Originally I believed the official story, but I kept seeing these "recommended" videos on youtube claiming to debunk it. And at some point I watched a video by Mark Dice where he claimed to debunk the debunkers. Eventually I said to myself, "fuck taking people's word for it, I'm going to figure this out on my own, I'm going to prove that it happened."
After about 3 months, I'd watched every second of coverage of the event, every interview with every "survivor", every "family member", everything.. literally everything. I read the coroners report, the analysis of the DNA collected. I watched the helicopter footage, backwards and forwards, in slowmo and in fastmo. And after those three months, I found ZERO evidence of anything happening. Nothing. NOTHING. It didn't happen. It was 100% theatrics. Not 90%, not 50%, 100%.
I was saying the previous paragraph in the same post was sarcasm, moron. I know it was obvious, but I tried to explain it because I thought you might be an idiot, but apparently I over estimated you.
You haven't researched shit. You can barely read. Just shut up, and let the grown ups talk.
Jews are disgusting parasites. They do this to try and scare anyone else from speaking out. fuck them. Sandy Hoax was a jewish op with lots of jewish actors.
No it's probably like that case where someone offered money to anyone who could prove the Holocaust happened. A guy took him to court and said "everyone knows it happened" and a judge awarded him the money.
Probably the Dad has a document, like a death certificate, and it's all the judge required.
I often think these stories are PURPOSELY fake to send a warning to people like US... Think about it... they get some (((person))) to over exaggerate and get to the point of HARASSING the "victims." "Victim" sues the (((perpetrator))) of the (((hate crime))) and it sends a clear message to the rest of the world to NOT question the media's reality...
I spent years on researching on things like 9/11, Sandy Hooks, JFK and others. One thing I know for certain, there are no coincidences. Everything is planned and executed. Sometimes they are some slips (freudian to name one)... intentional or not. But they are.
Yesterday I was banned from r/news for this comment:
Where are the children? We've never seen pictures of the children. I'm talking about the LIVE children. According to whichever filthy lying media you choose to believe there were either 450 or 600 children attending the school that day, yet we're only shown two staged pictures of 15-20 kids walking across the parking lot with their eyes closed. Where are all those other kids? They didn't show up in dash-cam videos or helicopter footage from that day. Where are their 900 to 1200 parents? How come we never hear from them? Why aren't THEY filing lawsuits? Edit: Downvotes, but no answers. I see the hive-mind doesn't appreciate critical thinking. Commence name-calling.
Moderator's given reason for ban?
Troll elsewhere.
I replied to the moderator:
Asking a legitimate question is not trolling.
Then I was blocked from contacting the mod team for 72 hours. Fuck reddit.
Reddit is an israeli ran website and they fight to keep the jewish lies alive. There are israelis who are paid and stationed at many places on the web, including wikipedia.
"Religion" is a word for retarded people raised by a shit public school system. There is Christianity and then there is that other shit. Stop being a smug cunt and come over to the light. Atheism is for people who think they are their own gods
I won't stop trying to wake people up. If I speak out to 20 people, but only one "gets it", that's one more than we had before...and one more who will red pill others.
Spoken like someone with no children and no real responsibility in the world...you are pissing in the wind; the way to win is HYPER local, not global. Quit porn, start gardening and join a church.
Typical boomer...kids aren't for bragging rights or your own personal gratification you gross piece of shit. Guess how many cocks your daughter sucked in that liberal college that you "paid" for and how many cocks your wife took while you were "working" paying for it?
Let me save you the time, that is a rhetorical question and you can google what that means, fuck ass
You just keep exposing your retarded boomer ideals...bomb anything better than me or that I can't understand. Please give my condolences to your wife and gay children you disgusting faggot
If you paid more attention here you would know that is probably a treatment already and probably reduces aging effects. For you to go there unprompted is pretty gay
(A) We saw 2 staged pictures of children allegely at the crime scene, and those two pictures are readily available online. (B) My comment is about not hearing from or seeing ANY of the alleged 450 - 600 students or their 900 - 1200 parents since that day. Just a handful of parents of the alleged victims, and it's usually (as again in this case) Rabbi Lenny P. Osner. Twathorn.
Why didn't he present that at his trial? I mean, there were people spotted in an area where trees grow! Someone connected to the school had workers move supplies and equipment into the halls while they worked on the classrooms! What more proofs do people need?
