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Crayonall9t ago

Thank you voat for telling me this when I joined earlier this year. It has changed my life.

Far2Long2 ago

I'm with you. The resources I've been directed to by Voat have sharpened my understanding of the Jewish Problem.

The more I learn about the malign depredations of the Jews, the more isolated I become. (((They))) are everywhere in our society, quietly dismantling what White Christians have built.

Blood-is-Nature ago

It wasn't white Christians, it was "white" Europeans. All three abrahamic religions are mass population control, based on hiding the laws of nature behind an unquestionable deity, and putting up new, corrupted laws to control humanity. The reason why people like E. Michael Jones, Farrakhan and Owen Benjamin can dish out against jews without getting killed for it, is because they unknowingly(!?) drive their followers back into the jewish indoctrination of religion.

And if you think atheism is the way to go than I have some really bad news for you...atheism and infidel means non-believer, which is defined by being against believer. Theses terms were created to catch everyone who didn't fell for the religious indoctrination with branding them anti-religious, which putts religion above them in a rhetorical way. It's a trap and it work marvelously to the point where where millennia later people still proudly proclaim to be atheists. The side effect that the jews couldn't possibly predict, but that changed the future for all of us, was that humans without a place to direct their natural faith at, will become hedonistic and will direct their faith in anything that self their own interest...and in comes materialism in the form of capitalism. This is why today Christianity is not needed anymore, because atheists are the most fanatic followers of capitalism that the jews could ever imagine.

CaucasianWhiteBoy ago

It absolutely was white Christians. Europe was unified by Christianity and modern science was birthed by Christians and the principles they followed that led them to discover the truth about the world around them. It is ridiculous to state otherwise. Modern science has led us so far astray from where we should be because of anti-truthers denying that there could be anything beyond the idea of Naturalism. These are the same people who deny real science in order to justify their faggotry. We are trapped in a box. The wrong presuppositions lead to the wrong ideas and the wrong ideas lead us to dead ends. We are only recently starting to think beyond Naturalism. Men like Francis Collins and William Lane Craig are leading the charge.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/voices/collins.html

Blood-is-Nature ago

denying that there could be anything beyond the idea of Naturalism

The reason why humanity is deadlocked on finding answers to all the horrors happening around us are threefold...

  1. Like I stated before, we all are operating under false laws that were given to us to control us. Science can never work if it's not based on the laws of nature, which is why science today is fully compromised by military intervention, nondisclosure agreements, political blackmail, the pharmaceutical drug slinging cartel, the funding and taxation mafia, backstabbing etc.

  2. The human misconception about our role in this ecosystem. We were given the traits to create in this world, the materials to do it with, the laws to operate under, the tool to comprehend everything (consciousness) and a compass to navigate between positive and negative outcomes (common sense). We were meant to be stewards to this ecosystem and our meaning of life is "creation in accordance to the natural laws for the benefit of all", which in return creates the best possible breeding ground for our offspring and a world full of benefits in which we can design and create the future. We only had to follow the laws of nature, instead we exploited and destroyed our ecosystem for short term benefits, while ignoring long term consequences, thereby becoming parasites to the host (ecosystem) that sustains our existence, and we have been suffering from the consequences thereof ever since.

  3. The human misconception about their identity. Humanity operates under the false belief that their consciousness defines their identity, which is the reason for every negative action we ever did. We fell for a natural temptation, namely hedonism, which gave us the illusion that whatever we can make up as excuses in our minds is enough as a justification for all the horrors we unleashed upon this ecosystem. We deliberately ignore common sense, which is tuned to the laws of nature, and instead endlessly making up excuses for our actions. We are in denial what we did, what we do, what the consequences will be, instead we desperately try to make up more excuses (spirituality) so that we don't have to face reality.

So what is our consciousness if not our identity? A mere tool. It's a sophisticated apparatus for comprehending the world around us and it operates with blood. If you take the blood out of the brain, it dies and with it our consciousness. Meanwhile our blood has no problem surviving without our brains. Whatever is in our blood (they call it genetics these days) is the carrier of our identity, and it is the blood that is the only thing we can pass on to our offspring, not any of the knowledge we accumulated in our brain.

