They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
just add a system so users can remove subverse mods themselves without you needing to step in. Make it based on the users subverse CCP and SCP so other users can't abuse it. The site is based on voting and democracy so we should have a democratic system by which to depose power mods. Rather than siding with either give the users more agency and power themselves so the mods can't abuse the power they already have relative to them.
I look forward to it, I think a site like this should belong to it's users and the mods should just work for them. I'd like to see the site be structured in this way. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll leave mod behavior alone on subverses I don't use as long as I know the users of the sub can manage the mods themselves. there is the worry of people abusing such a system with alt accounts or collaborators but that's a bridge that can be crossed later
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dtaraasdfasdf ago
why dont you just wait until the pv goon squad doesnt like what they do, then lie about them, then downvoat brigade them to nothing?
That the protectvoat way @puttitout
oiseaulibre ago
They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
PuttItOut ago
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
just add a system so users can remove subverse mods themselves without you needing to step in. Make it based on the users subverse CCP and SCP so other users can't abuse it. The site is based on voting and democracy so we should have a democratic system by which to depose power mods. Rather than siding with either give the users more agency and power themselves so the mods can't abuse the power they already have relative to them.
PuttItOut ago
We will have this soon.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
I look forward to it, I think a site like this should belong to it's users and the mods should just work for them. I'd like to see the site be structured in this way. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll leave mod behavior alone on subverses I don't use as long as I know the users of the sub can manage the mods themselves. there is the worry of people abusing such a system with alt accounts or collaborators but that's a bridge that can be crossed later
PuttItOut ago
I designed the feature with abuse as a constant. It should work fairly well. :)
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. ;)
PuttItOut ago
Always