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hatecrime ago

Clearly something strange is happening. These maintenance messages makes no sense.

Glory_Beckons ago

It's worth remembering that this is NOT the first time...

  • ... that @PuttItOut has gone MIA for weeks or months
  • ... that Voat was left to float along with intermittent technical issues
  • ... that the canary has gone without an update for ages

And, every time, there were always rumors of doom, and gloom, and things that glow in the dark. And yet, we're still here.

Because, every time, Putt just showed up again one day. And it turned out he was just busy, burnt out and/or needed a break.

And then, apparently, everyone forgot about it.


Keep in mind that the "Chill on threats" announcement is 6 months old. Three months later, he made these announcements:

In the latter, he explains why Voat is in lockdown:

This latest [DDoS] attack was responsive in that they were monitoring Voat. When I turned Voat off, they stopped sending traffic, but within minutes of enabling Voat, they continued their assault.

In response to this dynamic nature, the only thing I could do was to prevent the botnet from being able to function how it was. I accomplished this by requiring Authorized Only access as typical DDOS attacks on a smaller site like Voat don’t usually come with advanced planning (e.g. creating accounts). Based on their persistence and monitoring I had to disable registrations because that would be their next move to get around the first.

And why it must continue for now:

Now fast-forward to CloudFlare, which recently made news for doing something they promised they’d never do again, terminating customer service. They terminated 8chan and while that is horrible in and of itself, they did it in the most callous way possible by giving them mere hours’ notice. They terminated abruptly to inflict the most pain possible, which speaks volumes of the character of that organization.

Meanwhile the anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-free speech advocates that dominate our internet media reveled in their victory, they were already looking for an additional trophy to add to their collection.

This is where I think the hand of God works in mysterious ways. They next came after Voat, but because of the recent attacks, Voat was inaccessible to those without accounts, thus giving them zero content in which to twist and distort in order to pressure a company like CloudFlare (now that they know it works).

And which ended on this note:

Voat has a lot of decisions to make now. Big decisions.

Writing custom software from scratch is already a daunting task, we now also have to contend with an environment that is growing increasingly hostile to basic rights of human communication. They won’t stop, and they can’t stop, because the Truth always wins in the end, and Truth isn’t on their side. It will be a fight each and every day going forward. Prepare.

To the weak: Leave. This isn't a fight for cowards or ladyboys.

I don’t know where this will all end but Voat will do the noble thing and continue standing for principles that are the right of every man and child: the freedom of expression, to be free in thought, to live as free men.

Does this sound like he's compromised and defeated?

Last we heard, he had big plans for the future. For all we know he's busy working on that.

Voat remains locked down because, the moment we open up, we will become target number 1 for leftist thought-crime censors.

8chan is still down, in spite of its admin's monumental efforts to bring it back online. Every time they get close, they get sabotaged again. While it remains down, Voat remains at risk of being deplatformed as well.

I don't think Putt will even consider opening Voat up again until at least one of the following occurs:

  • 8chan comes back online, providing cover and deflecting attention
  • Something drastic changes politically, removing the risk of deplatforming
  • He finds a technical solution to keep Voat safe and operational

At least, that's how I would go about it.

1anddone ago

Good points but why can’t he just log on and say hello

CognitiveDissident5 ago

New registrations are open

Glory_Beckons ago

Woah, you're right. That's a pretty new development, I remember checking not too long ago.

Niggardly_Jew ago

Does this sound like he's compromised and defeated?

To the weak: Leave. This isn't a fight for cowards or ladyboys.

Its sounds like its compromised to me. That sort of bullshit, accusing detractors of being ladyboys, is rule number one out of Saul Alinksy's "rules for radicals": ridicule.

Glipglup ago

I dunno I'm not a radical leftist but I like calling people dumb niggers.

Niggardly_Jew ago

As do I, but to a specific person who is acting like a dumb nigger. I don't generally say that everyone who disagrees with me must be a dumb nigger.

Rotteux ago

But what if they are?

Niggardly_Jew ago

They're not

Agrianian_Javelineer ago

He should make all the current accounts "approved" and flag new accounts, so if the site ever does get ddosed again he can just revert back by making it private again and deleting the flagged accounts

LoveRight ago

@PuttItOut read this dude

Glory_Beckons ago

You wouldn't need a special flag, you could just go by account age. Could use a badge to make it official, I suppose.

But none of that would really help, because it only addresses half of the problem... and poorly at that.

DDoS is not a question of "if" but "when". And when it happens again, that would mean having to delete a lot of new legitimate users to deal with it. At the same time, until new accounts were nuked, it would allow attackers entry and insight about the site and its weaknesses. So it would benefit perpetrators and punish innocents. It would also empower the attackers. Not only would they take the site down temporarily, but also force Putt to permanently delete accounts of legitimate users. Not much of a solution.

DDoS is also only half of the problem. The other is deplatforming. The risk of that skyrockets the moment the lockdown is lifted, because it would give cry bullies ammunition to pressure service providers that Voat relies on. The way it is, they cannot see the site unless they have an account already. And even if they do, they cannot link anyone new to anything they find (or post themselves to agitate).

Agrianian_Javelineer ago

DDoS is not a question of "if" but "when". And when it happens again, that would mean having to delete a lot of new legitimate users to deal with it.

Who cares

At the same time, until new accounts were nuked, it would allow attackers entry and insight about the site and its weaknesses.

I'm sure "attackers" already such insights.

Agrianian_Javelineer ago

Actually the fact he hasn't done something as obvious and straightforward as that already makes me raise eyebrows

1moar ago

Spot on

Maggotfeast ago

What is the voat canary?

PaulNeriAustralia ago

I'm glad you asked. I...I didn't have the courage.

Glory_Beckons ago

/v/announcements/1330806

Note the last edit time, in the side bar, under Submission Info:

Last edit time: 6 months ago on 4/25/2019 12:04:41 AM

Every time Putt updates that post, he is effectively reaffirming the notice.

A court can compel him not to disclose that he has been ordered to cooperate with them, but they cannot compel him to update that notice.

It is the proverbial canary in the coal mine.

Normally, canaries are updated frequently and on a regular schedule. Putt has not been consistent about updating it at all. It routinely goes without an update for months. Which really defeats the purpose and only serves to incite all sorts of rumors.

hang_em_high ago

Last major technical issue that I remember here was fixed by Atko when the database filled up. We haven’t seen him either for ages.

Glory_Beckons ago

Yes, and that was much worse, with Voat going down completely for around a week or so. And it was something completely trivial and easy to fix that caused it. Putt just wasn't around to fix it, and Atko had trouble figuring it out. We also "hadn't seen" Atko for ages before that incident. He "showed up" only when the issues were happening, and then seemingly disappeared again.

hang_em_high ago

All good points. Do you know if the canary was maintained during that time period?

Glory_Beckons ago

I don't remember for certain, but I don't think it was. I think it was months out of date, as usual. I seem to recall people making a fuss about it back then as well. But people always make a fuss about it, so that might just be my memory playing tricks on me.

If one were motivated enough, one could dig through the history on preview.voat.co (where those who knew about it hung out while voat.co was down) during that time, and see if anyone mentioned it. I'm not nearly motivated enough for that though.