those two that I posted will show the curvature of the earth using geometry, and the effect of gravity. I wrote it down on paper somewhere but I could test it again anytime, the radio horizon is a pretty well understood idea and also demonstrates how light is affected by gravity
which other question was that? if you mean stuff I've done personally I did those experiments a while ago but more recently I've played around with a HAM radio to confirm that "line of sight" radio waves travel 15% farther than visible light because of how gravity affects electromagnetic radiation. This wouldn't happen unless the light was being curved by gravity
but that's my point, if NASA is just bullshiting you how do you know the people who put this video together aren't full of shit? why not do your own experiments?
anyway I watched about half the video and responded to a few parts of it
I could keep going but I think I made my point, it's good to be skeptical but then I don't understand why you would trust the people in the video when there are experiments you can conduct yourself
the over the horizon effect part with the telescope is also explained by light being affected by gravity, you understand how our eyes collect visual data right?
as for the laser part, you know that light is affected by gravity, yes? light might have no mass, but given general relativity we understand that gravity affects anything with energy
57 seconds in and these people already show they don't understand science even in principal "unquestionable evidence" isn't really a thing proof is more for math, science is just about making valid hypothesis. There's no unquestionable evidence of gravity or evolution but we can accept these theories as true because of evidence supporting them and our ability to make valid predictions based on them.
all I did was ask you a question, whatever tests they do in the video radio waves are something I actually know about myself and I can go outside and test this myself. I'm amazed a flat earther is really standing on an appeal to authority.
I didn't bash anything, dude. I merely questioned why you would post that when based on just memory of your posts you don't post stuff like this. I agree, you can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I agree that no one should question any information given to them. The flat earth thing isn't even the issue, man.
False. Again. Math makes predictions based on proven values. Prove to me the existence of gravity even with math alone with only known values if you'd like, but proof has to come form somewhere. Note the only given proof of gravity is the balls in the barn experiment I ripped apart according to the scientific community in general.
Well, usually you post stuff that's pretty interesting/cool/noteworthy, etc. But this, I mean, come on. This obviously is you evolving from just a shitposter to Elite-Shitposter. I refuse to believe that you aren't just fucking around.
The whole state of Kansas was surveyed as flat... The water is flat.... I seen drone footage of it flat... Earths flat.... Obviously you scared shitless that you have fallen for one of the biggest lies of all times. Otherwise you would weigh the evidence... I use to work on rockets. Lots of former NASA out there talking. Do you digging.
If the earth is flat, where is the edge? And how thick is our crust from top to bottom? And if you get to said ‘bottom’ what happens? You just eject into space? Dumbest argument ever just resurfaced to discredit conspiracies.
again that dome is critical... the dome is a fluid/solid that the stars are set in. They are nothing more than little lights. Look at them for yourself with the best optics you can buy and they look like some twinkling not spherical geometric shape constantly changing all kinds of colors. The dome spins overhead. There is a whole lot to it and it's more than just a dumb as here and a dumb as there saying the earth is flat just because we are dumb asses. What you see is people are waking up to the fact that the earth is in fact flat and they are finding the evidence of it. Everyday more people are convinced the earth is flat, the momentum is in our favor as the evidence is also.
what you're describing is just the setting to the darker than black anime, you can see other planets in our solar system yourself with a good enough telescope
Wut? Air is at it's greatest density at the lowest level of it on earth right next to the ground. You can only see this occur if you have smog or fog, but still it doesn't turn blue. Sure you could say is the properties of the air in the upper atmos, but the concentrations have a hell of a lot to do with it and lighter the particles the less the effect so in the upper atmos this makes no sense. if you can witness an extreame of this when looking straight ahead on this flat freaking earth and see the Statue of Liberty from 60 miles away then this is clearly false. https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/29/22-is-the-earth-a-sphere-lighthouses-and-distant-lands/
btw Lighthouses prove flat earth too...
no, light curves with the earth as do the images we see because light is affected by gravity, we can see this effect with radio waves; "line of sight" radio waves travel about 15% farther than visible line of sight because they have less energy and therefor curve less to the effect of gravity
You did not provide a valid experiment. Your experiment exploits the effects of relative density and then calls it gravity. We live on a plane where there is a true up and down and relative density keeps the denser things down and the less dense rises.
Show me an example of your claim that gravity affects things with no mass. That's something you pulled off the top of your head again for all I know because somebody said that to you while you were in the first grade.
you're just not listening to me, electromagnetic radiation like light and radio waves act differently in the same situation because they're affected by gravity to different extents
Show me a telescope that I can buy that will show me anything "better." Show me. There is none. I'm suppose to trust NASA's equipment. Their rendered images. I'm already making the case they lied about the moon landing. They don't have the credibility.