CaucasianWhiteBoy ago

The funny thing is that I agree with most of what you said but I disagree that the physical reality that we perceive is all there is. If we are only material then we should have far more control of our bodies but we don’t. We are barely aware of the functions of our body. I think it is obvious that we are simply drivers in these physical bodies. Think of the movie Avatar by James Cameron. We are more than our blood. Our conscious is an energy source that continues to exist even when our bodies deteriorate.

What you said about us being “parasites” is another reason I think we are something beyond this natural world. We are an anomaly. We have the ability to defy natural laws when nothing else can. There’s something else going on here.

Blood-is-Nature ago

We are barely aware of the functions of our body

The same thing as with nature. We haven't even began to comprehend the secrets nature has in store for us, but we are already way deep into our own destruction to ever find the right path again. But none of these secrets have any indication of an alternative reality. That's all in our mind and very likely the result of making up excuses to play down our fear of death. We know that life is a circle and that we dissolve into our core components, which will end up as parts of other life, which completely deconstructs the afterlife lie, yet humans force their spirituality nonsense forward with nothing other than belief.

we are simply drivers in these physical bodies

That's the hedonism I was talking about. In your mind you just proclaimed superiority over your body, with no evidence in nature backing you up. It's a lie until proven otherwise. But if you use my explanation of the consciousness being a tool and comparing it with nature you will find evidence that animals use senses, have instincts, use pattern recognition, show intelligence etc. All as tools to help them fulfill their jobs, which is "creation in accordance with the natural laws" which benefits all. Every species follows the laws of nature by instinct, only humans can't seem to come up with the basic meaning of their life, simply because the fell for hedonism and can't stop wanting more out of everything, while defiling the laws of nature.

We are an anomaly

If anything we were a test that is failing since the beginning. So far no other species was given a consciousness capable to comprehend everything on this world. The laws of nature are designed around natural opposites, which makes the balance in between the moral code to uphold, so for us to fall for temptation as such an early stage must be result of chance fucking us over hard. Chance btw is the most ingenious system to keep the laws of nature in check, because even within perfectly designed laws there is still always the possibility for chance to make anything happen. I would also argue that chance is responsible for this world to have humor, because it's such a ludicrous concept to have inside the boundaries of laws. Anyway, that's another topic.

Our conscious is an energy source that continues to exist even when our bodies deteriorate

Where is the evidence for this? Everything on this earth is based on a positive and a negative energy source (by logic), so how would one determine the one of the consciousness?

We have the ability to defy natural laws when nothing else can.

That's incorrect. Every life form can fall for temptations or deliberately create chaos, which will destabilize the natural order. The difference is that we can comprehend the ramifications of that, because we have sophisticated tool that nobody else has. Our consciousness.

CaucasianWhiteBoy ago

That's the hedonism I was talking about. In your mind you just proclaimed superiority over your body, with no evidence in nature backing you up. It's a lie until proven otherwise.

Hedonism without a moral guide leads to all kinds of self-indulgence which leads to misery and chaos. I think we could both agree on that point. I believe in something called Christian Hedonism. This article explains it well: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/christian-hedonism

 

If anything we were a test that is failing since the beginning.

A test created by whom?

 

Chance btw is the most ingenious system to keep the laws of nature in check, because even within perfectly designed laws there is still always the possibility for chance to make anything happen.

Chance is a system? How can luck be systematic? There is no order a.k.a. "system" with luck/chance. Common sense should tell you this is a design if chance was involved at all. Design must come from a designer. That being said, I don't know how any serious minded person could think that the natural laws, which are finely tuned, could be a product of chaos.

 

Where is the evidence for this?

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/03/08/10-scientific-studies-that-prove-consciousness-can-alter-our-physical-material-world/ I may have misspoke here but regardless if you deem consciousness to be energy or not, it definitely seems to be abstracted from physical reality. I would personally say it this way, our consciousness (in Christian terms our spirit) is the bridge between our physical reality and the metaphysical reality (spiritual reality).

 

The difference is that we can comprehend the ramifications of that, because we have a sophisticated tool that nobody else has. Our consciousness.