His book shows the evidence that the school wasnt even open. All school require to keep all memeos from staff. He requested a FOIA of any and all memos, he was told there is none. So either the school operated illegally, or wasnt open.
So ask yourself, what is the probability that these five claims (if we also include the missing names, ages and sex from the final report) would be true if Sandy Hook had been a real event?
Not zero. It's interesting to see how cognition varies among different groups of people, but I've seen no convincing evidence that it was faked. It's all conjecture, and inference. The question I ask myself is why are the "no SH deaths" people unable to come up with any solid evidence? It's all stuff like the cars being parked "the wrong way". I've seen a number of anomalous situations and circumstances in my time, so I remain skeptical.
I didn't watch any of the Sandy Hook coverage at the time, and have little interest in the actual shooting. It's the "everything is fake" people that I find fascinating. (no man in space, no space!, no nukes, no sphere earth, and etc.) Sometimes. Trying to tease something real out of them can get tedious, though. Mainly, I suspect it's people who've had no formal training in logic, and/or how to form accurate conclusions.
I personally have no definite opinion on whether the shooting happened as advertised. I tend to think faking it would create too much ACTUAL evidence that would rapidly be exposed, but all I see is internet hype. On the other hand, flooding the internet with fake theorists spouting wacky claims might be an effective coverup...
Maybe have a look at some documentaries before passing judgement. A lot have been made, containing lots of evidence. There's pictures from the day before (where they were practicing the 'shooting'), there's video of people walking around in circles, there's crisis actor comparisons, there's photos of children that don't exist, not to mention that the school was closed at the time (lots of evidence of that, including no internet connection for years, mold on walls and floors, broken pavements)... have a look into it. It didn't happen.
Is there one that cuts right to the chase, and follows many of the conventions of logic? Last time, someone linked a 3.75 hour video... I'm thinking one could lay out their entire case in 5 - 10 minutes, just going down their list with a brief explanation and justification for each point.
I'm not sure tbh, that long one is the best... goes into a lot of detail about every aspect of the hoax. Trying to search for info is futile, it's hidden so deep it's frustrating.
the problem is this sets a precedent like how you can't question the holocaust in germany. no need to prove something, it's just illegal to question because reasons
He has a legal death certificate, which is all the legal proof he needed. The guy claiming he faked the death certificate is the one who needed proof of his allegations. Since all he had was conjecture, the jury pretty much had to agree with the defamation claim.
When I've asked the no real life people for evidence to support their claim that "no kids were killed" at the SH school, that's all I got too. People seen in the woods! Free houses for everyone! Workers moved school equipment and supplies out of the work area! Seriously? I've briefly looked into some of that stuff, and found nothing of interest in the content that could match the unusual nature of the theorists themselves. While it mostly just results in 'poor' results, flawed cognition can be a fascinating topic. Why did the man mistake his wife for a hat? What causes people to disbelief in events that happen outside the range of their own senses and perceptions?
Defamation, liable, and slander are not covered. In this particular case the judge either had to rule as he did or rule that at least one death certificate issued for a victim was forged. No way he was ruling the latter so he ruled the former. This is to ensure anyone who questions the narrative at all is shut down quickly.
Rellik88 ago
Read the book goats.
http://www.chemtrailplanet.com/PDF/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf
Nosferatjew ago
That's just it though, 99.9% of people will never really look into it.
FriedChicken ago
I did, and I found nothing to make me believe it was a lie.
The pictures of dead kids unfortunately (fortunately) aren't publicly available.
What on earth are you people reading to suggest Sandy Hook is a lie?
Heathcliff ago
Kind of like you
Nosferatjew ago
Except not like me at all, because I spent months on end looking into it. That's how I know it was a full blown hoax.
Heathcliff ago
Sure you did
Nosferatjew ago
Yup, I did.
Originally I believed the official story, but I kept seeing these "recommended" videos on youtube claiming to debunk it. And at some point I watched a video by Mark Dice where he claimed to debunk the debunkers. Eventually I said to myself, "fuck taking people's word for it, I'm going to figure this out on my own, I'm going to prove that it happened."
