinks of PV as his SLEEPER CELL and that he's entrenched here because of his "friendships".
BuilderAnon admits to targeting @9-11, and graphing things in far more detail than it seems @virge is (notice him getting attacked?) BuilderAnon shared some images of his Voat user mapping program, 12345. And he describes it as an graphing database app. 2
I know some of you are into that kind of thing, here BA accuses @kevdude of being pussy whipped by @srayzie, and admonishing her for not going along with his shady fuck bullshit. Another "WE have one mission." Posting from an alt account that supposedly doesn't belong to him but a group.
NOW FOR THE PAYDIRT:
@kevdude writes that EL(BuilderAnon) helped me with that takedown, and cautions @srayzie not to respond to him. Sound familiar @Trigglypuff? Kev asks again for srayzie to ignore EL, and claims to know BuilderAnon deleted his ElectroLumus account "so stuff couldn't be dredged up in defense of @she." He then asks @srayzie to delete her comments about BuilderAnon/Electrolumus so when he calms down he can help kev "map this guy out and figure out who he is".
Kevdude again tells srayzie to stand down and delete comments about builderanon. Kev admits he's dealing with 2 people he trusts which are BuilderAnon and Srayzie, calls BA an "ally". Calls him an ally again, and tells Srayzie he's worked with BA before. And again with his EL is an ally
Kev states that BA is good at spotting leaders and he laughs about @she's 10,000ccp getting dropped to the negatives. Then he goes on to admit the glitch BA talked about could game the system votes, then talks tough about burning some mod accounts into the ground and them needing to fill out captchas.
CONCLUSION:
BuilderAnon, working with the private Reddit subverse Swamp Watch, conspired to engineer consensus and exploit bugs for votes here on Voat, with not only the cooperation of, but the blessing of @kevdude. And it has happened once already.
BIG QUESTIONS:
Why are they doing this social engineering? To what end? Why would two regular guys with jobs and RW lives go to this much trouble? Is there some reason they might want to make sure Voat has no strong moderators?
Can we link any of this to Kev's documented lies to shed light on what the agenda might be?
Maybe some of you fine folks will be able to answer those questions.
Any questions?
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Ps4Freedom ago
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EyeOfHorus ago
@crensch @kevdude @zyklon_b are all faggots. Your shit is so minuscule, unimportant. All vying to be king (or queen cause you're fags) of an ant colony in the middle of fucking Palmerston island.
zyklon - Trump is a kike cock sucker. You want zionist masters or NWO masters? You're still a fucking slave either way.
kevdud - i thought i wasted too much time on voat. WOW I know u.
crench - fuck is wrong with you? you're not autistic you're an addict. I dare you to stay off all forums or comment sections etc for 3 months cold turkey. bet you can't. prove me wrong pussy.
Keep making entries in the eDiary while life passes you by.
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sguevar ago
Took me some time to read all this. Quite tiring to say the least but my position is also similar to @PeaceSeeker.
I don't support the doctrine of the "end justifies the means" and though I may understand why people kept this information until they saw it fit to put it out in what seems to be a personal vendetta, I find it to be hard to trust even if I am familiar with how you work.
You may think my ideals are pure shit, and that you had to change to ways to approach things (your axioms and principles as you stated before) but I didn't disagree with your notion that something was wrong here at Voat and that it needs to be worked at. I disagreed with your approach. Why? Because you know there are fairly reasonable and trustworthy users here at Voat that you could have consulted with and initiated the dialogue. Probably not me, and I honestly don't care if I wasn't, but you know there are a bunch of them you do.
Right now, I think that v/PV needs to take a different approach. It not only needs more mods that can assist on the vigilance but also a more informative role to the community. For we can't take the sole responsibility to protect Voat as it is a community effort.
This is why even though I agree to a certain extent with the limitations that the moderators should have, the users are the ones to be informed about the dangers of using a public internet forum. And the ways they can defend themselves from them.
The posts that PeaceSeeker did about Voat's rules were a very interesting read and I think is a good starting point for us to achieve what we all want: Closing the voids from which some users may take advantage to attack others, but keeping in mind the limitations we have and remaining objective to address them.
