you don’t like child porn? Hurr durr why not???

I’m not assuming anything. It’s very clear how conditioned you are into thinking that free speech = good. You take it to be a universal fact so much that when I say child porn is free speech, you take it to mean that I support child porn rather than the actual meaning which is that I don’t support free speech.

In fact this actually proves that you take ‘free speech = good’ as more of a universal truth than ‘child porn = bad’. Nowhere did I ever even hint that I support child porn, and yet you keep pushing that I’m a pedophile - why is that? It’s because when I say “child porn is free speech” you interpret it as me saying “child porn is good”, when in fact what I’m saying is “free speech is bad”. This means that “good” and “free speech” are entirely interchangeable in your mind, yet “bad” and “child porn” don’t seem to be.

When I say that cp is free speech I’m not defending cp; I’m attacking free speech. Whether or not something is free speech is an objective fact and has nothing to do with personal opinions; this is the topic of the discussion by the way (look at the OP again).

If you still can’t grasp what I’m getting at then there’s really no point left in arguing. As for a discussion this is completely hopeless since if it takes this much effort for you to even arrive at the first prerequisite of the topic then you won’t be able to do much with it when/if you actually get there.

Inb4 “yeah but u didn’t answer why u don’t like CP!”

There's porn on voat? Blocked a few subs long ago. Haven't seen any in a long time.

If you think the state should ban anything you area statist bootlicking faggot and should be thrown to the fuckin wolves.

If you Dont have the self control, self respect and desire to stay away from that shit, that's on you.

Dont look at it then

No you fucking retard. Never once did I say anything to suggest that I would either.

I don’t give a shit

Yeah, you’re actually just not capable of discussing simple abstract concepts from the looks of it, so you can only discuss individual characteristics of people instead.

Since you’re only interested in projecting pedophilic tendencies in order to compensate being a brainlet I’ll spell it out again; porn is just as much free speech as innocent cat pictures. Therefore free speech is bad

Kys you useless, weak faggot. You can't stop yourself from masturbating so everyone else has to never post anything that might make you want to?

Lies needs to be censored. Spam and porn are lies.

Should hypnotizing an unwitting victim be protected free speech?

Free speech for whites. Ball gags for kikes. Hell, they'd probably enjoy that.

It isn't just pictures of degenerate whores. It's also videos of hot chicks banging well hung studs.

If I take a picture of a kid at a grocery store and post it online is it considered to be on the same level as pornography?

well, porn is everywhere else on the internet. it doesnt need to be here, too.

Are private home sex videos considered porn? If so then OP can fuck off

Free speech is the key, porn is not free speech. Someone had to pay to make it happen, if cameras weren't involved it would be prostitution. That's not free speech.

Nice try, rabbi. Once you limit what free speech is, authority will use similarly crafted arguments to stifle anything critical of the government, eventually.

Porn is posted mostly off-topic. It should be removed for that reason.

Change the channel. Don’t like it don’t look at it. The is plenty of shit I would care not to see ergo I do not seek it. Anything banned has to be enforced fuck you and your blue jeans.

If you can't control yourself from masturbating is that a jew problem or a you problem?

I don't view porn. But porn is free speech as long as it's a consenting party.

Anti porn is a Jewish stance. Op is Jewish.

It certainly is covered under free speech, but as you said child porn is justifiably banned, if certain subverses would like to ban it also I support this. I would not support a site wide ban only due to principal.

defending child porn

never did that. however, if a picture of a cat is free speech then so is a picture of a penis. porn is free speech and therefore free speech bad.

CP is just pornographic pictures but there's not a soul that would defend it as free speech.

I could have sworn there was an Aaron Swartz quote to this effect but I can't seem to find it anymore.

Yes, I agree.

It isn't speech, it is expression. If the degenerate whores choose to express themselves by having pictures, or video, taken of them naked, or having sex, and shared online they can do that.