After about 3 months, I'd watched every second of coverage of the event, every interview with every "survivor", every "family member", everything.. literally everything. I read the coroners report, the analysis of the DNA collected. I watched the helicopter footage, backwards and forwards, in slowmo and in fastmo. And after those three months, I found ZERO evidence of anything happening. Nothing. NOTHING. It didn't happen. It was 100% theatrics. Not 90%, not 50%, 100%.
Heathcliff ago
You're a terrible liar, but maybe if you make an even longer more rambling post and express more of your distugusting fag fantasies, I'll believe you.
And in case you are as stupid as you are dishonest, that was sarcasm.
Nosferatjew ago
I haven't lied yet in this conversation.
Are you suggesting that Sandy Hook was a real deal shooting?
Heathcliff ago
I was saying the previous paragraph in the same post was sarcasm, moron. I know it was obvious, but I tried to explain it because I thought you might be an idiot, but apparently I over estimated you.
You haven't researched shit. You can barely read. Just shut up, and let the grown ups talk.
Nosferatjew ago
You're horrible at sarcasm.
You didn't answer my question:
Well?
BoraxTheFungarian ago
Maybe it's like the Israeli nuclear weapon thing for jews, but for spooks and libs.
CheeseboogerHimself ago
Jews are disgusting parasites. They do this to try and scare anyone else from speaking out. fuck them. Sandy Hoax was a jewish op with lots of jewish actors.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
Why didn't he present all the evidence that the "no real life" people on voat seem to have?
Glasswall ago
So for a libel charge does that mean they proved in av court of law that a kid actually died at Sandy Hook? If so I'd like more details.
MinorLeakage ago
No it's probably like that case where someone offered money to anyone who could prove the Holocaust happened. A guy took him to court and said "everyone knows it happened" and a judge awarded him the money.
Probably the Dad has a document, like a death certificate, and it's all the judge required.
Barfin ago
should have had to prove anyone died there at the trial, then if it is proven beyond shadow of a doubt, he is guilty
TraditionalCode0 ago
DID this actually happen???
Not Sandy Hook..........this 'trial'.
Has anybody actually checked any official court records to verify this?
Wouldn't it be a nice ploy by the DS to have two patsies write a fluff book only to 'sue' them
in the press.......not in fact......in order to intimidate? Read the first line of the article to get the thrust of the story. It's intimidation.
And Alex Jones has NOT been sued.........even though it's constantly repeated that he HAS.
Now it's said he's GOING to be sued.
I don't believe it's true. Sandy Hook OR the 'trial' unless it's a dog and pony show.
No way any Posner came up with a legit death certificate.
The truth is defense and the truth is, it was a psyop in a closed school in a town of satanists.
Gerald Posner says hi by the way.
BoraxTheFungarian ago
Fuck. Who the hell knows? Good points.
Barfin ago
good point
more panopticon concept
layers upon layers of conspiracies
limited modified hangout
Dauphin ago
I often think these stories are PURPOSELY fake to send a warning to people like US... Think about it... they get some (((person))) to over exaggerate and get to the point of HARASSING the "victims." "Victim" sues the (((perpetrator))) of the (((hate crime))) and it sends a clear message to the rest of the world to NOT question the media's reality...
RURAL-TROOPER ago
How did the porta potties get there so fast?
puag ago
I spent years on researching on things like 9/11, Sandy Hooks, JFK and others. One thing I know for certain, there are no coincidences. Everything is planned and executed. Sometimes they are some slips (freudian to name one)... intentional or not. But they are.
https://files.catbox.moe/g8zoaz.jpg
Tb0n3 ago
Coincidences happen all the god damn time. It a big fucking world and you're unimportant in even the small scale.
puag ago
You say that, because you dont see any connections among those things that happen.
badruns ago
What's the photo on the left?
puag ago
HP Lovecraft... love craft... are you kidding me.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
https://www.cracked.com/pictofacts-355-24-people-who-had-to-die-to-achieve-real-fame/
An image search led me to this page, and it's near the bottom. This is possibly HP Lovecraft? An image search for HP Lovecraft confirms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft
He died 'pennyless' in 1937.
Bottled_Tears ago
Sandy hook is a tax exempt method for gov tax payers that no one gets to know about. Don't question đŚ
ISlooshyYou ago
LatexSanta ago
And now I have another book on my must-read list.
Wooden_door ago
450000? For what?
THEx1138 ago
Hurricane cleanup.
