As abhorrent as it is, that sub is free speech in action. Pushing for the legalisation of something is not the same as incitement to break the law.
I support their right to exist and would be annoyed if Voat shut it down. This is a true test of Voat's free speech credentials. It's times like this that we put our money where our mouths are and prove that we're above leftist-style censorship.
I disagree on principle. Voat is first and foremost a company not a government, the concepts of free speech and censorship do not carry the weight it does in our real life. The participation on this site is voluntary and governed by rules set by the owners. Rules that can be changed on a whim without notice or your input. Something as abhorrent as promoting child porn or the sexualization of children can be removed without there being threat to "free speech" or promoting "censorship". It's a garbage sub and there is no way to defend it.
Free speech /= 1st Amendment. And yes, censoring anything at all based on such subjective criteria as "being abhorrent" is a threat to free speech. Want to ban all those abhorrent and disgusting things? Then go back to Reddit.
This is permitted to exist because here we believe in free speech. We will not censor anyone, no matter what they say. We will only remove illegal content because well, it is illegal and would give the website problems.
You don't like them? You don't have to. Nobody here mistakes allowing them with condoning them.
Because I'm principled and while I vehemently oppose people doing any kind of pedophilia, I'm not into throught-crimes and think others on the site should be principled too. We've all sat around saying how no one should be shut down for saying nigger or faggot and I'm not stopping there. If you don't like it, move along. Let them sit in their corner.
No link buttercup, just a sub on Voat - an approved sub by the community. Not illegal according to Voat's more prominent members, it's just "free speech" a sub where pedophiles gather and discuss their raping of children under ten. Also, and most important, no one is forcing you - idiot. Bury your head in the sand and let children be exploited. That's your choice, so go fuck yourself retard.
What the fuck you on about you fucking pedo? You linked to a sub that contains whatever and you think it's ok why not just talk about it. I don't want that shit in my history you fucking cock sucker. Maybe if you and your friends stop posting pedo shit Voat wouldn't have a problem. Now shit the fuck up you simple loser fuck.
You seem confused or retarded. Or confused because you are retarded.
"You linked to a sub that contains whatever and you think it's ok why not just talk about it."
This is a confusing statement, most likely because you are retarded.
I don't want that shit in my history you fucking cock sucker.
The post comes with a warning explaining the content, only a retard afraid of the content would actually click the content!
Maybe if you and your friends stop posting pedo shit Voat wouldn't have a problem.
I'm a single person with no alts. If you can prove otherwise, please share. And for clarity, because you are likely mentally deficient, I did not moderate the offensive sub, I reported on it. Impossible to do if I do not have any alts, and I'm one person, retard. Please, explain this issue that Voat is currently having, I would like to hear more.
No you linked to a sub you say is filled with child porn. Also you simple fuck what I said makes perfect sense if you weren't into being a fucking piece of shit you would understand. I can make bs claims too like I am the President. When I see something that is illegal on Voat I message putt not throw up a post with links directly to said illegal content. Also you seem like you have an axe to grind against Voat for their policies so go back to the hug box of cucks you love and call Reddit. Also tell your sick friends that using pedo shit to take down Voat is fucking low.
"No you linked to a sub you say is filled with child porn."
Yes. I posted a link, asking the community why this sub is allowed to exist. Very logical assertion considering the sub deals with the exploitation of children. I've gotten feedback that states it's "free speech" and "do not draw attention because that would lead to censorship".
"Also you simple fuck what I said makes perfect sense if you weren't into being a fucking piece of shit you would understand."
It's not my job in life to decipher your incoherent sentence structures and thoughts. If you want people to hear you, understand you, be more clear and concise.
"I can make bs claims too like I am the President."
Jesus fucking Christ. wut?! Whatever, moving on.
"When I see something that is illegal on Voat I message putt not throw up a post with links directly to said illegal content."
Did not know the first suggestion was an option, that's why I asked A QUESTION, ON ASKVOAT! What is your issues with ASKING a question on ASKVOAT?! Are you fucking retarded?!
"Also you seem like you have an axe to grind against Voat for their policies"
Please elaborate which policies you believe (incorrectly) that I disagree with, if that's even possible for you, tard. By you demanding I be silent on the pedo topic, you know you are siding with the pedophiles, right?!
so go back to the hug box of cucks you love and call Reddit."
No. You have no authority to suggest where I go or where I stay. No power what. so. ever. So stop pretending you do, or that your opinions matter, because they do not. Is that clear enough for you? Do I have to use a meme with bright colors for you to get my point?
Also tell your sick friends that using pedo shit to take down Voat is fucking low."
You keep regurgitating false allegations and fantasy as if they will magically become truth or real. Life must be difficult for you. Go on get from here.
I'm glad you agree with me, but you can't agree with me then project your fantasies. That's not how this works. I mean, I'm glad you admit to being a homosexual and a crypto child fucker, but that's not for me to judge. Just KYS and make the world a little less dull, retard.
This is how the left is going to take down the last free speech sites. Load them up with bullshit shill pedo crap for a month or two. Then try to shine as many lights from across the mediaverse on said free speech site, then try to fan the flames and get the site shut down or de listed. It is happening across a couple of other sites too.
I think abovetopsecret.com had something similar happen recently.
My point exactly. but people in this thread keep saying it's an expression of free speech. I say it's crossed a line. it's a direct threat to the community, and to children. if it's just a troll sub, they should delete it. If anyone wants to defend it, their accounts should be limited to talk to only those in that gross sub. It's just so fucking unsavory.
My posts there asking @puttitout to remove due to breaking Voat rules were deleted. The sick fuck that started that sub is a shill looking to hurt Voat, since the recent attacks failed.
Shoulda woulda coulda. Just watch and learn, sometimes make some remarks and see that nobody absolutely fucking cares enough to do anything functional(besides bitching). Even if you are right.