That's exactly what I'm saying. We are not like animals who do only what their instincts dictate. We can defy our own instincts and create whatever we want. Look up a man named David Goggins. His story alone tells me we are more than our physical bodies. We have the ability to push ourselves beyond what our physical bodies tell us we are capable of.

Blood-is-Nature ago

Hedonism without a moral guide leads to all kinds of self-indulgence which leads to misery and chaos

Morality is dictated by natural laws, and hedonism is a consequence of not following these laws, so hedonism without a moral guide is impossible. Hedonism is to deliberately ignore morality.

I believe in something called Christian Hedonism

By putting the Christian label on it you already divided everyone into two groups, believer and unbeliever, and with the Christian term on top of hedonism you also judge others from an elevated position. That is hedonism. Instead of trying to specify the term "hedonism" to your views, you must seek out the foundation of what it really means, and for that you must find it in nature...Serving one's own interests, especially without concern for the needs or interests of others. That's hedonism, that's against the laws of nature, that will have negative consequences.

A test created by whom?

By "the sum of all things", which stands for creation itself. Inside this ecosystem every part is needed the sustain the whole, and if you destroy a part the rest has to adapt to it. This is easier to understand if you take your own body as an ecosystem and if you chop some fingers off, it will have negative consequences for the rest of your body. On a larger scale creation cannot happen without "the sum of all thing" working together. For example if male and female want to procreate it's not just them that are involved in the creation. It's the seed and the eggs, the food in their bellies, the molecules in the air that they breath, the land they are standing on, the civilization that protects them, the animals that feed them, the water that keeps the landmasses in place etc. Everything inside is needed for any kind of creation. You cannot create out of nothing, because nothing doesn't exist.

Now let me explain to you how laws were created without a creator. The most fundamental natural law is the one that defines existence..."to be or not to be". Understanding this gives existence two barriers in between which existence is happening. A beginning and an end. This is a fundamental law for everything that exists, these are the barriers everything operates under. Now if we apply this law to humanity we get birth and death as barriers. Now death is a negative outcome and staying alive a positive one...that's the foundation of morality, that's what our common sense is tuned into. We also know that death is always approaching and life always running out, which in combination with morality means that life demands struggle to survive, the death is the easy way out filled with temptations, and that the natural order is to keep the balance in between those two natural opposites in check. Another natural example for laws being created without a creator...imagine a drought and all the remaining lifeforms are gathering around the last water source. Predator and prey will face each other and create, without any plan or comprehension about it, a new, temporary set of moral rules to sustain their survival. They will not attack each other despite being natural enemies. And just like that "the sum of all things" created a new law.

How can chance be systematic?

The natural laws dictate that "opposites must coexist" as in there cannot be chaos without order, no positivity without negativity, no up without down etc. Every state is defined by it's opposite. Now the laws of nature are a flawless system of order, which is by it's own laws impossible, because you can't have order without chaos, therefore "chance" represents the chaos to balance out the laws of nature. It's a deliberate flaw in a perfect system to make sure it's unbiased. The reason why perfect harmony can never be achieved is because time exists, and that means everything must always move forward. You can never keep the balance with time running against you. Sounds cruel, but viewing it as a test of survival and it all makes sense. Nature demands survival.

physical reality

There is nothing non physical. Everything your consciousness makes up comes from information received in the "physical" world, furthermore your consciousness is sustain by your physical body, brain, and blood. "the sum of all things" is needed for creation, you cannot come up with anything that isn't influenced by the "physical". That would be creation out of nothing. Nothing cannot exist. Your article also starts of with misquoting Tesla by calling energy, frequency and vibration a non physical phenomenon. That has nothing to do with spirituality. Like, vibration is a consequence of a physical action. The article also constantly talks about the universe, which means nothing to us inside this ecosystem. We only know about the universe by visuals, the rest is speculation, hearsay and deliberate lies. That's not a truth, it's a lie until proven otherwise. This is not spirituality, it's nothing but assumptions and hopes, based on our lack of knowledge about it. We both don't know anyone who ever left this ecosystem, so the universe offers no truth we can work with today, just visual confirmation about what we know about this ecosystem. You cannot trust visuals alone. We learned that the hard way with entertainment.

We can defy our own instincts and create whatever we want.