51235521 ago
Defamation of charecter
Wooden_door ago
That's insane. Unless it cost you a job that you make that much in how is that even reasonable XD
51235521 ago
I totally agree with you. The court system is âclown worldâ . All the judges have a bias and an agenda. They are crooked.
dayofthehope ago
Cases like this prove that the legal system is a sham.
grandmacaesar ago
Yesterday I was banned from r/news for this comment:
Moderator's given reason for ban?
I replied to the moderator:
Then I was blocked from contacting the mod team for 72 hours. Fuck reddit.
CheeseboogerHimself ago
Reddit is an israeli ran website and they fight to keep the jewish lies alive. There are israelis who are paid and stationed at many places on the web, including wikipedia.
Gorillion ago
LISTEN AND BELIEVE Redditor.
beefartist ago
Fucking reddit...you deserve it
grandmacaesar ago
I deserve to be censored for trying to wake people up? I don't live in China.
beefartist ago
Quit jerking off in your own face and pretending you are starting a skin care line.
freshmeat ago
you're a little late to the party...
grandmacaesar ago
Fwiw, I only stopped by there cuz voat was "down". I saw the headline on the front page, and felt I needed to at least attempt a red pill.
beefartist ago
Stop wasting your time...even here. Get a church, get a wife, get kids, work hard...sort your household and your neighbourhood
tentra ago
Religion is for boomers and shit skins.
beefartist ago
"Religion" is a word for retarded people raised by a shit public school system. There is Christianity and then there is that other shit. Stop being a smug cunt and come over to the light. Atheism is for people who think they are their own gods
tentra ago
Lol okay boomer
beefartist ago
Great rejoinder...I understand where/why you might come from that angle...I just hope you don't have kids that, and that you will.
grandmacaesar ago
I won't stop trying to wake people up. If I speak out to 20 people, but only one "gets it", that's one more than we had before...and one more who will red pill others.
beefartist ago
Spoken like someone with no children and no real responsibility in the world...you are pissing in the wind; the way to win is HYPER local, not global. Quit porn, start gardening and join a church.
grandmacaesar ago
Lol, you don't know shit about me, twathorn.
beefartist ago
Obviously I know enough...if I am wrong on any counts it makes me even sadder for you
grandmacaesar ago
Tell me how many children you have. Tell me how many children I have.
beefartist ago
Typical boomer...kids aren't for bragging rights or your own personal gratification you gross piece of shit. Guess how many cocks your daughter sucked in that liberal college that you "paid" for and how many cocks your wife took while you were "working" paying for it?
Let me save you the time, that is a rhetorical question and you can google what that means, fuck ass
grandmacaesar ago
When your shithole country gets nuked to glass, I hope you have time to take a look in the mirror, so you'll see exactly why.
beefartist ago
You just keep exposing your retarded boomer ideals...bomb anything better than me or that I can't understand. Please give my condolences to your wife and gay children you disgusting faggot
grandmacaesar ago
You have discarded foreskins for brains.
beefartist ago
If you paid more attention here you would know that is probably a treatment already and probably reduces aging effects. For you to go there unprompted is pretty gay
Zanbato ago
News media is not allowed to show children at crime scenes dummy
Barfin ago
never resort to his excuse
YoHomie ago
Bullshit.
grandmacaesar ago
(A) We saw 2 staged pictures of children allegely at the crime scene, and those two pictures are readily available online. (B) My comment is about not hearing from or seeing ANY of the alleged 450 - 600 students or their 900 - 1200 parents since that day. Just a handful of parents of the alleged victims, and it's usually (as again in this case) Rabbi Lenny P. Osner. Twathorn.
Hispeedtim2876 ago
Yep.
https://files.catbox.moe/nr7ud0.jpeg
Adriansun ago
Great, but is there a higher quality picture?
pixelkitteh ago
Unbelievable. And still not even a lick of proof handy sook ever happened. Lots of evidence that says it didn't though...
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
Why didn't he present that at his trial? I mean, there were people spotted in an area where trees grow! Someone connected to the school had workers move supplies and equipment into the halls while they worked on the classrooms! What more proofs do people need?
Rellik88 ago
His book shows the evidence that the school wasnt even open. All school require to keep all memeos from staff. He requested a FOIA of any and all memos, he was told there is none. So either the school operated illegally, or wasnt open.