If it's pedo shit, it's probably a Leftwing tech op trying to smear shit on voat. Duh. This is old news, low rent, low tech, knuckle dragging tactics. I'd be embarrassed to draw a paycheck producing that kind of shit unless I was a subversive trying to drive the boat into the rocks.
If your assertions are correct then what's the hold up on the showrunners deleting this shit sub quick and in a hurry? I'm sure it's been reported more than by myself? At least I fucking hope so!
I agree. There should be a way of reporting it without going to it, per say. If it falls under free speech as some have said in this thread, (with harming children I draw the line) it should be blacked out require a password to enter, or blocked into a back room and walled up. It's a subverse just like any other here in that you can go to the page and not click any topics. I won't go back, but I had to click on the verse to get the name. I feel this is a disgruntled user or a jew trying to sabotage the site as a whole. Probably a Reddit cunt or both.
Yes, we should put them in quarantine, right? Just like Reddit. Fuck off. We either have full free speech or we don't.
If you actually see something illegal you can report it to PuttItOut, but it has to be something actually illegal. As in, either a direct threat or literal, naked CP. Not posts defending pedophilia, not loli. And yeah, you will have to actually check it out yourself.
voat is a private company they have every right to edit the content on this sight as they see fit, especially if it concerns the sexualization of children, Free Speech is not applicable here. We are governed by the owners of Voat and their moral outlook not the government. My goal was to bring attention to this abhorrent sub, nothing more. Let the owners decide if they want the content to remain or not. If you don't like what I did file it under my expression of "free speech" and leave me be. Or, you know, be a hypocrite.
Free Speech /= 1st Amendment. And it doesn't matter if the owners like or not(which they don't), since here we have free speech. Want to ban all those abhorrent things? Go back to Reddit.
And it doesn't matter if the owners like or not(which they don't), since here we have free speech.
You don't get it. This company isn't bound by the constitution, idiot. This company is not a government. No one is forcing YOU to be here, it's voluntary. Also they have a set of community rules that can possibly deny such open talk about fucking children. Which you do not support. Gross.
Also you have no say in whether I stay or go, so please stop pretending your opinions matter, or carry weight, because they don't.
You just don't get it and I know for sure, you never will.
There should be a way of reporting it without going to it, per say.
Voat has banned some subs for far less. Idc if you're racist, an asshole or want to talk about killingduhcrackers.jpeg. But hurting kids. C'mon man. I hope we can all agree that it's not right. And don't give me that "it's relative" bullshit. I am becoming more liberal by the day but i'm not leftist or idiotic to believe that hurting kids is SUBJECTIVE in the ethical or moral constitution. It's illegal, it's not right, it needs to begonesatan.gif
To report it, I would just PM these 2 accounts. They both created the site if i'm not mistaken
I like free speech, but hurting ANYONE is where lines should be drawn. Just like right to bear arms is cool, until people (on a case-by-case individual basis, not a fan of gun regulations) start getting hurt.
EDIT: Voat still uses email, so. To officially report it via email go here: [email protected]
I like free speech, but hurting ANYONE is where lines should be drawn. Just like right to bear arms is cool, until people (on a case-by-case individual basis, not a fan of gun regulations) start getting hurt.
So the name stand for "Pedophilia is Normal and Healthy Always." Six subscribers - my guess is one person's alts. Sounds like a troll sub. It's someone posting pro-pedo shit in order to get a rise out of people. OP is either an alt of the troll, posting this to get more attention, or a gullible dupe giving the troll exactly what he wants.
Not a dupe, nor a troll. Attention yes, so maybe someone will delete the sub. If you doubt me, doubt me. but do not lump me in with this fucking filth.
You are wrong and suggest staying silent and not reporting this because it would be "playing into the trolls hands". Fucking ridiculous! Raise the alarms! Get the community involved in making a sound decision - asshole! Crawl back into your fucking pit nigger.
You're not getting anyone involved in making a sound decision, you're very clearly advocating censorship. This isn't a question of morality it's a cut and dry scenario. If there's nothing illegal being posted on that sub then there's no reason to get rid of it.
Understood. My apologies for being human and reacting in a way that might have been taken out of context. I do believe in censorship if that means removing subs that appear to promote the sexualization of children. As a grandparent, a parent, and the patriarch of my family I abhor sub human creatures that exploit children for any reason even if it's just a troll sub. It may not be "illegal" per say, but this is a public space owned by a company and they can set the tone however they see fit. Nothing you or I can do about that.
I will not apologize for my actions nor any statements pertaining to this particular sub, content, or subject. I expressed my opinions and that's covered under "free speech" according to voats scholars.What I will do from now on if I see child pornography, pedophilia, or the promotion of any of it I will just quietly forward it to the authorities. I'll let the government decide if this posses a threat to the public or not. F.Y.I. I fucking hate the government. Maybe nothing will get done, maybe someone will get a knock on the door, maybe I'll be labeled a nutter buy the authorities and the community here, I do not care. but I can't simply do nothing.
So open the door to selective censorship ? Why feed the trolls ?
Don't fall into the trap being set by these shills, It's a tactic they've tried before with a different flavor.
No need to larp about the content getting me in trouble for clicking on it, I won't take your word for it.
Nothing in those posts is illegal, nothing. I can say that with assurance because instead of being a virtue signaling niggerfaggot pushing for blind censorship of offensive material, I actually clicked every fucking post in there to form an informed opinion on what was being posted.
The few image posts are cartoons & don't bear the status of CP in legal terms. This has been adressed before on Voat & US Legal system.
Now stop promoting censorship or I'll have to think you're behind this & a big larping faggot.
You seem used to this abhorrent behavior of dealing with people that like to fuck children, I am not. I may have reacted poorly in your cynical eyes, but I did what I thought was best for the over health of the site. It's still a privately owned site and they can pull whatever material they wish and they do not need your approval.