This may be some good ole "philosophical vomiting" as you have expressed yourself to my comments but in the end these are my beliefs. Like them or not, they remain what they are.
So as stated on my past posts about Protect yourself, I will be using a more informative approach on PV so Voat's users can be more vigilant and proactive themselves.
kestrel9 ago
@zyklon_b says @kevdude begged 'us' to troll rPV https://voat.co/v/Voat/3239483/18818143/10#18818143
from OP -
BuilderAnon says kevdude "saved" Voat"JPEG, that he was a hardcore troll/shitposter, and that @she was targeted because she was an easy mark -
http://archive.is/jphQo no negotiating, just cue the team with a silly power rangers video http://archive.is/jphQo
@kevdude will ask @zyklon_b and friends to troll a sub he doesn't like, because reasons
Kevdude and SBBH just lulz
So that was just more lulz on the way for rPV courtesy of PV asking SBBH to troll rPV. And that's just one way PV works /s but wait.. what about " you should have stayed out cause was only gonna last a couple days...NOW it ends when the new @she suicides"?
oh right, no negotiating with the people you playfully send to troll other subs. @crensch @peaceseeker @puttitout
Now zyklon_b has lulz with pics of murdered little girls so he can continue to taunt @srayzie about killing her kids, even after she stepped down from v/GreatAwakening She isn't doing the work of building up a great subverse for the benefit of her nearly 14,000 subscribers (see the sidebar of contributions she made), but Voat, under the protection of PV, still ensures that zyklon_b continues to get his lulz. Ain't free speech grand?! That's what we're fighting for!! /s
IMCHAD ago
PV Police
Crensch ago
Fucking stellar. Stole it and posted to PV.
GOnna make that subverse a stage for its own mockery.
SandHog ago
Yeah, that makes sense. I've been revisiting some of those old posts about BA that were made in v/GA. Interesting that BA deleted with his alts when that connection was made here. It also seems pretty clear that thisistotallynotme is the same person behind BA and associated accounts. After poking around a little more I just discovered that thisistotallynotme removed some comments in ProtectQRV 19 days ago. Which was right around the time this entire shitstorm kicked off.
I find it very telling that thisistotallynotme has not posted in 5 months yet suddenly decided to remove comments in ProtectQRV out of the blue. All three comments are referencing either srayzie or Putt in a positive light.
Thisistotallynotme is the only mod and the owner of that sub. Which means he never left and is still operating under yet more alts. The timing also coincides with the mods of QRV publishing Puttt's private DMs and making a backup sub on Poal (18 days ago). That was posted one day after the removal of the comments from ProtectQRV.
I don't think it is a huge stretch to conclude that the same person who is modding ProtectQRV is also a mod of QRV.
@PeaceSeeker @Dismember @Vindicator @argosciv @Crensch
Vindicator ago
Great digging, Sandhog. I've been wondering why the sudden trolling of srayzie erupted a couple of weeks ago. It had been pretty calm for awhile, until she started trying to prevent QRV from being shit-bombed. Makes you wonder if the new mod over there wants to drive normies off the site.
MadWorld ago
Back up for that video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/1idNNIC5thks/
IMCHAD ago
Notice how ThisIsTotallyNotMe is talking about the Internet Bill Of Rights, just like BuilderAnon did. Also, the subverse is called ProtectQRV. After v/ProtectFreedom fell thru, he posted that Srayzie should hand the keys over to trusted Q partners. That is on Page 21 on BuilderAnon’s comment history archive. It was posted here.
These 2 sound alike.
http://magaimg.net/img/8686.jpg
http://magaimg.net/img/8687.jpg
SandHog ago
It seems to me that the goal this entire time has been to gain control of v/GreatAwakening by either getting srayzie to go along with him/them or getting mods in place that would. Given the way Builderanon operates it seems like the best way for him/them to accomplish those goals would be to stir up chaos and pit everyone against each other. Which is what happened. It makes a lot of sense given the timeline and the intent to steer GA towards their goals, whatever those might be, if not directly control it.
MadWorld ago
So someone was supposed to take over the GA subverse amid the chaos. Perhaps, the outcome was unexpected.
