I was arrested one time.. (GreatAwakening)

submitted ago by Jonny_Ninja

...and I didn't get shot.

You know why?

BECAUSE I DID WHAT THE COP TOLD ME TO DO.

It's not complicated, really.

If you get pulled over, place your hands on the steering wheel, or better yet roll down the window, put them out of the window, and keep them there until the cop asks you to provide whatever documents he/she asks for. Then slowly retrieve said documents.

Really, really, really fucking simple.

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KingVindbarr ago

Are you White?

greatheart ago

If you REALLY want to get the question right ask this. Do you know who your father is and did he help raise you.

I bet you will find a direct correlation between kids that grew up without a father figure and kids that do not respect authority. Who then go on to do stupid things.

Of course there are exceptions but that would be closer to the truth.

Jonny_Ninja ago

Of course there's a correlation, dare I say a causation.

But we can't talk about that. Remember, it's all the cops' fault.

greatheart ago

:)

KingVindbarr ago

Probably. This entire conversation appears to have been a waste of time, however. I don't get the hostility.

greatheart ago

The hostility is because it is getting a little insane. Everyone knows what the problem is. Black people are NO different than White people or any other color people.

Inner city blacks have been convinced that they are different than other people. that combined with welfare that gives enough to survive but discourages any thoughts of getting out. Welfare that pays only if you have a broken family. The KKK and the Democrat party are still playing their games.

Nukeisrael ago

You’re retarded. Race is not just skin color. Fuck off civnat garbage.

greatheart ago

I adopted two biracial kids. They are no different than any other kids. Take your crap to the Dems. You are talking their language.

Nukeisrael ago

Wait until they are 25 retard.

breitbartfan2 ago

Color doesn't matter if one follows Chris Rock's tips on how not to get your ass kicked by the police.

KingVindbarr ago

True. I think we both understand what I was attempting to illustrate.

RedHed ago

And just think... we had this entire conversation back and forth, sharing our own opinions and neither of us sunk into hatred. Thank you for the honest discussion.

KingVindbarr ago

Unfortunately, it would appear everyone else in this thread has a bone to pick. I just don't get the hostility. I was merely expressing an opinion based on my own personal observations and so many people just wanted to yell at me instead of helping me see why they disagree.

I clearly am not welcome here. That's unfortunate. I won't return, probably.

USA_USA_USA ago

Stay awhile. Get thicker skin. Don't pussy out. Who knows, you may just learn a thing or two and that's the whole point. Knowledge.

RedHed ago

I welcome you. We can all have our own opinions and have discussion. Just as there are some extreme left/extreme right. Some bad people in all walks of life. Doesn't mean we are all bad. Come back.

KingVindbarr ago

Review the rest of this dialogue and then tell me if you'd come back. It's not exactly welcome to free thought, or me sharing my own personal experience that contradict what others declare to be absolute truth.

If I am forced to be called a liar for my own personal experiences, without any explanation, reason, or evidence as to why I'm wrong - then this is not the right place for me to be, it would be filled with frustration and anxiety.

Thank you, though..

RedHed ago

I understand completely, but I would hope that you would give the rest of us another chance. That is all. My account is only a week old.

Jonny_Ninja ago

Yes we all understand what you're attempting to illustrate, and we reject it.

Thanks for playing.

KingVindbarr ago

You can reject reality, but unless you help me understand why you're rejecting reality, all you've done is illustrate you prefer fantasy over reality. I'm open minded and all ears, and so far you've just been extremely hostile. I don't get it. This definitely isn't a welcoming place.

Jonny_Ninja ago

"You can reject reality"

That's rich.

XSS1337 ago

8 month old account ?

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

Account age shit is faggot tier

XSS1337 ago

26 DAY OLD ACCOUNT EVERYBODY.

Fuck off back to your leftist shithole you call home soyboy.

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

looks like 'everybody' doesn't care you worthless chode.

XSS1337 ago

Keep replying kike.

Your people will burn for crimes against humanity

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

You'll do nothing, cuck. I'm probably more European than you are.

XSS1337 ago

Hahahahaha yes I love it

Keep going jew.

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

...

:)

XSS1337 ago

Perfect response

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

keep crying faggot

XSS1337 ago

You will burn for your masters I spin the pages of the Talmud that proclaim non Jews to be goyim slaves

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

You won't do shit, and even if you do, I'm not a kike so I couldn't care less about your empty faggy threats you weak cuck.

XSS1337 ago

Ahh yes , let the hate flow through you ....

ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago

this is pity.

XSS1337 ago

This is great fuel for me.

You are a genetic failure and the world knows what your people have done.

Tick tock

KingVindbarr ago

3 year old account..?

XSS1337 ago

Yup.

Fuck off back to your leftist masters dog.

KingVindbarr ago

I don't get it. How'd I offend you?

XSS1337 ago

I will tell you in about 99 posts

KingVindbarr ago

Huh?

XSS1337 ago

You heard me

Jonny_Ninja ago

Is it relevant?

Regardless of my race, he would have shot me if I gave him a reason to. But I didn't.

You're asking the wrong question to begin with.