How is it dumb just because you have questions. Your the one that sounds dumb. I use to work for NASA as a technician on the guidance systems on rockets and I was going to tear some jack ass a new ass hole for saying the earth was flat and I was going to pull out the science then I learned the earth is actually flat and all of the hush hush innuendos and joking about the earth being flat when I worked as a contractor there started making sense... Then I realized how flushed with Italians and Jews the whole thing was in the higher up positions. Anyhow to answer your questions.... We haven't seen the edge yet, not sure if we have breached the firmament or not but Admiral Byrd spoke as thought there was land past the antarctic Ice wall that surrounds us. The N pole has a finite point where you can see the thing spin, but the south pole is anything outward of that. We live on a ring magnet essentially. There is a dome over us that the Bible refers to as the firmament. There was a drilling race to get to the bottom that wasn't well popularized that you can look into but essentially you can drill side by side straight down and not run into another dig right beside you also going straight down. I think it was something ridiculously deep and even our best tech gets to the point it's just to hot and it all melts up and cannot be drilled through at the same distance anywhere they have drilled across the face of the earth. That's just observational science. Once you have had enough observational science to be convinced there are reputable sources for further information that pop out as being 100% correct on everything observable and logical in it's other points so make great premises for further research and scientific investigation.
wtf are you talking about? antarctica is an ice wall surrounding us all The earth is flat just like the UN logo. Explorers circumnavigated the arctic 5-7k miles... 60-70k miles to circle the antarctic and they keep having to correct for being off course etc. etc... Amelia Earhart thought the earth was flat. I'm not denying the reality of all of the commonly known world. Rather you are denying the reality of what is beyond the south pole.... which is merely an illusion as we live on a ring magnet. and the south pole is just on and on until the centers magnetism is indiscernible and the compass just lazes around and does whatever, but it will never spin as you walk around the south pole...
That's it. That's what holds the water in. The firmament is what your talking about I think. What the stars are set in. The "Plasma" out in space that NASA is actually studying.
Now your getting away from the science and doubting that the earth is flat because you want to assume things about humans who are capable of lying and deception... which Ironically is what NASA means in hebrew... to lie and decieve.
The thing that you need to understand is that EVERY Flat Earther grew up believing exactly the same thing about the Global Earth that you did...the only difference between them and you is that they asked questions and you didn't.
Relative density. You don't stick. You can overcome it in many ways. The experiment with the balls is not controlled for time or distance or environment. Results are erratic and when it works for people they claim they set it up in their closet or something and it worked one day after awhile, but there is no consideration for mechanical imperfections and air currents causing an offset on the apparatus or movement over time. Gravity has never been proven. It's just been financed by the Liars who claim they are Jews but are not and do lie and are a synagogue of Satan just as Jesus called them. The same who sacrifice children to Moloch.
Yeah I know. We see them in moon vehicle kicking up moon sand. But the lander doesnt have so much as a spot of dust on it nor does it kick up any when it supposedly pushes off of the surface of the moo with it's jets.... and its 2.5ºF cooler in the moon light than in the moon shade when it's said that the moon reflects the suns light.... Explain that shit with the Khazar Moloch worshiping False Jew international banking corrupt Science you learned in school.
Green Screen lies... just observe the evidence... It's hard to believe the are so bold and organized. A guy I worked with when I was a tech on the NASA installation working on the guidance systems said that it use to be that everyone on the base was in the lodge and you couldn't get a job if you weren't in the masonic lodge. I noticed a lot of that as well. who knows how I managed to get the job. I had a lot of family in the lodge but who knows.
just looking at experiment 1 I can see where this is going light is affected by gravity, general relativity shows us that gravity affects anything with energy
Then prove to me gravity. Gravity is total bull shit. What you see is relative density. The test for gravity circuments relative density by demonstrating attraction between two bodies none of which are the earth. A man supposedly did this in his barn years ago with two metal balls on a board that was capable of spinning on a pivot. The balls were sat near to flat bars opposite them such that if the board spun one direction they would hit the bars, if it spun another it would move away from the bars. He did this in a drafty barn with less than perfect mechanical precision in his design and after many many hours he noticed movement and then voila gravity has been considered proven though many challenged his experiment as unrepeatable in that time they were not on the in crowd so they didn't make our science books today. There is no established mechanical design, time period, or environmental controls to give use anything consistently repeatable. If force of gravity is a constant as we use in our math then a given mass should be attracted to another given mass with such a force to overcome a specified static and dynamic friction of the specific mechanical pivot board setup within a specified degree of error due to imperfections in mechanical processes, but we should be able to measure the degree of variance and we should be able to establish a non draft environment. No one has done any of this and as you will find when researching the experiment it's done a million different ways and is seen as just a childs experiment.