I was attempting to shed a light on what seemed to me a dark corner nothing more. It seems the majority of voat doesn't mind if pedophiles use the site to promote their behavior, got it, loud and clear, chief. If you don't like anything I've said, or anything I've posted just chalk it up to my expression of "free speech" and leave me be.
Don't try and censor me, just walk away just ignore what I have to say on this specific topic. Unless your advice is only applicable for me?
I was being sardonic. You may be having a single conversation with one person, I've had to deal with multiple voat "scholars" on this subject. By the time I got to your contribution I was a bit irritated with your opinions. It's my conclusion that from now on I will report these subs quietly to the authorities, and to the media, or social media and frankly I hate all of these institutions. Some one might get a knock on the door, maybe nothing will happen, I might be labeled a nutter by the authorities or this community but I can not simply do nothing
I just saw links, topics, words I guess, got the gist and split. Stumbled over it in /v/new. Thought it was some muslim shit. Just stunned that it was permitted unchallenged.
I was banned from the sub when I posted three comments requesting @puttitout to remove the sub for promoting illegal activity. The sub needs to be deleted to prevent Voat from becoming a knuckle dragging pedo site. I'm all for free speech, except for pushing child porn. The shills have a new tactic. Don't let them win.
There is the shouting fire in the theater exception, according to SCOTUS. So, there are exceptions. The pedo-pushing posts may or may not be an exception. The two subs themselves seem like shill subs to me.
if it's illegal it will be deleted, if not then it's free to stay
What the fuck does that even mean?
Do you realize that only admins and moderators can delete things from this site? FBI can't just snipe content out when they get tipped about it. When you say that it will get deleted if it is illegal, then it means that the only way it can be deleted is if it is reported to the admins of the site, and as arbitrators, they decide if it is illegal or not, then act on it.
Pedophilia by itself is neither speech nor action, it is a mental condition. Speech related to pedophilia is speech and so is subject to the same rules of legality or illegality as any other speech. There are only a few instances in which speech itself crosses the line into criminal illegality and those are usually cases where the speech is closely connected to the furtherance of illegal acts.
If they engage in pedophilia, they commit crimes. If they post child pornography, they commit crimes. If they talk about the joys of pedophilia, they may be gross ass fucks who deserve eternal torment, but they haven't committed a crime.
The price of free speech is having to let these fuckers talk if they want. If it really bothers you, then go downvoat them.
Its a heavy handed attack on the principle of free speech. If you were to be a free speech absolutist you would have to say that it was allowed and that it may rise and fall on its merits. The reason these people use this technique is so they can smear all free speech with the same brush. Its a tired old tactic which is why its so transperent.
i don't get how you can equate pedophilia to free speech... i don't understand how stomping pedophiles is an attack on free speech.
makes no sense to me. those who defend it is equally as guilty for the degeneracy as those who rape children. (inb4 you say something along the lines; "if pedophiles have their urges satisfied with CP they won't attack children." Straight to the gas chamber together with the kikes)
I harmonise with your sentiment strongly. My only leeway is ensuring there is an availability of psychological aid for those who start having fantasies and need to deal with it. Just like faggotry peados are often victims dealing with their own sexual wounds. Professional help can save some of them, many are a lost cause.
Edit: oh and the equation of free speech and pedofillia isnt the point, the point is how the argument unfolds for the audience.
I'm not offended by anything that's ever been on Voat. I see this as a technique to discredit Voat by slamming it with pro-pedo posts. It's a bad idea to keep it around.
Find a post where they are conspiring to do something illegal. Then it's illegal. Simply talking about something that is illegal is not, itself, illegal.
It's gross, and it's sick shit. But, it's not illegal and, unfortunately, needs to be protected.
OP please describe the link in the text box and warn anyone that it's pedo related content please.
I can smell the divide and conquer tactics already. Pedos need to be BTFO. Sexualising minors should be a felony. Voat is supposed to be a freedom of expression platform so be ready for the whining calls about freedom of expression. NO PEDOS ALLOWED.
First is pedos, then it's neonazis and so on. Unless they post CP, they can stay here. Free speech requires sacrifices. If you are not willing to make them, go to another place with values more akin to yours.
Everything we do discredits Voat. FPH discredits us, as does Identitarian, and does v/Conspiracy and everything else. I won't sacrifice the whole purpose of Voat just so the normies think slightly better of us.
Downvoating doesn't prevent search engine spiders from picking the posts up and appealing to pedos looking for anything that they think is child porn related. It needs to go away. Anyone standing on a corner of a city shouting, what the sicko posts say, would be arrested for harassment. Free speech doesn't allow people to shout fire in a crowded theater, per the SCOTUS. This pedo pushing needs to be considered an analog. It's damaging.
This is the promotion or to foster the harm of children sexually. This is not something I would consider "Free Speech". It should be burned to the ground and the users banned just for being fucking unsavory.
Is having pictures or videos of diddling kids breaking any laws?
Yes. But simply being a pedophile doesn't mean you have pictures of diddling kids. I don't think anyone on voat is in favor of allowing people to post actual pictures of kids getting diddled. (Well, maybe some people are, but that's not what's happening in any of the subs in question, and not what I hear when people talk about "free speech.")
Is writing long walls of text detailing your fantasy of hurting little kids breaking any laws?
No, not any more than writing long walls of texts detailing your fantasies of taking ecstasy is illegal. What you're talking about is called thought crime, and is pretty much the essence of what voat is supposed to be against. Having thoughts and opinions shouldn't be punished. Taking action that leads to the harm of others is a completely different story.
Is writing long walls of text detailing your fantasy of hurting little kids breaking any laws?
This question (in a more generic form) has been legally debated for centuries. In itself, a work of fiction is mostly covered under free speech, but there are various state laws that restrict or prohibit interstate exchange of lewd, obscene or indecent material. Centuries ago, this applied both to travelers physically crossing state borders and to the content being mailed across states, and today, internet services are also often viewed in court as interstate exchange.