Vindicator ago
LOL. I'd be willing to bet a cool grand that they didn't expect Crensch and what has since occurred.
SandHog ago
That's quite a read. Some serious gaslighting going on there. One thing that I am confused by is that in this message on 9/14/2018 @kevdude confirms that it was Electrolumus who was behind the Builderanon account. Then a month later in this message on 10/19/2018, after srayzie decided that she didn't want anything to do with Builderanon and started exposing him, kev starts suggesting that it might be someone else and urges her to remove her posts. Ten minutes later he says he is 50/50 on the identity of this person. Which doesn't make any sense given that in the prior message on 9/14/2018 Electrolumus confirmed his identity via a document they had worked on together and past interactions they had. That doesn't seem like something anyone could fake to me given that all of that stuff was 3+ years ago. So why start doubting his identity when srayzie decides it seems shady and starts to expose the manipulation?
Am I missing something here?
@PeaceSeeker @Dismember @Vindicator @argosciv
IMCHAD ago
You have stated several times that you don’t like the “Boomers” when Q is brought up.
HollaKost ago
Not Srayzie,
The only one I've seen is you!
What target? What's your target this time kevdude? You don't care about Q, you're using that movement to try and gain more control here. But please, tell me I'm wrong in your own words. Go....
kneo24 ago
I saw one of your other comment replies wondering the exact same thing, whether or not BA was full of shit. It's context that matters. That's important because it changes the narrative. It goes from you having always worked with BA to you maybe having worked with them in the past to now being unsure of who or what they are now.
I'm convinced you're guilty of the same things the majority of us are guilty of, for engaging in brigading tactics over the years which is known as the "immune system" here on Voat. I see no point in raking anyone over the coals for that.
argosciv ago
Correction: You didn't really do anything. Well, other than try to exploit the situation and contribute to the smear against Srayzie.
Most people were probably under the impression, and rightly so, that if they spoke out they would become the next target by Zyklon and co. Lo and behold, they've been trying to take jabs at me since I started speaking my mind too.
I've been involved in the background more than the foreground but have been quite clear about where I stand regardless.
That may be so, but this doesn't line up with your other behaviors regarding this matter.
NotHereForPizza ago
No way... I'm not builderanon or electroguy anymore?
But, yeah, we got told about kev quite some time ago. He's not much different than you faggot poser kids though. At least kev doesn't fall for obvious shill narratives.
Even if this isn't some manufactured division bullshit, you children are annoying as hell. Gothamgirl tried to pull me in to this shit too, but I've never cared about any of you enough to seriously apply anything.
Regardless, who the hell cares? We all know kev is a giagantic faggot, that he's desperate for attention and power. It's no surprise he and other reddit faggots conspired to pull some strings like a bunch of subversive faggots.
argosciv ago
Typical.
Goddamn scavenger. Shoo.
NotHereForPizza ago
What are you talking about? I'm a bird? What am I scavenging?
Crensch ago
Something to vomit into everyone else's faces.
NotHereForPizza ago
Huh? Is this some faggot reddit inside joke or something?
HollaKost ago
Here's what you don't seem to understand, no one cares about his modlog! Only you because you use fear mongering of "muh reddit power mods" as a means to enable you to maintain status as king power mod! It's brilliant really, except people can read voats TOS and know the rules of using voat without having to tolerate a bully like you forcing your will upon them!
argosciv ago
Look at the 2 posts that @Crensch made.
Let's do a bit of arbitrary, but I think fair, math on the votes -- based on value at the time of this comment.
https://archive.fo/dSc40 (Part 1)
https://archive.fo/9Hy2e (Part 2)
Considering they're 2 parts to the one "post", let's combine the values for a fair overlook.
Upvotes:
Downvotes:
'Ratio':
Part 1 & 2 combined = 29 is 15.104166666667% of 192; Approximately 85% upvoted and approximately 15% downvoted.
Part 1 specifically = 33 is 15.420560747664% of 214; Approximately 85% upvoted and approximately 15% downvoted.
Part 2 specifically = 24 is 13.872832369942% of 173; Approximately 86% upvoted and approximately 14% downvoted.
But yes, "nobody seemed to care". Of course.