Maybe if you start asking "so what happened from the time you were pulled over to the time you were shot", you might notice a pattern.

KingVindbarr ago

Is it relevant?

Serious question? Ivory tower, or some other reason you'd ask this? Do you believe the police in the US treat all races equally? Even the FBI admits this.

hwong ago

Do you think all races treat the police the same way? Even the FBI admits this....

BigFatDaddys ago

You've missed the point entirely.

hwong ago

Have I?, maybe its you who's missed the point....

mark7 ago

I imagine there is some correlation between white drivers (and POC drivers) when it comes to possible violent interactions? Because every cop does not hate blindly. So it is a socio-economic byproduct of downtrodden culture, a threat is a threat. If your hands WERE up, no one WANTS to shoot ANYONE.

KingVindbarr ago

I bet you're right. I'm not trying to really drive that point in, just an observation I think we can all accept in regards to race and interactions with police. Of course there are reasons why they handle Whites with "white gloves", so to speak.. merely making sure we're intellectually honest about it from both angles. Maybe I shouldn't bother.

Jonny_Ninja ago

Again, go test for yourself. Videotape it, too. I've already tested it. I've also seen others test it. So instead of dealing in hypothetical bullshit, go into the real world and test some real shit.

Step 1) get pulled over for speeding

Step 2) Do as I instructed in my original post

Step 3) analyze what happens

That's your "control".

Next, try it again with some slight differences:

Step 1) get pulled over

Step 2) don't comply with the officer, and in fact, talk shit to the officer

Step 3) analyze what happens

The beauty of this test is that anyone of any race can try it!

If you live through it, come back and tell us what you learned (if anything).

Podingo7 ago

It is a fact, 4x more white people are shot by cops each year than blacks..i don't accept the premise you putting forth, in regards to blacks and interaction with police. We need to stop giving sermons on police bias, when actual data says different , and start preaching compliance to officers commands..

KingVindbarr ago

Sermons on police bias? The reality is that police bias exists, and ignoring that reality just puts us in a bad situation to argue fantasy in the face of reality.

I'll repeat; I'm attempting to illustrate that if you take a white guy, a black guy, and a mexican guy and all other circumstances such as vehicle, dress, and behavior are identical - you cannot tell me you actually believe the California Highway Patrol will treat all 3 of them the same as the Kentucky State Trooper. This is my argument in it's entirely. It's not complicated. It's not nuanced. It's simple observation. Please help me understand where we disagree, and how.

Podingo7 ago

How long have you been an LEO , that you can put forth such observational truths? What is the basis of your conclusion, other than what media tells you? There can't be more white people shot and have LEO being biased towards blacks, at the same time( the argument doesn't hold water...its quiet simple, dont break the law and you probably wont come in contact..if you do break the law, treat the officer with respect first, and they will treat you in kind..

mark7 ago

Unless you drive a Govt. car, I doubt there are white gloves used on "white drivers". (Most Highway Patrol R arrogant dix to EVERYONE.) I can appreciate accuracy re: info. But the hyperbole spouted on a constant basis, makes cogent discussion irrelevant. There IS no middle ground. El Deguello

KingVindbarr ago

Let me try again. I'm attempting to illustrate that if you take a white guy, a black guy, and a mexican guy and all other circumstances such as vehicle, dress, and behavior are identical - you cannot tell me you actually believe the California Highway Patrol will treat all 3 of them the same as the Kentucky State Trooper. This is my argument in it's entirely. It's not complicated. It's not nuanced. It's simple observation. Please help me understand where we disagree, and how.

mark7 ago

White people (generally!) don't carry knives, join gangs, carry firearms illegally, or transport drugs for a living. Immigrants and POC do so, on a higher per capita basis. Enhanced risk=enhanced readiness. That is just the way it is. If the driver responded as required, and was not a physical threat, he will not be harmed, regardless of who they R, by the rank and file. Assholes always exist, but if you rumble with a cop, you deserve what you get. If you don't, it should not be a problem. Cops can smell a felon, and that is who usually resists, and gets got. The price of a regulated society. How do you explain black cops, accused of such, they hate themselves? Or they know where the true threat is? It is not nuanced, and it IS simple. Don't act the fool, don't go to skool. Black, white, red, yellow, orange or purple.

KingVindbarr ago

I don't understand. I gave you a scenario and you ignored it completely and went into a different set of criteria that I agree with you completely on.

mark7 ago

Cuz I don't buy your premise. Most of the peeps killed by cops asked for it. They were criminals who broke the law, and tried to fight arrest. Cops stop who/when they want. If you are not wanted, breaking the law, or a criminal in the act, wtf cares if you get pulled over? More excuses, imo.

Jonny_Ninja ago

I believe that police are probably more suspect of certain races, and that's because...wait for it..THE STATS JUSTIFY IT.

See that's the thing about numbers. They don't give a fuck about your feelings.

Bottom line: when people play stupid games, they win stupid prizes. Anyone of any race has re choice of whether or not to play stupid games. If people of certain races choose over and over again to play stupid games, they should evaluate that choice insteas of claiming that the rules of the game are the problem.