Owning "erotica" that depicts minors is arguably legal (free speech), but sharing it worldwide is still probably illegal.
This topic is very contentious, and things get way murkier when talking about drawings (lolicon). Is it illegal to draw minors engaged in sexual acts? Unlikely, as it falls under art. It is probably illegal to sell or distribute said art, though, as the various interstate obscenity laws will cover this.
On the same topic, would it be illegal to draw minors engaged in sexual acts, based on memories of an act that happened (i.e. non-fiction) ? For instance, a sexual abuse victim may want to draw a scene from their childhood, as a form of therapy. Rationally, it seems no different than reenactments, drawings or paintings of murder cases, or other material that can be judged as obscene as that.
Well, I didn't click the sub. But I believe there have been subs which were harbingers of child porn. I get what you are saying about thought crimes. But some people on Voat think pics of underage kids is just A-Okay muh free speech etc. That is what I am primarily railing against.
I can agree with that, but to my knowledge no one here is discussing the posting of actual pictures of kiddie porn. There's one sub that posts illustrated pictures of kids (drawings/hentai), which I would agree is very borderline, but since it's not even illegal in the US and obviously doesn't actually harm anyone I'd have to say I'm against banning them. Other than that, one of the subs is just pictures of fully clothed young/teenage girls like you would find on their own facebooks, and the other doesn't involve many pictures at all and is just a sub for pedo-activism.
I completely disagree with any and all posters/subscribers of any of those subs, but they're not actually hurting anyone, and as soon as we start silencing people just because we disagree with them, we start the slippery slope to banning people who make fun of fatties or talk about how violent niggers are.
If their posts/comments aren't physically causing harm to anyone, then it's pretty simple enough to just ignore or downvote the stuff we disagree with.
Scruffy_Nerfherder ago
I down voat it - it’s repulsive.
EuropeanRapeWar ago
As abhorrent as it is, that sub is free speech in action. Pushing for the legalisation of something is not the same as incitement to break the law.
I support their right to exist and would be annoyed if Voat shut it down. This is a true test of Voat's free speech credentials. It's times like this that we put our money where our mouths are and prove that we're above leftist-style censorship.
gentlemanadventurer ago
I disagree on principle. Voat is first and foremost a company not a government, the concepts of free speech and censorship do not carry the weight it does in our real life. The participation on this site is voluntary and governed by rules set by the owners. Rules that can be changed on a whim without notice or your input. Something as abhorrent as promoting child porn or the sexualization of children can be removed without there being threat to "free speech" or promoting "censorship". It's a garbage sub and there is no way to defend it.
EIMR ago
Free speech /= 1st Amendment. And yes, censoring anything at all based on such subjective criteria as "being abhorrent" is a threat to free speech. Want to ban all those abhorrent and disgusting things? Then go back to Reddit.
Bigz_Sarducci ago
Yeah that sub is soooo wrong. Ugh.
R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd ago
Pedo jew planting CP alert.
EIMR ago
This is permitted to exist because here we believe in free speech. We will not censor anyone, no matter what they say. We will only remove illegal content because well, it is illegal and would give the website problems.
You don't like them? You don't have to. Nobody here mistakes allowing them with condoning them.
Jimbonez_Jonez ago
Because I'm principled and while I vehemently oppose people doing any kind of pedophilia, I'm not into throught-crimes and think others on the site should be principled too. We've all sat around saying how no one should be shut down for saying nigger or faggot and I'm not stopping there. If you don't like it, move along. Let them sit in their corner.
scoopadoop ago
We don't have the power to censor them, but we can burn their subs to the ground
RumpRangerRick ago
@puttitout. I'm begging you man. In the name that is good and holy. Please nuke with extreme prejudice.
That sort of repugnant shit isn't what Voat is about, dude.
10986628? ago
@hecho do you have your filthy hands associated with this?
FortressOmega ago
You stupid fuck op, why link to shit you think is illegal. I don't want to see illegal shit. Op go fuck yourself.
gentlemanadventurer ago
No link buttercup, just a sub on Voat - an approved sub by the community. Not illegal according to Voat's more prominent members, it's just "free speech" a sub where pedophiles gather and discuss their raping of children under ten. Also, and most important, no one is forcing you - idiot. Bury your head in the sand and let children be exploited. That's your choice, so go fuck yourself retard.
FortressOmega ago
What the fuck you on about you fucking pedo? You linked to a sub that contains whatever and you think it's ok why not just talk about it. I don't want that shit in my history you fucking cock sucker. Maybe if you and your friends stop posting pedo shit Voat wouldn't have a problem. Now shit the fuck up you simple loser fuck.
gentlemanadventurer ago
You seem confused or retarded. Or confused because you are retarded.
This is a confusing statement, most likely because you are retarded.
The post comes with a warning explaining the content, only a retard afraid of the content would actually click the content!
I'm a single person with no alts. If you can prove otherwise, please share. And for clarity, because you are likely mentally deficient, I did not moderate the offensive sub, I reported on it. Impossible to do if I do not have any alts, and I'm one person, retard. Please, explain this issue that Voat is currently having, I would like to hear more.
This, coming from you?! Enlightening.
FortressOmega ago
No you linked to a sub you say is filled with child porn. Also you simple fuck what I said makes perfect sense if you weren't into being a fucking piece of shit you would understand. I can make bs claims too like I am the President. When I see something that is illegal on Voat I message putt not throw up a post with links directly to said illegal content. Also you seem like you have an axe to grind against Voat for their policies so go back to the hug box of cucks you love and call Reddit. Also tell your sick friends that using pedo shit to take down Voat is fucking low.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Yes. I posted a link, asking the community why this sub is allowed to exist. Very logical assertion considering the sub deals with the exploitation of children. I've gotten feedback that states it's "free speech" and "do not draw attention because that would lead to censorship".
It's not my job in life to decipher your incoherent sentence structures and thoughts. If you want people to hear you, understand you, be more clear and concise.
Jesus fucking Christ. wut?! Whatever, moving on.
Did not know the first suggestion was an option, that's why I asked A QUESTION, ON ASKVOAT! What is your issues with ASKING a question on ASKVOAT?! Are you fucking retarded?!
Please elaborate which policies you believe (incorrectly) that I disagree with, if that's even possible for you, tard. By you demanding I be silent on the pedo topic, you know you are siding with the pedophiles, right?!
No. You have no authority to suggest where I go or where I stay. No power what. so. ever. So stop pretending you do, or that your opinions matter, because they do not. Is that clear enough for you? Do I have to use a meme with bright colors for you to get my point?
You keep regurgitating false allegations and fantasy as if they will magically become truth or real. Life must be difficult for you. Go on get from here.
FortressOmega ago
Cool story pedo
gentlemanadventurer ago
You got wrecked by your own words, son. You must have such a shit life. LOL!
FortressOmega ago
Oh ok you got me I was so wrecked pedo have a good day, fag.
gentlemanadventurer ago
I'm glad you agree with me, but you can't agree with me then project your fantasies. That's not how this works. I mean, I'm glad you admit to being a homosexual and a crypto child fucker, but that's not for me to judge. Just KYS and make the world a little less dull, retard.
FortressOmega ago
Ok buddy
LCCVC ago
This is how the left is going to take down the last free speech sites. Load them up with bullshit shill pedo crap for a month or two. Then try to shine as many lights from across the mediaverse on said free speech site, then try to fan the flames and get the site shut down or de listed. It is happening across a couple of other sites too.
I think abovetopsecret.com had something similar happen recently.
gentlemanadventurer ago
My point exactly. but people in this thread keep saying it's an expression of free speech. I say it's crossed a line. it's a direct threat to the community, and to children. if it's just a troll sub, they should delete it. If anyone wants to defend it, their accounts should be limited to talk to only those in that gross sub. It's just so fucking unsavory.
VoatIsForTimmy ago
My posts there asking @puttitout to remove due to breaking Voat rules were deleted. The sick fuck that started that sub is a shill looking to hurt Voat, since the recent attacks failed.
albatrosv13 ago
They are not pedophiles. It's just to discredit voat.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Or, they are both. It should be fire blasted off the servers and the servers burned in a volcano.
albatrosv13 ago
Shoulda woulda coulda. Just watch and learn, sometimes make some remarks and see that nobody absolutely fucking cares enough to do anything functional(besides bitching). Even if you are right.
lexsird ago
If it's pedo shit, it's probably a Leftwing tech op trying to smear shit on voat. Duh. This is old news, low rent, low tech, knuckle dragging tactics. I'd be embarrassed to draw a paycheck producing that kind of shit unless I was a subversive trying to drive the boat into the rocks.
kek.
gentlemanadventurer ago
If your assertions are correct then what's the hold up on the showrunners deleting this shit sub quick and in a hurry? I'm sure it's been reported more than by myself? At least I fucking hope so!
lexsird ago
I don't know. You'd think. Right? Fuck 'em.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
MESSAGE THESE 2 GUYS TO REPORT THIS SHIT
https://voat.co/user/PuttItOut
and
https://voat.co/u/Atko
Let's burn this shit to the ground indeed.
Sad that the only thing humans and Voaters (LOL) can unite on and agree on is that we need to end pedophilic bullshit.
gentlemanadventurer ago
copy, lighthouse. Will do. Thank you for the information.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
Report it.
This is what free speech in its most extreme form (4chan, voat etc) brings.
I won't even dare click that link. Shit is WAY too damn hot (as in, it's a risky click. Hot is a bad choice of words. INB4 eff bee eye)
Need another way of reporting.
Perhaps a fellowbrah can link us report a subverse link so we don't have to step on this landmine FBI bust waiting to happen.
Pedos shouldn't die, this is America. We all have a constitutional right to due process, a trial etc. This isn't 1617 nor is it Salem.
gentlemanadventurer ago
I agree. There should be a way of reporting it without going to it, per say. If it falls under free speech as some have said in this thread, (with harming children I draw the line) it should be blacked out require a password to enter, or blocked into a back room and walled up. It's a subverse just like any other here in that you can go to the page and not click any topics. I won't go back, but I had to click on the verse to get the name. I feel this is a disgruntled user or a jew trying to sabotage the site as a whole. Probably a Reddit cunt or both.
EIMR ago
Yes, we should put them in quarantine, right? Just like Reddit. Fuck off. We either have full free speech or we don't.
If you actually see something illegal you can report it to PuttItOut, but it has to be something actually illegal. As in, either a direct threat or literal, naked CP. Not posts defending pedophilia, not loli. And yeah, you will have to actually check it out yourself.
gentlemanadventurer ago
voat is a private company they have every right to edit the content on this sight as they see fit, especially if it concerns the sexualization of children, Free Speech is not applicable here. We are governed by the owners of Voat and their moral outlook not the government. My goal was to bring attention to this abhorrent sub, nothing more. Let the owners decide if they want the content to remain or not. If you don't like what I did file it under my expression of "free speech" and leave me be. Or, you know, be a hypocrite.
EIMR ago
Free Speech /= 1st Amendment. And it doesn't matter if the owners like or not(which they don't), since here we have free speech. Want to ban all those abhorrent things? Go back to Reddit.
gentlemanadventurer ago
You don't get it. This company isn't bound by the constitution, idiot. This company is not a government. No one is forcing YOU to be here, it's voluntary. Also they have a set of community rules that can possibly deny such open talk about fucking children. Which you do not support. Gross.
Also you have no say in whether I stay or go, so please stop pretending your opinions matter, or carry weight, because they don't.
You just don't get it and I know for sure, you never will.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
Voat has banned some subs for far less. Idc if you're racist, an asshole or want to talk about killingduhcrackers.jpeg. But hurting kids. C'mon man. I hope we can all agree that it's not right. And don't give me that "it's relative" bullshit. I am becoming more liberal by the day but i'm not leftist or idiotic to believe that hurting kids is SUBJECTIVE in the ethical or moral constitution. It's illegal, it's not right, it needs to begonesatan.gif
To report it, I would just PM these 2 accounts. They both created the site if i'm not mistaken
https://voat.co/user/PuttItOut
and
https://voat.co/u/Atko
DayOfTheBurn #BurnThisToTheGround.
I like free speech, but hurting ANYONE is where lines should be drawn. Just like right to bear arms is cool, until people (on a case-by-case individual basis, not a fan of gun regulations) start getting hurt.
EDIT: Voat still uses email, so. To officially report it via email go here: [email protected]
Voat brahs. Catch up with the times. Fuck email.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
To report it, I would just PM these 2 accounts. They both created the site if i'm not mistaken
https://voat.co/user/PuttItOut
and
https://voat.co/u/Atko
DayOfTheBurn #BurnThisToTheGround.
I like free speech, but hurting ANYONE is where lines should be drawn. Just like right to bear arms is cool, until people (on a case-by-case individual basis, not a fan of gun regulations) start getting hurt.
NassTee ago
So the name stand for "Pedophilia is Normal and Healthy Always." Six subscribers - my guess is one person's alts. Sounds like a troll sub. It's someone posting pro-pedo shit in order to get a rise out of people. OP is either an alt of the troll, posting this to get more attention, or a gullible dupe giving the troll exactly what he wants.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Not a dupe, nor a troll. Attention yes, so maybe someone will delete the sub. If you doubt me, doubt me. but do not lump me in with this fucking filth.
NassTee ago
Better luck next time, troll.
gentlemanadventurer ago
You are wrong and suggest staying silent and not reporting this because it would be "playing into the trolls hands". Fucking ridiculous! Raise the alarms! Get the community involved in making a sound decision - asshole! Crawl back into your fucking pit nigger.
The_Prophets_Profit ago
You're not getting anyone involved in making a sound decision, you're very clearly advocating censorship. This isn't a question of morality it's a cut and dry scenario. If there's nothing illegal being posted on that sub then there's no reason to get rid of it.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Understood. My apologies for being human and reacting in a way that might have been taken out of context. I do believe in censorship if that means removing subs that appear to promote the sexualization of children. As a grandparent, a parent, and the patriarch of my family I abhor sub human creatures that exploit children for any reason even if it's just a troll sub. It may not be "illegal" per say, but this is a public space owned by a company and they can set the tone however they see fit. Nothing you or I can do about that.
I will not apologize for my actions nor any statements pertaining to this particular sub, content, or subject. I expressed my opinions and that's covered under "free speech" according to voats scholars.What I will do from now on if I see child pornography, pedophilia, or the promotion of any of it I will just quietly forward it to the authorities. I'll let the government decide if this posses a threat to the public or not. F.Y.I. I fucking hate the government. Maybe nothing will get done, maybe someone will get a knock on the door, maybe I'll be labeled a nutter buy the authorities and the community here, I do not care. but I can't simply do nothing.
FireSauce ago
Already deleting things
https://kek.gg/i/8f4-4k.png
goatboy ago
Its just trolling.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Then it should be deleted with no worries about "Free speech" and what not. Just a Troll account - boom - deleted. no worries.
Rotteuxx ago
So open the door to selective censorship ? Why feed the trolls ?
Don't fall into the trap being set by these shills, It's a tactic they've tried before with a different flavor.
No need to larp about the content getting me in trouble for clicking on it, I won't take your word for it.
Nothing in those posts is illegal, nothing. I can say that with assurance because instead of being a virtue signaling niggerfaggot pushing for blind censorship of offensive material, I actually clicked every fucking post in there to form an informed opinion on what was being posted.
The few image posts are cartoons & don't bear the status of CP in legal terms. This has been adressed before on Voat & US Legal system.
Now stop promoting censorship or I'll have to think you're behind this & a big larping faggot.
gentlemanadventurer ago
You seem used to this abhorrent behavior of dealing with people that like to fuck children, I am not. I may have reacted poorly in your cynical eyes, but I did what I thought was best for the over health of the site. It's still a privately owned site and they can pull whatever material they wish and they do not need your approval.
I was attempting to shed a light on what seemed to me a dark corner nothing more. It seems the majority of voat doesn't mind if pedophiles use the site to promote their behavior, got it, loud and clear, chief. If you don't like anything I've said, or anything I've posted just chalk it up to my expression of "free speech" and leave me be.
Don't try and censor me, just walk away just ignore what I have to say on this specific topic. Unless your advice is only applicable for me?
Rotteuxx ago
What the fuck are you fallaciously talking about ?
gentlemanadventurer ago
I was being sardonic. You may be having a single conversation with one person, I've had to deal with multiple voat "scholars" on this subject. By the time I got to your contribution I was a bit irritated with your opinions. It's my conclusion that from now on I will report these subs quietly to the authorities, and to the media, or social media and frankly I hate all of these institutions. Some one might get a knock on the door, maybe nothing will happen, I might be labeled a nutter by the authorities or this community but I can not simply do nothing
Rotteuxx ago
If it's illegal, go right ahead, get those pedos busted.
If it's just talk & gas lighting, hopefully you don't get emotionally manipulated into getting painted as a nutter.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Fair enough.
Lemongarb ago
What, exactly, is it?
gentlemanadventurer ago
The promotion of sex with children, young children under ten.
Lemongarb ago
How so? Images? Words?
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
it's just hentai, and @gentlemanadventurer is a faggot who wants to censor things that hurt nobody because it offends him
he doesn't know what free speech is, and should go back to reddit like the nigger loving kike-bitch he is
gentlemanadventurer ago
I just saw links, topics, words I guess, got the gist and split. Stumbled over it in /v/new. Thought it was some muslim shit. Just stunned that it was permitted unchallenged.
BB-3 ago
Unless it's actual child porn, it's not against voat's TOS.
tanukihat ago
Did you not see the other 100+ comment thread about this
gentlemanadventurer ago
You answered your own question.
Thisismyvoatusername ago
Voat allows people to post content unless it is illegal. If you think the content on the sub is illegal then report it.
VoatIsForTimmy ago
I was banned from the sub when I posted three comments requesting @puttitout to remove the sub for promoting illegal activity. The sub needs to be deleted to prevent Voat from becoming a knuckle dragging pedo site. I'm all for free speech, except for pushing child porn. The shills have a new tactic. Don't let them win.
EuropeanRapeWar ago
So you don't support free speech then. It's a binary proposition. No exceptions. And I hate that sub btw.
VoatIsForTimmy ago
There is the shouting fire in the theater exception, according to SCOTUS. So, there are exceptions. The pedo-pushing posts may or may not be an exception. The two subs themselves seem like shill subs to me.
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
"i'm all for free speech, except when it's stuff that offends me"
go fuck yourself back to reddit you fucking nigger
if it's illegal it will be deleted, if not then it's free to stay
you're a fucking nigger loving faggot bitch
wakkablam ago
What the fuck does that even mean?
Do you realize that only admins and moderators can delete things from this site? FBI can't just snipe content out when they get tipped about it. When you say that it will get deleted if it is illegal, then it means that the only way it can be deleted is if it is reported to the admins of the site, and as arbitrators, they decide if it is illegal or not, then act on it.
By an admin, of course.
Rotteuxx ago
What ? You think we want camcerous mods to take over & tell us what content is ok & not someone who'll base his decisions on legality ?
Welcome_fags ago
How is pedophilia free speech you stupid degenerate fag?
Thisismyvoatusername ago
Pedophilia by itself is neither speech nor action, it is a mental condition. Speech related to pedophilia is speech and so is subject to the same rules of legality or illegality as any other speech. There are only a few instances in which speech itself crosses the line into criminal illegality and those are usually cases where the speech is closely connected to the furtherance of illegal acts.
If they engage in pedophilia, they commit crimes. If they post child pornography, they commit crimes. If they talk about the joys of pedophilia, they may be gross ass fucks who deserve eternal torment, but they haven't committed a crime.
The price of free speech is having to let these fuckers talk if they want. If it really bothers you, then go downvoat them.
Welcome_fags ago
LOL you should write for salon. I'm apparently the only fascist on this site because i believe tradition and values goes above your freedom of speech.
LMAO, what punishment that is.
I will not advocate nor allow for the normalization of pedophilia unlike the rest of ya people.
barraccuda ago
(((Free speech)))
Welcome_fags ago
Exactly, they wanna push this narrative so hard. Fucking degenerates, gas them all.
barraccuda ago
Its a heavy handed attack on the principle of free speech. If you were to be a free speech absolutist you would have to say that it was allowed and that it may rise and fall on its merits. The reason these people use this technique is so they can smear all free speech with the same brush. Its a tired old tactic which is why its so transperent.
Welcome_fags ago
i don't get how you can equate pedophilia to free speech... i don't understand how stomping pedophiles is an attack on free speech.
makes no sense to me. those who defend it is equally as guilty for the degeneracy as those who rape children. (inb4 you say something along the lines; "if pedophiles have their urges satisfied with CP they won't attack children." Straight to the gas chamber together with the kikes)
barraccuda ago
I harmonise with your sentiment strongly. My only leeway is ensuring there is an availability of psychological aid for those who start having fantasies and need to deal with it. Just like faggotry peados are often victims dealing with their own sexual wounds. Professional help can save some of them, many are a lost cause.
Edit: oh and the equation of free speech and pedofillia isnt the point, the point is how the argument unfolds for the audience.
Welcome_fags ago
I don't believe in reformation of pedophiles.
barraccuda ago
Me neither but i concede to leave them the opportunity
VoatIsForTimmy ago
You're a pedo, it seems, and a childish one at that.
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
except i'm not, you're just a faggot who wants censorship when he gets offended
VoatIsForTimmy ago
I'm not offended by anything that's ever been on Voat. I see this as a technique to discredit Voat by slamming it with pro-pedo posts. It's a bad idea to keep it around.
yergi ago
That's EXACTLY the same line reddit used who they first banned /r/niggers.
Slippery slope.
VoatIsForTimmy ago
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. My opinion hasn't changed, but I respect other logical comments on the issue.
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
we all know you're pro-censorship for offensive materials, now fuck off back to reddit, faggot
AinzOown ago
It's very clearly promoting pedophilia which is fucking illegal and just wrong. Fuck off.
yergi ago
Find a post where they are conspiring to do something illegal. Then it's illegal. Simply talking about something that is illegal is not, itself, illegal.
It's gross, and it's sick shit. But, it's not illegal and, unfortunately, needs to be protected.
AinzOown ago
Do I have any desire to defend pedos? Nope. Fuckem.
dontdoxxmefaggots ago
hate me all you want, pedophilia isn't illegal
raping children, filming child rape, distributing said film/photos of child rape, and possession of said film/photos is illegal
there is nothing illegal about drawing pictures
i can't believe how many fucking retards are advocating censorship on voat because they got offended
fucking faggots
Rotteuxx ago
At least I'm not the only one seeing this, my reply to OP :
https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/2227871/10986683
10986606? ago
It's not new, btw report illegal activity here https://www.fbi.gov/tips
VoatIsForTimmy ago
I prefer to see @puttitout put this fire out.
A_Real_Cause ago
OP please describe the link in the text box and warn anyone that it's pedo related content please.
I can smell the divide and conquer tactics already. Pedos need to be BTFO. Sexualising minors should be a felony. Voat is supposed to be a freedom of expression platform so be ready for the whining calls about freedom of expression. NO PEDOS ALLOWED.
EIMR ago
First is pedos, then it's neonazis and so on. Unless they post CP, they can stay here. Free speech requires sacrifices. If you are not willing to make them, go to another place with values more akin to yours.
A_Real_Cause ago
NO. This discredits voat asshole.
yergi ago
That's the same line reddit used when they banned /r/niggers.
Blacksunshine ago
No it doesn't.
EIMR ago
Everything we do discredits Voat. FPH discredits us, as does Identitarian, and does v/Conspiracy and everything else. I won't sacrifice the whole purpose of Voat just so the normies think slightly better of us.
A_Real_Cause ago
Ok then.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Acknowledged, lighthouse. Will comply.
123_456 ago
I suppose this falls under free speech. I'd say just downvoat everything there.
VoatIsForTimmy ago
Downvoating doesn't prevent search engine spiders from picking the posts up and appealing to pedos looking for anything that they think is child porn related. It needs to go away. Anyone standing on a corner of a city shouting, what the sicko posts say, would be arrested for harassment. Free speech doesn't allow people to shout fire in a crowded theater, per the SCOTUS. This pedo pushing needs to be considered an analog. It's damaging.
gentlemanadventurer ago
This is the promotion or to foster the harm of children sexually. This is not something I would consider "Free Speech". It should be burned to the ground and the users banned just for being fucking unsavory.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
Free speech is one thing, being a pedophile is another. Why you were downvoated, I don't know. But anyone who defends this is defending criminals.
I thought many on Voat hated those criminal scum illegal aliens for breakin der law. Smh.
But then turn around and defend criminals and say it's free speech.
One guy wrote a book about exterminating white people and other hateful shit... that's also free speech.
AinzOown ago
Its only 4 downvotes. Clearly he triggered some sick pedos but I assure you most, everyone on here wants pedos to burn.
altident ago
I'm not supporting these guys or anything, but being a pedophile is not breaking any laws.
Having fantasies about murdering people also isn't against the law. There really is no comparison of thought crime to illegal aliens.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
Is having pictures or videos of diddling kids breaking any laws?
Is writing long walls of text detailing your fantasy of hurting little kids breaking any laws?
altident ago
Yes. But simply being a pedophile doesn't mean you have pictures of diddling kids. I don't think anyone on voat is in favor of allowing people to post actual pictures of kids getting diddled. (Well, maybe some people are, but that's not what's happening in any of the subs in question, and not what I hear when people talk about "free speech.")
No, not any more than writing long walls of texts detailing your fantasies of taking ecstasy is illegal. What you're talking about is called thought crime, and is pretty much the essence of what voat is supposed to be against. Having thoughts and opinions shouldn't be punished. Taking action that leads to the harm of others is a completely different story.
wakkablam ago
This question (in a more generic form) has been legally debated for centuries. In itself, a work of fiction is mostly covered under free speech, but there are various state laws that restrict or prohibit interstate exchange of lewd, obscene or indecent material. Centuries ago, this applied both to travelers physically crossing state borders and to the content being mailed across states, and today, internet services are also often viewed in court as interstate exchange.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscenity#Non_image-based_obscenity_cases_in_the_U.S.
This topic is very contentious, and things get way murkier when talking about drawings (lolicon). Is it illegal to draw minors engaged in sexual acts? Unlikely, as it falls under art. It is probably illegal to sell or distribute said art, though, as the various interstate obscenity laws will cover this.
On the same topic, would it be illegal to draw minors engaged in sexual acts, based on memories of an act that happened (i.e. non-fiction) ? For instance, a sexual abuse victim may want to draw a scene from their childhood, as a form of therapy. Rationally, it seems no different than reenactments, drawings or paintings of murder cases, or other material that can be judged as obscene as that.
BleedRedAndYellow ago
Well, I didn't click the sub. But I believe there have been subs which were harbingers of child porn. I get what you are saying about thought crimes. But some people on Voat think pics of underage kids is just A-Okay muh free speech etc. That is what I am primarily railing against.
altident ago
I can agree with that, but to my knowledge no one here is discussing the posting of actual pictures of kiddie porn. There's one sub that posts illustrated pictures of kids (drawings/hentai), which I would agree is very borderline, but since it's not even illegal in the US and obviously doesn't actually harm anyone I'd have to say I'm against banning them. Other than that, one of the subs is just pictures of fully clothed young/teenage girls like you would find on their own facebooks, and the other doesn't involve many pictures at all and is just a sub for pedo-activism.
I completely disagree with any and all posters/subscribers of any of those subs, but they're not actually hurting anyone, and as soon as we start silencing people just because we disagree with them, we start the slippery slope to banning people who make fun of fatties or talk about how violent niggers are.
If their posts/comments aren't physically causing harm to anyone, then it's pretty simple enough to just ignore or downvote the stuff we disagree with.
0rion ago
Death to all pedophiles.
gentlemanadventurer ago
Agreed. Why does this exist?!
10986617? ago
because voat is a very speech website, report illegal activity here https://www.fbi.gov/tips
100LinksToGunter ago
And today was the day I found out plank0 was a bought account. Go fuck yourself and your pedo friends you worthless cunting piece of shit.
10988182? ago
Wait, what? I'm saying if you suspect someone is breaking the law tell the law. Is this bad because a popular poster said it was??
Sire ago
Don't do this. It'll get Voat taken down. Message @puttitout so he's got a chance to get rid of this shit.