Crensch ago
Like the zero zyklon posts you've made? Why did everyone care about your srayzie post, kevdude? Because she was chosen? You think it doesn't look like you have an agreement at the very least with the SBBH folks?
When have I given a shit about you talking about my modlog? Distract from it? I'd make a PV post on it myself if your reputation hadn't been ruined.
He's an ally. He manipulates votes. He's a good guy. He helped me before.
Kek.
And everything about that was so much horseshit. You could have mentioned that specifically to her; why didn't you? You trusted her to mod PV, right?
You are just so incredibly full of shit dude.
Crensch ago
@PeaceSeeker @Vindicator @hollakost @argosciv
He responded above.
argosciv ago
Jah, already saw. See my response which I pinged you to.
@Vindicator @PeaceSeeker
kneo24 ago
I'm not going to harp on a few things here, as Peaceseeker's words adequately surmise how I feel.
I noticed this a few months after being here, and I think anyone with their eyes open see it too. It doesn't even have to be stuff pertaining to this. The front page is full of it. The manufactured consensus is what I believe is Voat's biggest issue. There's too many untrustworthy accounts that clearly admit to not giving any fucks about the facts they post, because it appears Voat will upvote anything as long as it conforms to a narrative. How much of that is sock puppet activity?
Who being a hypocrite over what is small potatoes and hardly worth the time investment anymore. This post however speaks to a much larger issue.
The burning question, how much of this real (in regards to BA) and not just some dipwad making themselves seem more important than they already are?
Crensch ago
I don't really think more than kev confirming he knew about BA manipulating a bug for votes is needed as far as kevdude is concerned. The rest of it?
Kevdude seemed convinced of BA's abilities.
argosciv ago
Maybe later when I'm not so hungover >_<
Crensch ago
Given the information above, maybe @kevdude has the answer to his question finally. She was chosen. She wasn't the worst, she was an example.
zyklon_b ago
she was the worst and a vote was taken
Maggotbait88 ago
i have a headache rn but ill try to read it later thx for post
CerealBrain ago
Why the Zyklon faggot deleted a muh free speech comment, what the hell?
I swear that flaming retard is jealous.
Crensch ago
Maybe you could ask kevdude to make a PV post over it?
Or maybe he'll just ask nicely in a comment for him to stop.
CerealBrain ago
Seen enough of his shit now.
I know, seen that.
WordCorrector ago
This is information overload.
IMCHAD ago
The ones they recruited are flocking in. Good to note.
IMCHAD ago
Here’s a toast @Kevdude
IMCHAD ago
MESSAGE FROM TRUMP
IMCHAD ago
BOMBSHELL NEWS
Gothamgirl ago
So you are also @Vibratron?
HollaKost ago
Are you aloud to make such accusations!?
http://magaimg.net/img/874u.png
All is satire
Vibratron ago
also what?
IMCHAD ago
Is your vibrator on?
All is satire!
ScrubbinOutOldBlue ago
1438 TRUFE
Crensch ago
Fucking stellar.
Crensch ago
Let's all take a moment and laugh at some of @kevdude's recent comments:
OH the hypocrisy! No actions taken against zyklon? When did you EVER take action against him? The trolls piled right alongside you as you attacked srayzie for modding, and shizy for standing up to zyklon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAdies
resurrectsHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAdies again
gabara ago
DON'T BAN ME CAP'N @CRENSCH
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JackHoff ago
This had nothing to do with the Q movement, or v/GreatAwakening, and instead had everything to do with what they thought was an opportunity to weasle in and seize more control of voat.
kevdude is a bottom feeder.
Crensch ago
Yeah. It does suggest that Srayzie/shizy were targeted specifically, though. By multiple parties.
If Neon wasn't part of BA, then kev makes 3. Then there's the qmap people that BA influenced, so 4.
And kev's hit crew of shitposters here went full-on against them, too. I doubt that was a coincidence. Especially with BA describing kev as some megashitposter. It's obvious that /v/kevdude is an alt of the real shitposting username in those subs.
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zyklon_b ago
upvoted
RockmanRaiden ago
Moonanites!
gabara ago
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zyklon_b ago
u win
HollaKost ago
http://magaimg.net/img/860p.jpg
gabara ago
putt made it so all my text is bold now
zyklon_b ago
u is the next me??
gabara ago
stahp
zyklon_b ago
downvote?
gabara ago
whut?
zyklon_b ago
neva leave SBBH again bro.
HollaKost ago
Neva leave gothamhoe, she buys da drugz!
http://magaimg.net/img/85hj.jpg
Diggernicks ago
For fucks sake
Get a hobby besides crying oceans on the internet
thelma ago
3 1/2 yrs ago ?
Thats that 100,000,000 yrs ago in internet time.
Crensch ago
You see that, @kevdude? I can use flairs, too, only I don't use them to hide my shame when people call me out for legitimate bullshit.
"Possible disinfo" "metadrama"
Kek.
Crensch ago
"But why didn't you come forward with this long ago?"
Why didn't I tell anyone before? Truth is, I'm lazy. I didn't want to have to work. I'm an ends-justify-the-means kind of guy, and I agree with @scandinavian that free speech only works on even playing ground. At the time, I believed PV at a disadvantage and thought "fuck it", "gotta defend this place, if that's how it started, I don't care, it's right, and I'll just not rock this boat."
I'm lazy. I'm so fucking lazy it's stupid. I don't like getting riled up, but I love it when I'm there, and can work tirelessly on minutiae others would ignore. I like just attacking the random faggot that would choke to death if he presented any logos. I do NOT like getting riled up to put tons of work in like I've had to the past couple weeks.
Kev finally fucked up so badly that I woke up and started wondering what the fuck I was protecting. I realized I was on the wrong side, and it took me over a week to finally calm my fucking mind down and see where this was all headed. I saw plenty of paths for me to be destroyed along with him and PV. If this is one of them, so be it. I'll happily get thrown into a pit of hell if I can drag his ass, and PV, with me.
ExpertShitposter ago
gay
zyklon_b ago
#1990
CerealBrain ago
@zyklon_b
Where is your babe @Gothamgirl?
HollaKost ago
http://magaimg.net/img/860p.jpg
She busy buyin da druhgz
CerealBrain ago
make me jelly sheeeeit
1965
HollaKost ago
Should be 280!
http://magaimg.net/img/85gn.jpg
CerealBrain ago
pretty much says it all
when she sit around the house, she sit AROUND the house
PuttitoutIsGone ago
Srayzie's here too? Everybody showing up for this party.
CerealBrain ago
Who the hell are you calling Srayzie?
ExpertShitposter ago
1 600000000000 990
yeah
zyklon_b ago
just like the old days when beatle and expie was voat police
HollaKost ago
Now use jus a degenerate addic n sheitt!
ExpertShitposter ago
swat
zyklon_b ago
die anyways
mind blown
CerealBrain ago
muh pitbulls, muh nazi tats, muh chub girl
CerealBrain ago
Try not to be so gay mkay?
ExpertShitposter ago
↑↑↑ gay ↑↑↑
thelma ago
Second !
2nd is always better than first, contrary to popular belief.
ExpertShitposter ago
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG-Xs7mBwU
thelma ago
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s
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Crensch ago
@Vindicator @think- @PeaceSeeker @MolochHunter @Sandhog
PuttitoutIsGone ago
How come you never ping me?
HollaKost ago
@PuttitoutisGone
Pinged!
PuttitoutIsGone ago
Thx man
HollaKost ago
No problemo! I'll ping you everyday so we can stay in touch.
PuttitoutIsGone ago
Deal
Crensch ago
Who are you?
PuttitoutIsGone ago
Who the fuck are you?
Crensch ago
@argosciv @heygeorge @gabara @Rainy-Day-Dream @dismembered
Crensch ago
@sguevar @bopper @virge @puttitout @cynabuns
Crensch ago
@kestrel9 @clamhurt_legbeard @d0c5 @insanegoatposse
Crensch ago
@kneo24 @Caveman_in_a_suit @Glory_Beckons @CameraCode0 @CognitiveDissident5
Caveman_in_a_suit ago
I just got back from a 30 hour road trip, and am too befuddled to follow all this - but will read it on the morrow