1. Porn is documented prostitution.
2. Porn is a kike weapon to slow white birth rates and destroy families.

All speech should be free except for the things I don't like!

Do we have to argue about this every week? Fine. OP's probably a kike trying to push away some important article but I'll play along.

tell us what the message is. What is it trying to communicate?

Speech isn't dependent on what the message is, otherwise we wouldn't be allowed to talk at all.

Voat already crossed that line of censorship when CP was rightfully banned. CP is just pornographic pictures but there's not a soul that would defend it as free speech.

False equivalence. CP is illegal and it's very creation is an act of child abuse. Regular porn involves consenting adults and/or an artist willing to make it.

If you see anyone posting porn on Voat, there's a 100% chance they are a subversive Jewish troll.

I don't post porn because I don't care for it and frankly voat is at its best when posting news above all else, but that holier than thou attitude almost makes me want to.

if your worldview supports free speech but also supports the prohibition of porn then it has a bit of conflict, doesn't it?

Allow the porn poster to post his porn. But put a mandatory badge next to the user name so everyone knows the poster is a porn peddler.

That way he gets to express himself, and we get to see the person is a faggot who needs to be reminded of it.

I don't like the left's blasphemy laws and I don't like yours.

Go start your own forum if you need to censor people.

Everything is free speech or nothing is. Speech that no one is offended by doesnt require protection. It is specifically because porn offends you that it is protected under the first amendment.

Whether your saying that porn is not of a spoken word, then you are crossing a dangerous line that I wont join you in supporting. Wearing clothes that you like is not speech. Wearing a maga hat, hanging a Confederate flag, putting up a presidential candidate sign in the front yard, possibly even posts on the internet could all be considered not speech if you really want to open the door to regulating things that is not speech. This is why we say freedom of expression too is protected.

It doesn't matter if it is free speech or not; regulations, both websites and government, are just ways to centralize power. Voat does this correctly, people can voice their disapproval and shun to get rid of porn, and it works.

I'll disagree with the "ban it" crowd's conclusion, though:

If we accept the expression/speech distinction; pornography's classification as expression, not speech; and even that it's a net harm to society...

The usage & harm pattern looks an awful lot like individual recreational use of the various drugs. As we all know, all of the following have been tried to reduce the societal harm from drug use, each with astounding failure:

• complete prohibition
• legalization & regulation

But one of 'em could definitely work this time, right? Naw.

In my opinion, the best bet anyone's come up with for reducing net harm from addictive behaviors is

1. Decriminalize
2. Regulate production & distribution as a public health concern, not a commercial one
3. Pair distribution with structured access to education, treatment & alternatives
4. Reduce social stigma

A sufficiently-strong state could do the first three. The last one is something that the people have to be ready for. We're actually pretty OK on that last one for porn; less-so for, say, heroin. The key assumption - which seems to be borne out by the precious little experimentation that states around the world have managed to do without getting slammed by the War on Drugs - is that addictive behaviors are a coping mechanism for unfulfilling lives. Work to ensure that folks have a path to be a fulfilled, productive member of a society and while participation with the addicting agent may not vanish, the harmful addictive behaviors, will.

That leads to the final item

5.) Build a society that offers everyone a way to participate in a meaningful, fulfilling way

That's the secret-sauce final ingredient to curing harm from addictive behaviors of any sort in any society, IMO. You do the first four items without the fifth, and the people will slip and wriggle out the cracks at every opportunity. You do the fifth without the first four, and an (artificially-contented) populace will see no reason to expend energy moving from the existing, working promise of happiness to this new one.

It's hard, and it can't be imposed by the state; at best the state can create the opportunity & push some of the population to it. If they did a good job and what they built resonates with the people and they manage to get a critical mass of the people on board with it, then... the zeitgeist will change, and you're home free.