Nope. Not without following the laws of nature. The consciousness only gives us the means to comprehend the consequences of our actions, which puts us into the position of stewards to this ecosystem, not rulers. We are still "slaves" of the laws of nature and nothing will change that. Going against these laws will always bring death.

Creggieb ago

To me, faith means belief in a thing, regardless of evidence to a contrary. It means that even when every single human sense says that a thing is unlikely to be true, faith says that it is true, and a "good" human will behave as if the thing is true, cuz faith.

In that context, I believe faith is a bad thing.

To me, faith can be a good thing, but comes with a demand for verification to continue believing.

Organized religion regularly and to actually fails to verify that the faith is justified, while regularly providing circumstantial evidence that the belief is either incomplete understandings, or blatant falsehoods.

Blood-is-Nature ago

Truth has to be ultimate and provable, otherwise it's a lie until proven otherwise. The only fundamental truth on this earth that can be proven to everyone are the laws of nature. Faith/belief is a natural trait, BUT in nature belief is always temporary, followed automatically by curiosity, which will lead to knowledge. Nature demands adaptation to survive, and knowledge is how we adapt, for which nature shows us all it's wonders so that we can learn from it. Unquestionable belief is a death sentence in nature because you would stop adapting to a world full of predators, and then you die. A great example is lightning...the first time a human or an animal experiences a storm it will believe the world is going down. This is based on survival instincts using fear to protect us. Now what happens next is curiosity about what the fuck is up with the noise and the lightning, which leads to the realization that the thunder doesn't bring harm, and eventually to the fatal knowledge that the lightning does. Another good example is a mirage. Same principle....faith, curiosity, knowledge.

Now by creating the concept of a deity, attributing all of natures achievements to it, and demanding unquestionable belief from the followers you generate a roadblock that prevents the natural path for knowledge. In natural terms, a predator used deception to lower your survival odds. This was followed by forcing upon humanity a new set of rules "the laws of men", who are all against the laws of nature, and thereby self destructive to anyone who doesn't know about the original laws.

Damnpasswords ago

What about your former belief in the holocaust? Doesn't that prove that secular beliefs are just as fallible?

Creggieb ago

Yes. all beliefs are fallible. That is why beliefs should be challenged, and critical thinking skills used to evaluate the likeliness that the belief accurately describes the observable world.

Regarding the holocaust, my position has, and always has been that Hitler definitely had it in for a lotta different groups. Jews were part of this. 6 million sounds way too high.

My family is Ukrainian, and even with the socially accepted number of six million, my victim status as coming from a group surviving the holodomor is at least ten times higher that of the Jewish.

And I get NO VICTIM STATUS AT ALL(Not that I need any because I am a capable person) so I reject the idea that I should care at all about a "tragedy" that is a pittance in comparison.

EatingChildABUSE ago

What are these laws of nature u speak of

Blood-is-Nature ago

The rules that govern everything that exist, the barriers of existence itself, the moral construct we must operate under. These rules were not created by a creator but by "the sum of all things"

bruddah ago

The 7 Natural Laws: The Kybalion

1) The Law of Mentalism: The first of the seven Universal Laws tells us that "The All is Mind - The Universe is Mental".

2) The Law of Correspondence (Immutable): The second of the seven Universal Laws tells us "As above, so below; as below, so above"

3) The Law of Vibration: The third of the seven Universal Laws tells us that "Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates"

4) The Law of Polarity: The fourth of the seven Universal Laws tells us that "Everything is dual, everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree"

5) The Law of Rhythm: The fifth of the seven Universal Laws tells us that "Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates."

6) The Law of Cause and Effect: The sixth of the seven Universal Laws tells us that "Every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause."

7) The Law of Gender: The last of the seven Universal Laws tells us that "Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles". This mutable Universal Law is evident throughout creation in the so-called opposite sexes found not only in human beings but also in plants, minerals, electrons and magnetic poles to name but a few

Bool2k ago

Where did you get these from?

Also, what's the opposite of a neutron in regards to the "law of polarity"?

twistedmac11 ago

@bruddah got these principles from The Kybalion, a book about Hermeticism https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/kyb04.htm

In regards to your question about neutrons, I think the answer you're looking for is antineutrons, one type of antiparticle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiparticle