If I ran Voat, and wanted to warn people about something, but couldn't communicate the message for some reason1, this is what I would do:
- Do not update the canary, especially months after major events which saw the deplatforming and investigation into right-wing sites
- Make accessing the site extremely frustrating with slow load times and constant "maintenance"
- Shutdown registration
- Prevent non-registered users from viewing the site
- Disallow subverse creation
- Cut off all communication, hoping that they'd start asking why I'm not more active
- Hoping that someone will put all of the above together and realize that something is seriously wrong
1 https://voat.co/v/Voat/3178819
ProTip: I decided to post this before anything legal would prevent me from doing so. I have a feeling I know where this is going to lead.
I've also updated the canary to reflect this as well (this may be the last time that little guy gets an update, we will just have to wait and see).
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hatecrime ago
Clearly something strange is happening. These maintenance messages makes no sense.
Glory_Beckons ago
It's worth remembering that this is NOT the first time...
And, every time, there were always rumors of doom, and gloom, and things that glow in the dark. And yet, we're still here.
Because, every time, Putt just showed up again one day. And it turned out he was just busy, burnt out and/or needed a break.
And then, apparently, everyone forgot about it.
Keep in mind that the "Chill on threats" announcement is 6 months old. Three months later, he made these announcements:
In the latter, he explains why Voat is in lockdown:
And why it must continue for now:
And which ended on this note:
Does this sound like he's compromised and defeated?
Last we heard, he had big plans for the future. For all we know he's busy working on that.
Voat remains locked down because, the moment we open up, we will become target number 1 for leftist thought-crime censors.
8chan is still down, in spite of its admin's monumental efforts to bring it back online. Every time they get close, they get sabotaged again. While it remains down, Voat remains at risk of being deplatformed as well.
I don't think Putt will even consider opening Voat up again until at least one of the following occurs:
At least, that's how I would go about it.
1anddone ago
Good points but why can’t he just log on and say hello
CognitiveDissident5 ago
New registrations are open
Glory_Beckons ago
Woah, you're right. That's a pretty new development, I remember checking not too long ago.
Niggardly_Jew ago
Its sounds like its compromised to me. That sort of bullshit, accusing detractors of being ladyboys, is rule number one out of Saul Alinksy's "rules for radicals": ridicule.
Glipglup ago
I dunno I'm not a radical leftist but I like calling people dumb niggers.
Niggardly_Jew ago
As do I, but to a specific person who is acting like a dumb nigger. I don't generally say that everyone who disagrees with me must be a dumb nigger.
Rotteux ago
But what if they are?
Niggardly_Jew ago
They're not
Agrianian_Javelineer ago
He should make all the current accounts "approved" and flag new accounts, so if the site ever does get ddosed again he can just revert back by making it private again and deleting the flagged accounts
LoveRight ago
@PuttItOut read this dude
Glory_Beckons ago
You wouldn't need a special flag, you could just go by account age. Could use a badge to make it official, I suppose.
But none of that would really help, because it only addresses half of the problem... and poorly at that.
DDoS is not a question of "if" but "when". And when it happens again, that would mean having to delete a lot of new legitimate users to deal with it. At the same time, until new accounts were nuked, it would allow attackers entry and insight about the site and its weaknesses. So it would benefit perpetrators and punish innocents. It would also empower the attackers. Not only would they take the site down temporarily, but also force Putt to permanently delete accounts of legitimate users. Not much of a solution.
DDoS is also only half of the problem. The other is deplatforming. The risk of that skyrockets the moment the lockdown is lifted, because it would give cry bullies ammunition to pressure service providers that Voat relies on. The way it is, they cannot see the site unless they have an account already. And even if they do, they cannot link anyone new to anything they find (or post themselves to agitate).
Agrianian_Javelineer ago
Who cares
I'm sure "attackers" already such insights.
Agrianian_Javelineer ago
Actually the fact he hasn't done something as obvious and straightforward as that already makes me raise eyebrows
1moar ago
Spot on
Maggotfeast ago
What is the voat canary?
PaulNeriAustralia ago
I'm glad you asked. I...I didn't have the courage.
Glory_Beckons ago
/v/announcements/1330806
Note the last edit time, in the side bar, under Submission Info:
Every time Putt updates that post, he is effectively reaffirming the notice.
A court can compel him not to disclose that he has been ordered to cooperate with them, but they cannot compel him to update that notice.
It is the proverbial canary in the coal mine.
Normally, canaries are updated frequently and on a regular schedule. Putt has not been consistent about updating it at all. It routinely goes without an update for months. Which really defeats the purpose and only serves to incite all sorts of rumors.
hang_em_high ago
Last major technical issue that I remember here was fixed by Atko when the database filled up. We haven’t seen him either for ages.
Glory_Beckons ago
Yes, and that was much worse, with Voat going down completely for around a week or so. And it was something completely trivial and easy to fix that caused it. Putt just wasn't around to fix it, and Atko had trouble figuring it out. We also "hadn't seen" Atko for ages before that incident. He "showed up" only when the issues were happening, and then seemingly disappeared again.
hang_em_high ago
All good points. Do you know if the canary was maintained during that time period?
Glory_Beckons ago
I don't remember for certain, but I don't think it was. I think it was months out of date, as usual. I seem to recall people making a fuss about it back then as well. But people always make a fuss about it, so that might just be my memory playing tricks on me.
If one were motivated enough, one could dig through the history on preview.voat.co (where those who knew about it hung out while voat.co was down) during that time, and see if anyone mentioned it. I'm not nearly motivated enough for that though.