Again, not complicated. You can try to make it complicated if you want, but that's your problem, not mine.

KingVindbarr ago

Dunno. Sounds to me like we're saying the same thing, we just tap danced around it.

Jonny_Ninja ago

I don't know how you could come to that conclusion, but whatever works for you.

You're free to test my theory. It's really easy to test.

Step 1) get pulled over for speeding

Step 2) Do as I instructed in my original post

Step 3) analyze what happens

That's your "control".

Next, try it again with some slight differences:

Step 1) get pulled over

Step 2) don't comply with the officer, and in fact, talk shit to the officer

Step 3) analyze what happens

The beauty of this test is that anyone of any race can try it!

If you live through it, come back and tell us what you learned (if anything).

KingVindbarr ago

So you're of the position that all things being equal (behavior, etc), a White person and a Black person or Mexican person will be handled the same way by CHP in California? Or KHP in Kentucky?

I don't agree. There is enough evidence that I can readily access that suggests there are significant variables based on environment and skin color, regardless of how you behave.

Jonny_Ninja ago

There is enough evidence to suggest that certain people choose not to comply. If you want to make excuses for them, then that's your prerogative. But no one around here is buying what you're selling.

Jonny_Ninja ago

I already answered this question. I can't do anything about your reading comprehension.

Move along, we're done here.

KingVindbarr ago

But you didn't answer my question at all. You've ignored it entirely. You're arguing something I don't even disagree with.

I'm attempting to illustrate that if you take a white guy, a black guy, and a mexican guy and all other circumstances such as vehicle, dress, and behavior are identical - you cannot tell me you actually believe the California Highway Patrol will treat all 3 of them the same as the Kentucky State Trooper. This is my argument in it's entirely. It's not complicated. It's not nuanced. It's simple observation. Please help me understand where we disagree, and how.

Jonny_Ninja ago

If each of the three comply, they will all be treated appropriately 99% of the time. Again, not complicated.

The problem is that you assume each of the three would comply, but the stats don't bear that out.

Also, before the cop even walks up to the door, he/she likely has your rap sheet pulled up on the computer.

No rap sheet and you comply, you'll be fine 99% of the time.

I'm not saying there are no bad cops. They exist. The problem right now is the narrative that most or even a significant number of cops are bad.

If you have a rap sheet, then the cop will be that much more suspicious of you when he/she walks to your car. Which is all the more reason not to do anything to cause a potentially fatal reaction..so like, reaching for a fucking knife, for example.

Should I also explain how to tie your shoes? Serious question. You seem to have a problem understanding concepts that most 5 year olds have mastered.

KingVindbarr ago

Sorry, but I have personal experience with police in CA and KY and you are lying, ignorant, or both. I appreciate your feedback, but you've chosen to live in a fantasy land and I cannot fix that.

Jonny_Ninja ago

"you've chosen to live in a fantasy land"

More projection. Color me shocked.

RedHed ago

Does it matter?

steelgnat ago

yes

KingVindbarr ago

Of course it does.

RedHed ago

The only thing that really matters is if you are doing something wrong. If you aren't doing anything wrong, it should not matter. Unless you have done bad things previously so that the police already have that idea about you in which case, you should really do exactly as they say.

KingVindbarr ago

If you aren't doing anything wrong, it should not matter

In a perfect world, I imagine you'd be right. In reality, however..

Lonegunman65 ago

You do know that if you’ve had prior arrests and a record the police are going to know that don’t you? I suspect that’s the difference you might see. Given a white, black and hispanic with no prior arrests or warrants the vast majority of cops are going to treat them the same.

KingVindbarr ago

I understand. I'm attempting to illustrate that if you take a white guy, a black guy, and a mexican guy and all other circumstances such as vehicle, dress, and behavior are identical - you cannot tell me you actually believe the California Highway Patrol will treat all 3 of them the same as the Kentucky State Trooper. This is my argument in it's entirely. It's not complicated. It's not nuanced. It's simple observation. Please help me understand where we disagree, and how.

Lonegunman65 ago

So, what’s your assumption? That the CHP are racists or Kentucky State Troopers are racists?

RedHed ago

The are good and bad people in every line of work. I suspect you already know that and I would hope that you know the majority of police are very good people. If you don't know that, then hopefully you know that many of them put their own lives on the line every day to protect people and to serve them. I do believe that being subjected to a certain type of person on a regular basis can cause that person to take on some of those characteristics. Thus becoming the bad person themselves, but I do not believe that all police are bad or even that very many are bad. They are overworked, they are disrespected and they still get up every day and put that uniform on and serve.

KingVindbarr ago

I'm attempting to illustrate that if you take a white guy, a black guy, and a mexican guy and all other circumstances such as vehicle, dress, and behavior are identical - you cannot tell me you actually believe the California Highway Patrol will treat all 3 of them the same as the Kentucky State Trooper. This is my argument in it's entirely. It's not complicated. It's not nuanced. It's simple observation. Please help me understand where we disagree, and how.

XSS1337 ago

Downvoat him and destroy his account.

KingVindbarr ago

I suppose I deserve it.

XSS1337 ago

Go back to Israel.