In the case of porn, this could look like

1. ending the porn industry, but not criminalizing individual engagement with porn (no more US porn sites, no more DVDs for sale in novelty shops, no more Playboy magazine, etc)
2. The state takes over the pornography distribution mechanisms, and they look a lot more like doctor's offices & CDC.gov, than the current commercial bling.
3. state programs educating on the harms of pornography - but like, done well, not D.A.R.E. Provide real funding, use real science, & remain engaged throughout all ages of life.
4. As mentioned before, we're pretty OK here right now. Just be sure that as the above changes roll out, pornography use does become generally understood as an inherent, irredeemable character flaw, but rather as an unfortunate, treat-able affliction that could happen to anyone, the curing of which we should all strive for & celebrate.

A key facet of people who make this argument is an actual distinction between "speech," and "expression," which Westerners frequently interchange when talking about the freedom of. This distinction is one of three things necessary to understand in order for folks that don't take this position to accurately understand & respond to it:

Different Definitions of "Speech" & "Expression"

• Expression is just about any message in just about any medium that someone can emit.
• Speech is communicative, exchanging a substantive message between two or more parties of one or more people. It's either constructive, instructive, or informative.

Speech is a narrower subset of "expression."

Except for true "free-speech absolutists," everyone generally agrees that some forms of expression are detrimental-enough to society as a whole that they should be restricted. Think the classic examples of "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater," or "making death threats to the President."

"Speech" has redeeming qualities that earn it stricter protections - protecting it is a valuable thing for a group to concern itself with. "Expression" that isn't speech has (by definition) fewer such qualities, and the bar for restricting it is lower. Expression that isn't speech is less-valuable.

Pornography is Expression, not Speech

People that make the above distinction, then also decide that pornography as a broadcast, mass-market product largely consumed by individuals for the end goal of making temporary high good brain feelings, does not meet the criteria for "speech."

It's just "expression," and not inherently worthy of protecting.

Pornography is a Net Harm to Society

The "Porn isn't speech; ban it" crowd arrive at the first part of that sentence - "porn isn't speech;" - from the first two points above.

They then also - through whatever individual processes that aren't relevant to us here - determine that pornography is a net harm to society.

Their conclusion then, is that it's good & just to ban it. Their "slippery slope" leads only to a place where valueless, harmful things are frowned upon!

The key thing to remember if you engage in a "porn isn't speech; ban it" discussion is to make sure y'all mean the same things when you say "speech" - I've found that the "porn shouldn't be banned; it's unbannable speech" crowd almost never makes the "expression / speech" distinction that their ideological opposites have. That makes fruitful discussions difficult.

You know you can block those subs right? I don't like the stuff myself, but I'm not gonna tell people what they can and can't look at if it's lawful. That's retarded.

ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME I AINT THE ONLY ONE WHO THINKS THIS!

I agree, wasn't it Larry flint, a jew that owned hustler magazine, that got porn legalized under free speech because jews are better at language and can subvert anything?

"I don't like something. Therefore it isn't free speech.". How very progressive of you.

Porn isn't the problem. Having no way to meet and mingle with people to find a mate is the problem. Porn doesn't create that problem. Having no community does.

Amen. Porn is degenerate. We have enough issues without having that psychological warfare floating around.

"Things I don't like or approve of should be banned."

How very authoritarian of you. You've determined what is and isn't protected by the first amendment and decided what should be censored.

So you've studied constitutional law, or are you just going off of your feelings?

controversial topic, of course… but lets compare… while browsing voat/v/all i never encounter any porn. while browsing reddit/r/all, it takes only a few minutes till a whore stretches her snatch into my face. So first of all, i dont think voat has that problem. on the other side: degenerate whores need to be punished by abusing them on cam as hard as possible. aaaand another point of view: the naked female is the highest and purest form of beauty there is to find in this universe, let us worship them and acknowledge that these angels want to be treated like soulless fuckmeat too.

so, i would say voat should be a host for the most fucked up shit imaginable (as long as the female enjoys it) but at the same time it should be a safe space for those who want to be free of the sexual mindcontrol.

YES

It is enemy propaganda.

No people in their right mind would create and enforce laws that permit the dissemination of hostile propaganda. We control the law. The law represents our will. Our will is to restrict the distribution of harmful propaganda. The law must reflect that, changing if necessary.

Porn is a form of free speech. That doesn't mean you can't get a gun and go and kill all the girls who take part in porn.

CP is not free speech because a C can not give consent.

MindGeek

Libido Dominandi

SEX MAGICK

Fucking is NOT talking.

Could you point me in the direction of your posts decrying doxxing and the threatening of rape on children?

I just disabled the NSFW subs, if anyone is posting porn in a SFW sub they should be liable for a ban

simple as that.

Fuck you, all media falls under freedom of speech and of the press. However, these are only derived rights, the only true rights are those of person, property and the protection thereof.

Who owns voat gets to decide what media is allowed.

Porn is free speech, but I get that not all websites want it. There are places we can go for porn. It doesn't have to be everywhere.

applause

Say if a porn actress makes a video. Says its free speech. But you show that video to all her friends and family or workplaces and suddenly free speech is bad right?

This thread is going to get the kikes posting overdrive. They LOVE defending porn, almost as if they profit off it. But when you suggest porn be allowed in israel or jews love black cock they recoil in fear

Child porn should be banned, but I at least can say that it should be banned because it is bad in and of itself.

People like you hold “free speech” in higher regard than real principles so when you think that CP should be banned, you first have to get the approval of your previous free speech doctrine. You have cognitive dissonance

Yes, but is all speech to be tolerated? I say, it isn't, because speech can be harmful, esoecially if saying the opposite has become a crime. Speech that furthers the interests of our race is to be permitted, speech that subverts our race is to be censored. We, as a macro organism, have been infected by a retro virus that turns our own tissue against itself, and it proliferates through speech.

The porn issue is not whether it is speech or not, but whether it hurts us or not. It does, but so do our subverted and corrupted legal systems, our food industry, our education system and much more.

Go censor somewhere else, you faggot creeping authoritarian. Without complete freedom, the subjectivity to censor is imbued upon the authorities, and therein lies the creeping censorship that erodes your rights away and undermines the constitution.

Agreed. I'm not anti-porn mind you, but the thing is, sickos like to use "muh freeze peach" as a loophole to get their foot in the door. Why do you think "free speech" venues always, without fail, find themselves crawling with pedos? Because they use the concept of "free speech" as a way of getting their disgusting bullshit onto a website.

Again, I'm not actually anti-porn (although I am a bit sick of sex being everywhere), but there's reasons why sexual content used to be considered a taboo in public areas, and it has nothing to do with "being a prude".

Voat has porn?

Advice: your hand is not a relationship.

And it definitely doesn't belong on v/whatever.

I'm sure there's an appropriate subverse for degeneracy.

Ok boomer bible thumper

Who the fuck made you master of this forum?

Jews want you to look at porn... a lot of porn. Don't do jew-stuff

Porn destroys your brain and spirit. It is probably the most effective psychological weapon of all time. It has no place on Voat, even if it is free speech.

I completely share your aversion towards porn, but seriously: Who is going to decide what is allowed to be posted? Freedom of speech will always be bought with a shitton of exposure to subversive messages.

And for the sake of the argument:

Porn isn't saying anything, there is no message it conveys. It's not free speech.

That's not entirely true as you realize yourself:

Porn is run by kikes as a weapon

You don't seem to have trouble to read and understand the message?

Since we probably agree. it's not a literal weapon, but a message (speech!) of subversion. It's naive to assume that freedom of speech only covers written or spoken word, not film or pictures without text. Just look at collections of degenerate art, banned by the Nazis. They obviously understood the destructive message (speech!) of this shit and burned it.

It's okay if you want to ban porn or degenerate art, but it wouldn't go well with freedom of speech, because it's obviously not.

CP is illegal. Illegal actions are not covered by freedom of speech. This is why it was banned. Why would you ban it if it wasn't illegal and would be a threat to existence of voat.

So you can either abandon freedom of speech, or make porn illegal. Those are the two only options to get rid of it, true?

the motivation behind posting porn on VOAT when the subhuman shit is already all over the internet basically guarantees the poster is a kike.

Porn is 100% free speech and 100% belongs on Voat.

And this is coming from a devout no-fapper who has downvoted every smut post he's ever seen.

What's next? You want to ban videos of graphic murders, torture, rape and terrorism? You want to ban unpopular harmful opinions? There's a bunch of filthy degenerates here who just want to stroke their dick all day and they're all welcome to express whatever retarded shit they have on their mind, just like you.

Freedom of expression means you have to see or hear shit you dont like sometimes. Dont be like them, you fuckin snowflake

The statist mindset is addictive, isn't it. "Just let government solve all our problems by making 'bad' things illegal."

I'm in Montreal and a former acquaintance of mine is now employed by Mindgeek where he works as a senior software developer. For those who don't know, the company's headquarters is here, on Decarie street. He's a good, usually moral dude but couldn't refuse the opportunity to make money over fist peddling such crack to the men of the world.

You lost me as soon as you started trying to control what I can do. You're not our parent. You don't get to decide.

It needs to be kept in appropriate subs, but it's not, that's the problem.

gay porn in gay sub

interracial in interracial

loli in loli

cp in dm

etc!

"____ isn't free speech" is exactly the language SJW/commies use when they are trying to censor you. Way to go, asshole.

Porn should absolutely be free speech, grandma. What you do with your body is your fucking business. You don't like it, don't indulge in it. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I don't give a shit if you want to kill yourself smoking them. Just don't create 'unwilling participants' while you making your reckless decisions. And I don't want to hear about any abortion bullshit because a pregnant woman is a host to a second entity and the 'unwilling participant' clause should kick in at that point. Same thing where kids are concerned. They cannot be willing participants because they are tiny morons who don't and cannot know any better let alone be able to defend themselves against predators. Bring back traditional American family values and watch how the whole porn industry will start to fall apart all on its own. Your approach to the porn industry 'problem' is completely misguided.

A knife in your back or poison in your food isn't free speech for the murderer, that is the equivalent of porn.

whoa whoa whoa there. maybe you should just shut the fuck up until you're a little smarter, or get less ignorant.

you dont get to decide what free speech is kike, thats not how it works. porn is degenerate and they shouldnt be posting it here, youre right there, but thats the only part youre right about. just block the faggots if it twitsts your panties so hard. nice stawman with cp by the way, great and equal example youve got.

That which can curse, can bless. It's in the way it is used that can be a weapon against you.

In order to protect your rights you must protect the rights of people you despise.

Libel, threats, and all the like are the initiation of force - which is always morally indefensible. Wether done by the government or islam or you. It is always wrong.

I second this.

Agreed OP. The modern concept of free speech is so bastardized. Every retarded liberal will use the “cant yell fire in a crowded theater line” but when it comes to pornography that is nearly 100% jewish run and used to demoralize our people “hey guys watching a girl get sodemized is totally free speech”

Just shut the fuck up. Instead of arguing why drugged up girls should be fucked by jewish men on camera and be defended as it were a political treatise, go lift weights or do something productive

I've got no problem drawing a sharp line in the sand. Porn is not speech & we don't need to permit it in order to have a free-speech environment. It serves zero positive purpose. Zero. It doesn't even protect our promote free speech, so f*ck off with that argument.

Fuck you niggerfaggot I will post what I fucking want: https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5e04dbfb77d14

Just block subs and downvoat. I'd rather than than leaking censorship.

Disagree. It is free speech AND it is pictures of degenerate whores.

The decision not to use it for pleasure has to be voluntary.