The earth is in the mix, your not distinguishing the effects of relative density vs gravity. Relative density accounts for all that you call gravity. more dense falls through less dense. Relative density. Not gravity. Why does a ship float, but an iron ore of equal mass sink? relative density.
proof is for math, science is about evidence and making valid prediction it seems like you don't understand what science is or what it's for on a base level. Anyway "line of sight" radio waves travel about 15% farther than visible line of sight because light has more energy and is more affected by the earths gravity. They're the same type of radiation if they're traveling in a straight line why does one travel farther than the other?
Cite source of this occurring as this sounds like you are pulling this off the top of your head and has no integration into reality that I can make any sense of, cite the law or science or name of the phenomenon.
proof is for math, science is about evidence and making valid prediction it seems like you don't understand what science is or what it's for on a base level.
Math is invalid if the science that gives us the definition of gravity and the formulas relating to it is false. Math is restricted to use on that with is not assumed but proven so that we can extrapolate predictions based on calculations. It is science that PROVES things. Damn you ain't bout dumber than shit. You done got that backwards as fuck.
people who just believe the earth is round without bothering to know why can be dumb, but you're retarded if you believe this nonsense. What would even be the point of this conspiracy? to what end? every government, pilot, engineer, and educator would need to be in on it, but why?
well.... not exactly.... because so many people just don't get it even though it's staring them in the face... such as yourself... when your told that shit since the a little kid you just get so brainwashed you program guidance systems without believing the earth is flat and get in arguments with other programmers who snapped out of it and realized why shit was so difficult and the earth is actually flat. True observation I actually had. LOL.
you believe the earth is a ball and there is nothing dubious about that after all of this so there is no hope for me to go down that rabbit trail with you.
it curves, it has a circumference, you can measure this and make valid predictions with this and gravity, it's a round object. The experiments and such you've presented thus far are not sufficient to dispute any of that, and in the first place you don't know what science really is or what it's for
I wouldn't lie to myself. I've determined it is flat through observational science first hand. I live out on the water, I have flown in commercial airplanes... I worked on sounding rockets and seen non fish eye lens footage from the rocket showing no curvature. I've seen the horizon at eye level form a commercial airplane as well.. on and on and on. Also this issue of trust you abuse.. I hear out both sides and work with reason etc. If that's wrong to do then you have to throw out all of the fictional gravity mathematics anyhow as thats exactly what modern science does, so if I use my reasoning on observational science it's not bunk. If I use my reasoning on bull shit assumptions and unrepeatable experiments then you should seriously question my reasoning aptitude in addition to disregarding anything I would reason based on such.
yea right down to the depolarization of all the neurons along the optical nerve into the occipital lobe of the brain where the image is flipped and the blind spots are filled in.
so you should grasp that the light that enters your eyes is curved by gravity so if you can observe things being "flat" that doesn't really mean anything
Gravity has not been proven gravity is false you keep ignoring this. The light doesn't get bent and we don't need any bending lol what are you talking about?
again science isn't about proving things, its about building a hypothesis that allows you to make valid predictions. Light is affected by gravity as explained by general relativity
Nope. The scientific method is used as a model to prove things. Science is not a religion, if you want to have a religion and call it science and live at odds with reality so be it, but that does make you a crazy person.
Earths flat. Put the conspiratorial part to the side and prove me wrong. Show me one concrete thing of evidence that I can build a ball on or go learn about the true nature of our flat earth.
Don't get into the science debate of it, just ask for a non photoshopped picture of Earth...it should be simple, right? 10,000 sattelites in space, dozens of space probes, and half a dozen moon walks...wheres the pictures?
True... I just love the science of it. It's so amazing how things really are. It's awesome to realize just how awesome it is exactly. To think one day Jesus is going to tare the dome off of this place and come down here. LOL.
Yeah someone posted him a month ago, guy is awesome!
I like Jones for his politics, there are just some conspiracies he won't go near. Which is funny cause he believes some weird NASA/Alien technology but won't entertain FE
He is a shill in my book... When SHTF he will activate and a lot of light touch truthers who don't dig for themselves and trust ones like Jones will go by the wayside. Think Project Blue Beam deception.
I've heard the stuff on Jones being a shill and I just don't buy it. Simply because if he was a con man he wouldn't still be doing it for 30 years. Basically if he was a shill, he would hate his job and not be passionate about it, yet Jones is ADD about his company. Plus i've listened long enough to him that he would have contradicted himself by now or let the mask slip and by every measure he honestly believes in his mission and is rabidly anti government.
With what experiment can I do that? YOu mean observer the Stars and planets (aka wandering stars)
https://youtu.be/DbLu9fcQI4w
Yea they are there set in the firmament. Little lights. Sun and Moon race overhead in a perpetual course over the face of the earth. I can point the telescope down a long straight flat road and see for miles and miles and miles... I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles.... No curvature.. Please explain how you think a telescope tells us that the earth is a ball.
you don't seem to understand geometry or his experiment I don't even know where to begin. Do you understand how a sun dial works? because the shadow doesn't just move it gets longer and shorter
Eratosthenes knew that on the summer solstice at local noon on the Tropic of Cancer, the Sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead (sun elavation of 90°)
so this is why your link thinks the experiment shows the world to be flat, but by measuring the length and the angle or the shadows to a more exact degree you can see it's wrong.
Wut? Did you see the picture? You can believe what you want, but you cannot say that this picture does not tell the story of a small sun directly over the clouds. You can say that it looks that way but, and proceed to give some more BS that I can help you deprogram from but you can't just say nah... nahh man nahhh...
Then explain where I'm wrong. Correct my error. More enigmatic poo poo and no science. You are just saying I'm stupid, but you can't back up your claim, your just saying I'm wrong, but not telling me how, every time I tell you I'm right I can and mostly have told you how, if not it's only been because you haven't challenged that claim but I would accept any challenge for evidence.
I don't think I ever used the term stupid, but I don't have the patience to give you a course in geometry, physics, and general relativity. Why not crack open a book and learn something and conduct some experiments yourself?
I studied it for a couple months non stop and believe it wholeheartedly. There is so much to it as the nature of the earth being so radically different than what we are taught means all of our sciences are based on false assumption bull shit and you pretty much have to go learn real science all over again because everything you were taught was at odds with the scientific method, and or pure bullshit.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I tested the radio horizon myself, radio waves do travel about 15% farther because they curve less than light
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
those two that I posted will show the curvature of the earth using geometry, and the effect of gravity. I wrote it down on paper somewhere but I could test it again anytime, the radio horizon is a pretty well understood idea and also demonstrates how light is affected by gravity
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
which other question was that? if you mean stuff I've done personally I did those experiments a while ago but more recently I've played around with a HAM radio to confirm that "line of sight" radio waves travel 15% farther than visible light because of how gravity affects electromagnetic radiation. This wouldn't happen unless the light was being curved by gravity
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I posted instructions to Eratosthenes' experiment and here's one for gravity
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
but that's my point, if NASA is just bullshiting you how do you know the people who put this video together aren't full of shit? why not do your own experiments?
anyway I watched about half the video and responded to a few parts of it
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I could keep going but I think I made my point, it's good to be skeptical but then I don't understand why you would trust the people in the video when there are experiments you can conduct yourself
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
the part with radio waves is wrong to they seem to assume they're not on the earth or that radio waves aren't affected by gravity
wrong
more like this
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
the over the horizon effect part with the telescope is also explained by light being affected by gravity, you understand how our eyes collect visual data right?
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
as for the laser part, you know that light is affected by gravity, yes? light might have no mass, but given general relativity we understand that gravity affects anything with energy
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
oh boy, all their "experts" are non-english speaking and the translator talks over them
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
do you have a version without the dramatic music?
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
57 seconds in and these people already show they don't understand science even in principal "unquestionable evidence" isn't really a thing proof is more for math, science is just about making valid hypothesis. There's no unquestionable evidence of gravity or evolution but we can accept these theories as true because of evidence supporting them and our ability to make valid predictions based on them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_validity
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
all I did was ask you a question, whatever tests they do in the video radio waves are something I actually know about myself and I can go outside and test this myself. I'm amazed a flat earther is really standing on an appeal to authority.
The_Duke_of_Dabs ago
I didn't bash anything, dude. I merely questioned why you would post that when based on just memory of your posts you don't post stuff like this. I agree, you can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I agree that no one should question any information given to them. The flat earth thing isn't even the issue, man.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I don't see why I need to when I can test this myself
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Woah do you speak of observational science?!?! wow Im an observational scientist too hence why I know that the earth is flat!
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
your observations are wrong because you trust your eyes more than math
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
False. Again. Math makes predictions based on proven values. Prove to me the existence of gravity even with math alone with only known values if you'd like, but proof has to come form somewhere. Note the only given proof of gravity is the balls in the barn experiment I ripped apart according to the scientific community in general.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
we've been over this here you go
The_Duke_of_Dabs ago
Well, usually you post stuff that's pretty interesting/cool/noteworthy, etc. But this, I mean, come on. This obviously is you evolving from just a shitposter to Elite-Shitposter. I refuse to believe that you aren't just fucking around.
FireSauce ago
Dude cmon
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
how do you explain the radio horizon, where radio waves are effectively blocked by the curvature of the earth?
roznak ago
Earths magnetics keeps the satellites in place? That is not how magnetism works. The force would pull the satellites towards the poles.
Also magnetics loses power very fast over short distances compared to gravity.
i_scream_trucks ago
No they dont.
Dont even need to click on your bait for that.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
The whole state of Kansas was surveyed as flat... The water is flat.... I seen drone footage of it flat... Earths flat.... Obviously you scared shitless that you have fallen for one of the biggest lies of all times. Otherwise you would weigh the evidence... I use to work on rockets. Lots of former NASA out there talking. Do you digging.
Se7entoe ago
If the earth is flat, where is the edge? And how thick is our crust from top to bottom? And if you get to said ‘bottom’ what happens? You just eject into space? Dumbest argument ever just resurfaced to discredit conspiracies.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
again that dome is critical... the dome is a fluid/solid that the stars are set in. They are nothing more than little lights. Look at them for yourself with the best optics you can buy and they look like some twinkling not spherical geometric shape constantly changing all kinds of colors. The dome spins overhead. There is a whole lot to it and it's more than just a dumb as here and a dumb as there saying the earth is flat just because we are dumb asses. What you see is people are waking up to the fact that the earth is in fact flat and they are finding the evidence of it. Everyday more people are convinced the earth is flat, the momentum is in our favor as the evidence is also.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
what you're describing is just the setting to the darker than black anime, you can see other planets in our solar system yourself with a good enough telescope
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Sky is blue because of the waters above. The sun light is shining deep into the water like a pristine ocean.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
no it is not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Wut? Air is at it's greatest density at the lowest level of it on earth right next to the ground. You can only see this occur if you have smog or fog, but still it doesn't turn blue. Sure you could say is the properties of the air in the upper atmos, but the concentrations have a hell of a lot to do with it and lighter the particles the less the effect so in the upper atmos this makes no sense. if you can witness an extreame of this when looking straight ahead on this flat freaking earth and see the Statue of Liberty from 60 miles away then this is clearly false. https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/29/22-is-the-earth-a-sphere-lighthouses-and-distant-lands/ btw Lighthouses prove flat earth too...
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
no, light curves with the earth as do the images we see because light is affected by gravity, we can see this effect with radio waves; "line of sight" radio waves travel about 15% farther than visible line of sight because they have less energy and therefor curve less to the effect of gravity
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
No proof of gravity see my other reply with an in depth challenge.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I provided experiments you can preform yourself
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
You did not provide a valid experiment. Your experiment exploits the effects of relative density and then calls it gravity. We live on a plane where there is a true up and down and relative density keeps the denser things down and the less dense rises.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
again gravity affects things with no mass, so how does "relative density" explain that?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Show me an example of your claim that gravity affects things with no mass. That's something you pulled off the top of your head again for all I know because somebody said that to you while you were in the first grade.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
you're just not listening to me, electromagnetic radiation like light and radio waves act differently in the same situation because they're affected by gravity to different extents
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Show me a telescope that I can buy that will show me anything "better." Show me. There is none. I'm suppose to trust NASA's equipment. Their rendered images. I'm already making the case they lied about the moon landing. They don't have the credibility.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
How is it dumb just because you have questions. Your the one that sounds dumb. I use to work for NASA as a technician on the guidance systems on rockets and I was going to tear some jack ass a new ass hole for saying the earth was flat and I was going to pull out the science then I learned the earth is actually flat and all of the hush hush innuendos and joking about the earth being flat when I worked as a contractor there started making sense... Then I realized how flushed with Italians and Jews the whole thing was in the higher up positions. Anyhow to answer your questions.... We haven't seen the edge yet, not sure if we have breached the firmament or not but Admiral Byrd spoke as thought there was land past the antarctic Ice wall that surrounds us. The N pole has a finite point where you can see the thing spin, but the south pole is anything outward of that. We live on a ring magnet essentially. There is a dome over us that the Bible refers to as the firmament. There was a drilling race to get to the bottom that wasn't well popularized that you can look into but essentially you can drill side by side straight down and not run into another dig right beside you also going straight down. I think it was something ridiculously deep and even our best tech gets to the point it's just to hot and it all melts up and cannot be drilled through at the same distance anywhere they have drilled across the face of the earth. That's just observational science. Once you have had enough observational science to be convinced there are reputable sources for further information that pop out as being 100% correct on everything observable and logical in it's other points so make great premises for further research and scientific investigation.
i_scream_trucks ago
Lots of 'Former NASA' out there talking about a lot of weird and wonderful things.
You talk about flat earth but the thing is your flavour of it by nature requires me to not exist. Yet i do.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
wtf are you talking about? antarctica is an ice wall surrounding us all The earth is flat just like the UN logo. Explorers circumnavigated the arctic 5-7k miles... 60-70k miles to circle the antarctic and they keep having to correct for being off course etc. etc... Amelia Earhart thought the earth was flat. I'm not denying the reality of all of the commonly known world. Rather you are denying the reality of what is beyond the south pole.... which is merely an illusion as we live on a ring magnet. and the south pole is just on and on until the centers magnetism is indiscernible and the compass just lazes around and does whatever, but it will never spin as you walk around the south pole...
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
any video or photographic evidence of this ice wall?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYX7-z1W8AMOWzG.jpg:large Sorry for the bias compilation meme, but what your asking for is a bit nutty. you want something kind of impractical.
Check out Capt. Cooks voyage that makes no sense on a globe... along with many other expeditions... http://www.abodia.com/fe/articles/flat-earth-around-antarticia.htm
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
you could just climb over that, I want to see this ice wall you were describing
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
That's it. That's what holds the water in. The firmament is what your talking about I think. What the stars are set in. The "Plasma" out in space that NASA is actually studying.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
if that's the wall we could climb over it and reach the firmament
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Yep.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
right, in which case why don't we have pictures of this?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Now your getting away from the science and doubting that the earth is flat because you want to assume things about humans who are capable of lying and deception... which Ironically is what NASA means in hebrew... to lie and decieve.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
to deceive to what end? what is the point of lying to people about this?
Native ago
The thing that you need to understand is that EVERY Flat Earther grew up believing exactly the same thing about the Global Earth that you did...the only difference between them and you is that they asked questions and you didn't.
pipilongstockings ago
Interesting!
roznak ago
If gravity does not exists then what makes you to stick to the surface? Glue?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Relative density. You don't stick. You can overcome it in many ways. The experiment with the balls is not controlled for time or distance or environment. Results are erratic and when it works for people they claim they set it up in their closet or something and it worked one day after awhile, but there is no consideration for mechanical imperfections and air currents causing an offset on the apparatus or movement over time. Gravity has never been proven. It's just been financed by the Liars who claim they are Jews but are not and do lie and are a synagogue of Satan just as Jesus called them. The same who sacrifice children to Moloch.
roznak ago
Laser light gets bent by atmospheric conditions. This test can only work in vacuum.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Give science for said atmospheric conditions. Or are you repeating Bill Nye the standup comedian lines?
JayDrifts ago
You guys haven’t been on Voat for long... these guys are all over this place
Whatever you do don’t ask about the Moonlanding..
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Yeah I know. We see them in moon vehicle kicking up moon sand. But the lander doesnt have so much as a spot of dust on it nor does it kick up any when it supposedly pushes off of the surface of the moo with it's jets.... and its 2.5ºF cooler in the moon light than in the moon shade when it's said that the moon reflects the suns light.... Explain that shit with the Khazar Moloch worshiping False Jew international banking corrupt Science you learned in school.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I don't know enough about it specifically so I'll give you the moonlanding for the sake of argument but what about the international space station?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nasa+is+lying+their+off&t=hf&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=faXmRqdajqE
Green Screen lies... just observe the evidence... It's hard to believe the are so bold and organized. A guy I worked with when I was a tech on the NASA installation working on the guidance systems said that it use to be that everyone on the base was in the lodge and you couldn't get a job if you weren't in the masonic lodge. I noticed a lot of that as well. who knows how I managed to get the job. I had a lot of family in the lodge but who knows.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
fine I'll leave NASA out of this, why not try something like this
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWOquYkL7_k
Been done and far better, repeatedly. Drones and amature weather balloons. Even Official NASA and co-conspirators have hangouts in their footage.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
if you're not going to trust NASA why trust anyone? go out and do experiments yourself
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/
try these experiments out.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
just looking at experiment 1 I can see where this is going light is affected by gravity, general relativity shows us that gravity affects anything with energy
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Then prove to me gravity. Gravity is total bull shit. What you see is relative density. The test for gravity circuments relative density by demonstrating attraction between two bodies none of which are the earth. A man supposedly did this in his barn years ago with two metal balls on a board that was capable of spinning on a pivot. The balls were sat near to flat bars opposite them such that if the board spun one direction they would hit the bars, if it spun another it would move away from the bars. He did this in a drafty barn with less than perfect mechanical precision in his design and after many many hours he noticed movement and then voila gravity has been considered proven though many challenged his experiment as unrepeatable in that time they were not on the in crowd so they didn't make our science books today. There is no established mechanical design, time period, or environmental controls to give use anything consistently repeatable. If force of gravity is a constant as we use in our math then a given mass should be attracted to another given mass with such a force to overcome a specified static and dynamic friction of the specific mechanical pivot board setup within a specified degree of error due to imperfections in mechanical processes, but we should be able to measure the degree of variance and we should be able to establish a non draft environment. No one has done any of this and as you will find when researching the experiment it's done a million different ways and is seen as just a childs experiment.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
here you go
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
The earth is in the mix, your not distinguishing the effects of relative density vs gravity. Relative density accounts for all that you call gravity. more dense falls through less dense. Relative density. Not gravity. Why does a ship float, but an iron ore of equal mass sink? relative density.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
then why does gravity affect electromagnetic radiation like light and radio waves? these have no mass just energy
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Gravity does not. Gravity does not exist, it has not even been proven. What effect is this that you speak of and I can help you sort it out?
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
proof is for math, science is about evidence and making valid prediction it seems like you don't understand what science is or what it's for on a base level. Anyway "line of sight" radio waves travel about 15% farther than visible line of sight because light has more energy and is more affected by the earths gravity. They're the same type of radiation if they're traveling in a straight line why does one travel farther than the other?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Cite source of this occurring as this sounds like you are pulling this off the top of your head and has no integration into reality that I can make any sense of, cite the law or science or name of the phenomenon.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
you can get a radio and test this yourself, a pair of the handheld beofangs will work for this, grab like 60 bucks and a pal and go have a good time
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Math is invalid if the science that gives us the definition of gravity and the formulas relating to it is false. Math is restricted to use on that with is not assumed but proven so that we can extrapolate predictions based on calculations. It is science that PROVES things. Damn you ain't bout dumber than shit. You done got that backwards as fuck.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
you really just don't understand math, science, and a bunch of other things on the most basic level I don't know where to go with this
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
You must be a damn high school science teacher who can't handle the magnitude of the truth as it would screw your psyche up so bad.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
people who just believe the earth is round without bothering to know why can be dumb, but you're retarded if you believe this nonsense. What would even be the point of this conspiracy? to what end? every government, pilot, engineer, and educator would need to be in on it, but why?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
well.... not exactly.... because so many people just don't get it even though it's staring them in the face... such as yourself... when your told that shit since the a little kid you just get so brainwashed you program guidance systems without believing the earth is flat and get in arguments with other programmers who snapped out of it and realized why shit was so difficult and the earth is actually flat. True observation I actually had. LOL.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I don't believe you're a real anything given your views on math and science, shit wouldn't work.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
you believe the earth is a ball and there is nothing dubious about that after all of this so there is no hope for me to go down that rabbit trail with you.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
it curves, it has a circumference, you can measure this and make valid predictions with this and gravity, it's a round object. The experiments and such you've presented thus far are not sufficient to dispute any of that, and in the first place you don't know what science really is or what it's for
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
How can I measure the curve then? Where's the beef jack ass? You got nothing but faith in lying false jews.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
A helium balloon rises, but a popped balloon falls?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Exactly. As has been done. Sufficient to prove.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
you haven't though, if NASA is lying to you how do you know the flat earth researchers aren't?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
I wouldn't lie to myself. I've determined it is flat through observational science first hand. I live out on the water, I have flown in commercial airplanes... I worked on sounding rockets and seen non fish eye lens footage from the rocket showing no curvature. I've seen the horizon at eye level form a commercial airplane as well.. on and on and on. Also this issue of trust you abuse.. I hear out both sides and work with reason etc. If that's wrong to do then you have to throw out all of the fictional gravity mathematics anyhow as thats exactly what modern science does, so if I use my reasoning on observational science it's not bunk. If I use my reasoning on bull shit assumptions and unrepeatable experiments then you should seriously question my reasoning aptitude in addition to disregarding anything I would reason based on such.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
do you understand how your eyes work?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
yea right down to the depolarization of all the neurons along the optical nerve into the occipital lobe of the brain where the image is flipped and the blind spots are filled in.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
so you should grasp that the light that enters your eyes is curved by gravity so if you can observe things being "flat" that doesn't really mean anything
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Gravity has not been proven gravity is false you keep ignoring this. The light doesn't get bent and we don't need any bending lol what are you talking about?
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
again science isn't about proving things, its about building a hypothesis that allows you to make valid predictions. Light is affected by gravity as explained by general relativity
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Nope. The scientific method is used as a model to prove things. Science is not a religion, if you want to have a religion and call it science and live at odds with reality so be it, but that does make you a crazy person.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
no it is not, it's used to find evidence and build a model that makes reliable predictions. You don't understand what science is or what it's for
The_Duke_of_Dabs ago
Seriously @BLOODandHonour I expected more from you. Wtf, dude?
ADaniels ago
Ffs guys, plz don’t ruin voat with fake conspiracies, The truth is strange enough as it is.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Earths flat. Put the conspiratorial part to the side and prove me wrong. Show me one concrete thing of evidence that I can build a ball on or go learn about the true nature of our flat earth.
Native ago
Don't get into the science debate of it, just ask for a non photoshopped picture of Earth...it should be simple, right? 10,000 sattelites in space, dozens of space probes, and half a dozen moon walks...wheres the pictures?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
True... I just love the science of it. It's so amazing how things really are. It's awesome to realize just how awesome it is exactly. To think one day Jesus is going to tare the dome off of this place and come down here. LOL.
Native ago
Just watched Eddie Bravo's removed video from Alex Jones on FE, the man knows his stuff
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Oh man I hate Alex Jones. Rob Skiba, Eric Dubay, and this guy just because he is hilarious as hell: https://youtu.be/syo8oW3e7tY
Native ago
Yeah someone posted him a month ago, guy is awesome!
I like Jones for his politics, there are just some conspiracies he won't go near. Which is funny cause he believes some weird NASA/Alien technology but won't entertain FE
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
He is a shill in my book... When SHTF he will activate and a lot of light touch truthers who don't dig for themselves and trust ones like Jones will go by the wayside. Think Project Blue Beam deception.
Native ago
I've heard the stuff on Jones being a shill and I just don't buy it. Simply because if he was a con man he wouldn't still be doing it for 30 years. Basically if he was a shill, he would hate his job and not be passionate about it, yet Jones is ADD about his company. Plus i've listened long enough to him that he would have contradicted himself by now or let the mask slip and by every measure he honestly believes in his mission and is rabidly anti government.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
I just never hear him dissing zionism.
Native ago
No but he does take calls from Alt-Right once in awhile raising the JQ
justsayingmayne ago
go buy a telescope, and prove the earth is round to yourself you fucking mong
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
With what experiment can I do that? YOu mean observer the Stars and planets (aka wandering stars) https://youtu.be/DbLu9fcQI4w
Yea they are there set in the firmament. Little lights. Sun and Moon race overhead in a perpetual course over the face of the earth. I can point the telescope down a long straight flat road and see for miles and miles and miles... I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles.... No curvature.. Please explain how you think a telescope tells us that the earth is a ball.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
http://www.juliantrubin.com/bigten/eratosthenes.html
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
http://earthmeasured.com/eratosthenes-experiment-proves-earth-flat/ LIkewise here is a link refuting.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
yeah this isn't how geometry works, the measurements and angles would turn out different
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
please elucidate. What I see here is a triangle not a tesseract or anything. We're talking real concrete geometry here.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
you don't seem to understand geometry or his experiment I don't even know where to begin. Do you understand how a sun dial works? because the shadow doesn't just move it gets longer and shorter
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
yea. Shadow gets longer and shorter. what's the point. Give me correction, not an enigmatic poo poo statement. If I'm wrong, I'm due some correction.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
so this is why your link thinks the experiment shows the world to be flat, but by measuring the length and the angle or the shadows to a more exact degree you can see it's wrong.
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
what do you mean to a more exact degree? your assuming that Eratosthenes was inaccurate when determining that he was in the hot spot of the sun? http://www.debate.org/photos/albums/1/6/5636/340416-5636-z4pra-a.jpg
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
the hot spot is in the atmosphere not under the sun itself
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Wut? Did you see the picture? You can believe what you want, but you cannot say that this picture does not tell the story of a small sun directly over the clouds. You can say that it looks that way but, and proceed to give some more BS that I can help you deprogram from but you can't just say nah... nahh man nahhh...
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
again you don't seem to understand the way light works or how your eyes or a camera for that matter record light
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
Then explain where I'm wrong. Correct my error. More enigmatic poo poo and no science. You are just saying I'm stupid, but you can't back up your claim, your just saying I'm wrong, but not telling me how, every time I tell you I'm right I can and mostly have told you how, if not it's only been because you haven't challenged that claim but I would accept any challenge for evidence.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I don't think I ever used the term stupid, but I don't have the patience to give you a course in geometry, physics, and general relativity. Why not crack open a book and learn something and conduct some experiments yourself?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
I have. Tons. This is why I weary you.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I'm fine honestly, I'm listening to a stream and reading a book in between responding to you
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
do you actually believe this or are you doing the whole "you believe things for no conscious reason" shit test?
RickFlairWOOOOOO ago
I studied it for a couple months non stop and believe it wholeheartedly. There is so much to it as the nature of the earth being so radically different than what we are taught means all of our sciences are based on false assumption bull shit and you pretty much have to go learn real science all over again because everything you were taught was at odds with the scientific method, and or pure bullshit.