Because of his work regarding a heliocentric model of the solar system Galileo Galilei is often misaccredited with proving the earth is round but the first to do so was Eratosthenes (276 BC-194 BC) a Greek mathematician, geographer and astronomer. He was born in Cyrene (now Libya) and died in Ptolemaic Alexandria.
Eratosthenes will always be remembered for the calculation of the Earth's circumference circa 240 BC, using trigonometry and knowledge of the angle of elevation of the Sun at noon in Alexandria and Syene (now Aswan, Egypt). The calculation is based on the assumption that the Earth is spherical and that the Sun is so far away that its rays can be taken as parallel.
Details of his method he published in a work On the measurement of the Earth which unfortunately was lost. We know indirectly about his method from other authors.
Before we begin a few definitions:
Tropic of Cancer - is one of five major circles of latitude that mark maps of the Earth. The Tropic of Cancer currently latitude is 23° 26′ 22″ north of the Equator.
Local noon is when the sun is the highest in the sky and can be quite different from 12:00 noon on the clock.
Solstice - is an astronomical event that happens twice each year, when the tilt of the Earth's axis is most inclined toward or away from the Sun. In the northern hemisphere, the maximum inclination toward the sun is around 21 June (the summer solstice) and with the maximum inclination away around 21 December (the winter solstice). For the southern hemisphere winter and summer solstices are exchanged.
What matters for our experiment is the fact that on the summer solstice, local noon, the sun rays are just overhead (at a right angle to the ground) on the Tropic of Cancer.
Eratosthenes' Experiment
Eratosthenes knew that on the summer solstice at local noon on the Tropic of Cancer, the Sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead (sun elavation of 90°) - though Syene was in fact slightly north of the tropic. He also knew, from using a vertical stick and measuring the cast shadow, that in his hometown of Alexandria, the angle of elevation of the Sun would be 83° or 7° south of the zenith at the same time. Assuming that Alexandria was due north of Syene - Alexandria is in fact on a more westerly longitude - he concluded, using geometry of parallel lines, that the distance from Alexandria to Syene must be 7/360 of the total circumference of the Earth. The distance between the cities was known from caravan travellings to be about 5,000 stadia. He established a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is no longer known (the common Attic stadion was about 185 m), but it is generally believed that Eratosthenes' value corresponds to between 39,690 km and 46,620 km. The circumference of the Earth around the poles is now measured at around 40,008 km. Eratosthenes result is not bad at all.
Very interesting is that the measurement of the distance between Alexandria and Syene is based on the estimated average speed of a caravan of camels that traveled this distance(!). Camels traveled the distance many times to obtain an average estimate of the distance. Whether this is true is not clear.
Repeat the Experiment
Eratosthenes measured, at his local noon in Alexandria, the angle of elevation of the sun on the summer solstice (21 June). Eratosthenes used the local noon and no other time of the day since at local noon all relevant places and sunrays are placed on the same imaginary plane enabling the use of simple geometry for his calculations. In order to repeat Eratosthenes’ experiment you’ll have to do the same.
First, calculate your local noon because it may be quite different from 12:00 noon on the clock. There are several ways to compute its exact occurrence. Basically, local noon is half-way between sunrise and sunset. You can obtain sunrise and sunset times, for June 21, from your local paper or from this link which also calculates local noon (sun transit). You can also obtain it by yourself by using a sundial or find out when the shadow is the shortest around noon time.
On June 21 erect a vertical straight stick or pole of about 1 meter using a carpenter’s level and measure the length of the shadow it casts at your local noon. With simple trigonometry you can obtain the angle of the elevation of the sun. You can also obtain the angle, without trigonometry, by drawing the stick and shadow proportionally and measuring it with a protractor. You can compare your results with a web based applet like this: http://www.jgiesen.de/azimuth but be careful to use it correctly (insert your correct time zone, local noon, coordinates, date and ensure that the dropdown menu points to elevation).
Sun Elevation Angle
After you get the angle of sun elevation, it’s very easy to calculate the zenith angle by subtracting it from 90°, like Eratosthenes did. Now you’ll have to measure the distance from your location to the Tropic of Cancer latitude line - not by camel caravans of course, the Eratosthenes way. You can use a relatively large scale map, but take in account that maps tend to distort distance and the best option is to use a globe. The distance from your location to the Tropic of Cancer should be measured from north to south. In other words the distance line has to cut the Tropic of Cancer at a right angle. There are also web based calculators for this
Now it's easy to calculate the Earth circumference by using the following formula:
Earth Circumference Formula
Likewise, you can also perform this experiment on the winter solstice that takes place around 21 December, but you’ll have to measure your distance from the Tropic of Capricorn instead from the Tropic of Cancer because on this date the sun reaches its highest degree of elevation on the Tropic of Capricorn (23° 26′ 22″ south of the Equator).
It is also possible to perform this experiment on the two Equinoxes which occur on 20 March and 23 September each year when the sun is crossing the equator at the local noon on those dates and the sun rays are just overhead the equator at a right angle to the ground. But instead to measure your distance from the Tropic of Cancer or the Tropic of Capricorn you’ll have to measure it from the equator.
There is another option and you can perform this experiment on any other date of the year, at local noon time, but you should have some partner located on your longitude willing to measure sun elevation at the same time. Take in account that you'll have to be a little careful treating correctly the sun angles obtained in this case.
At any date the sun reaches its highest position, at noon time, at some latitude. From here is clear that if the two places involved are located on the same side of this latitude (north or south) the shadows will be casted at the same direction and the obtained angles should be subtracted from each other, whereas if the places are located on different sides of this latitude the shadows will be casted at different directions (southward or northward) and the angles should be added up.