Look for yourself http://www.chemtrailplanet.com/PDF/NobodyDiedAtSandyHook.pdf
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
Not zero. It's interesting to see how cognition varies among different groups of people, but I've seen no convincing evidence that it was faked. It's all conjecture, and inference. The question I ask myself is why are the "no SH deaths" people unable to come up with any solid evidence? It's all stuff like the cars being parked "the wrong way". I've seen a number of anomalous situations and circumstances in my time, so I remain skeptical.
I didn't watch any of the Sandy Hook coverage at the time, and have little interest in the actual shooting. It's the "everything is fake" people that I find fascinating. (no man in space, no space!, no nukes, no sphere earth, and etc.) Sometimes. Trying to tease something real out of them can get tedious, though. Mainly, I suspect it's people who've had no formal training in logic, and/or how to form accurate conclusions.
I personally have no definite opinion on whether the shooting happened as advertised. I tend to think faking it would create too much ACTUAL evidence that would rapidly be exposed, but all I see is internet hype. On the other hand, flooding the internet with fake theorists spouting wacky claims might be an effective coverup...
pixelkitteh ago
Maybe have a look at some documentaries before passing judgement. A lot have been made, containing lots of evidence. There's pictures from the day before (where they were practicing the 'shooting'), there's video of people walking around in circles, there's crisis actor comparisons, there's photos of children that don't exist, not to mention that the school was closed at the time (lots of evidence of that, including no internet connection for years, mold on walls and floors, broken pavements)... have a look into it. It didn't happen.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
Is there one that cuts right to the chase, and follows many of the conventions of logic? Last time, someone linked a 3.75 hour video... I'm thinking one could lay out their entire case in 5 - 10 minutes, just going down their list with a brief explanation and justification for each point.
pixelkitteh ago
I'm not sure tbh, that long one is the best... goes into a lot of detail about every aspect of the hoax. Trying to search for info is futile, it's hidden so deep it's frustrating.
toobaditworks ago
Appeal. Appeal. Appeal.
BlueDrache ago
My answer? No. Fuck off. First Amendment.
Tb0n3 ago
Libel is illegal.
Barfin ago
who did he libel
Tb0n3 ago
The father of the dead kid that he claimed didn't exist.
Barfin ago
can he prove that kid died
the problem is this sets a precedent like how you can't question the holocaust in germany. no need to prove something, it's just illegal to question because reasons
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
He has a legal death certificate, which is all the legal proof he needed. The guy claiming he faked the death certificate is the one who needed proof of his allegations. Since all he had was conjecture, the jury pretty much had to agree with the defamation claim.
When I've asked the no real life people for evidence to support their claim that "no kids were killed" at the SH school, that's all I got too. People seen in the woods! Free houses for everyone! Workers moved school equipment and supplies out of the work area! Seriously? I've briefly looked into some of that stuff, and found nothing of interest in the content that could match the unusual nature of the theorists themselves. While it mostly just results in 'poor' results, flawed cognition can be a fascinating topic. Why did the man mistake his wife for a hat? What causes people to disbelief in events that happen outside the range of their own senses and perceptions?
Barfin ago
need to release death cert to public
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
One of the articles said he had posted it and related stuff on the internet - faceberg, I believe.
Barfin ago
quick duck search shows that is false
NSADid911 ago
What happened to freedom of speech?
SquarebobSpongebutt ago
Defamation, liable, and slander are not covered. In this particular case the judge either had to rule as he did or rule that at least one death certificate issued for a victim was forged. No way he was ruling the latter so he ruled the former. This is to ensure anyone who questions the narrative at all is shut down quickly.
Sheetz ago
So the parents donât want to lose the fame of losing their potentially fake children?
YoHomie ago
No, they just want to cash-in on exploiting their kid.
grandmacaesar ago
This was posted yesterday. I haven't checked into it, but with the rest of the oddities around SH, it seems plausible.
https://voat.co/v/news/3473980/20971013
waucka ago
The National Firearms Act of 1934.
The Gun Owners "Protection" Act of 1986.
And many others. Why should the government respect the First Amendment when it can't be enforced?
8_billion_eaters ago
Nobody died at Sandy Hook. It was a complete lie.
blumen4alles ago
Nope, and all the "victims" will become your new communist overlords.