JEW_MEDIA_SILENT ago
Cept trigs (Obelisks) are used to show it is flat by peering from top to top. Same as a lighthouse.
Lastly, I like trig..it's decent, but doesn't account for the undulation that occurs between supposed orbits of sun, moon, and plane. Since the undulation occurs at different points on the plane, you can NOT use a fixed point on the plane to establish the circumference of the plane.
His equation doesn't account for the supposed "oblong" plane(t) scientists reference that literally changes shape based on...gravity.
qwop ago
Sly Sparkane conducted a similar experiment with the help of 23 participants in 9 different countries. They used the September 2017 equinox and all measured the sun's angle at local noon. He compiled the results into a video.
Like you say; simple geometry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V03eF0bcYno
Kekmet-Peperoni ago
couldnt you just drop 3 balls equally spaced apart and see if they accellerate towards each other? (they will), this could not happen if the world was flat.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
can I see some video for this, or at least show your math?
Kekmet-Peperoni ago
sorry on phone, and lazy. but imagine a sphere with straight lines going through it intersecting at the absolute centre if you keep drawing these lines representing the path of a falling object toward the centre of mass the "end" of anyone of the lines is angled away from the others. like a pizza slice so two falling objects from one of these points can be veiwed as accelerating toward each other.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I mean technically a ball you hold in your hand pulls on the earth with the gravity of it's mass but you won't see much of an affect of this pull without really large/dense objects. So you wouldn't really be able to see that sort of falling toward each other because the 3 objects wouldn't have a visible affect on each other
Zongongo ago
Assuming the sun is 92.9 million miles away and suns rays are parrallel is a big assumption. If that assumption is wrong, (it is), the whole experiment falls apart. If it qere 3,000 miles away on a flat earth, you'd get the same results.
Think outside your box.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
how do you know that "assumption" is wrong?
Zongongo ago
Do you (know) it's right? If it's that far away, why would it feel cooler when a small cloud passes in front of the sun. Or when the sun approaches the horizon, (minimal % distance change ?
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
slow down there buddy, you stated that "it is" wrong, what were you basing that on?
Zongongo ago
Alright, l admit "it is" is hard to prove but some hard evidence here.
https://youtu.be/PHPGIqUBrWo
Just submitting the video not the audio.
If the sun were 92.9 million miles away, with parralell rays, explain the small, localized sun spot.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
do you understand how light from the sun interacts with our atmosphere?
IIJOSEPHXII ago
The deep state shills getting paid to push this psyop don't believe the Earth is flat, so more fool those that do belive it. Furthermore, there's no sure-fire way of telling shills and flat-earthers apart without following the money, so debating flat earth is a waste of time.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I think it's a worthwhile shit test regardless of what they actually believe, a lot of people accept things as true without actually knowing why themselves or confirming things personally
BlowjaySimpson ago
This and some of David Icke's shit are a pretty sound conspiracy litmus test.
hardshaft ago
Excellent post buddy! This is the kind of stuff I'd love to see more off posted here. We can't have idiots and PsyOps wasting our energy debating such trivial to understand things. It's wasting our time and diverting us away from more important matters.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I think skepticism should be about confirming things yourself rather than simply believing in authority figures who go against the mainstream authority figures
hardshaft ago
Absolutely. That's why I'm encouraging you to present your model and hypothesis so we can either confirm or refute it. Go ahead, it's easter you should have some time available :)
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I suppose my model is a "round earth" and you can test this yourself with geometry as explained above
hardshaft ago
No need to repeat experiments I did as a kid. Personally I'd much rather spend this summer on painting blue dots on the head of ants to see if they'll try and remove it when presented with a mirror. Gotta replicate those published results :)
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
have a good time
WhiteRonin ago
And Galilei for his efforts got busted for hearsay and was put under House arrest by the ((( Christians ))) !
BlowjaySimpson ago
WhiteRonin ago
Bingo!
Kekmet-Peperoni ago
i heard gallileo got busted for HEARSAY, Oh no am i next. LMFAO
Tallest_Skil ago
Eat shit, gooklover.
WhiteRonin ago
Eat dog shit fatty lover!
Tallest_Skil ago
lol you’re a traitor
IGiveZeroFucks ago
Not a valid argument. Come back with some evidence and try again.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
real Christianity is anti-jewish
Tallest_Skil ago
He’s a race mixer and a paid shill. Ignore everything he says.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I mean I've heard similar things about you recently, I'll ignore whoever I want. Arguing isn't necessarily for convincing the other person, there's the possibility that other people see this and there's also the matter of what is and isn't true and it can be worthwhile to say things simply as an appeal to truth
Tallest_Skil ago
Particularly on websites where masses of LITERAL paid shills gather (coughherecough), it’s extremely useful to out said shills (by showing their inability to respond to a given point) to third party readers. You’re exactly right. It would be much more useful if something like RES’s tagging was built into the site, because most people won’t bother remembering who was or wasn’t a shill (this is a huge asset for jews), but at least there’s the transient exposure…
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
meh, I enjoy an argument regardless if I have the time and energy for it. If anything I'd like better shills to argue with, I kinda miss JIDF given the relative quality compared to shareblue
Tallest_Skil ago
Yeah, after Trump got elected they shifted from control mode to guerilla mode and stopped paying the literate ones.
IGiveZeroFucks ago
That explains a lot about your behavior, then.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
yes this is exactly the problem, a lot of them do it for free. Fucking jobbers with their volunteer shilling
DrPenguin ago
Simple may not be the best adjective.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I mean this is just geometry
Pawn ago
that's already too far for most flat-eathers. You might as well be describing calculus to all the blank dumbfounded dead fish stares you'll get.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I do seem to be running into that issue