They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
My problem with this is that it seems completely unnecessary. The guy had an account for five months with no problems and used it regularly. He didn't even care about being a mod of the place, and wanted to give it to the old mod from Reddit if he wanted it. He said the reason he deleted the posts was because he didn't want people to be turned away or confused if most of the posts on the sub didn't have anything to do with Minecraft. Yeah it was misguided, but he was doing what he thought was best for the sub even if it was wrong.
And then it just snowballs out of control and people were immediately insulting him and mass downvoating him and the subverse.
It was good in the case of the animemes thing, but in this case it's just a mostly normal dude who made a dumb mistake.
Isn't it how the mistake is handled? Handling a mistake correctly involves humility and wisdom. Most don't have this and react by doubling down out of pride. It is a sign of a small and hurt person.
In the Voat sense, they become an enemy of the people (aka the mob) and it just gets worse from this point.
If only people with humility and wisdom could use Voat, we would have a grand total of about 12 users. Probably more but you get the idea. I'm not a prideful person, but there are plenty of days where I might have responded poorly like him.
if you act poorly, respond to criticism poorly, and respond to the reaction to your overall behavior poorly, ad infinitum bad decisions stack, maybe it's reflective of the kind of person and more pertinently the kind of mod you are, rather that the day you're having
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dtaraasdfasdf ago
why dont you just wait until the pv goon squad doesnt like what they do, then lie about them, then downvoat brigade them to nothing?
That the protectvoat way @puttitout
oiseaulibre ago
They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
PuttItOut ago
This is an issue, it is an exploit in our system. I've never once denied this.
Sub owners should run their subs how they want. But then Voat users should vote how they want. See the problem? Which group are you going to target?
How I see it: 90%+ of these cases involve someone conducting themselves in a fashion incompatible with Voat's principles, or they are hostile and prideful in their conduct/communication. Both scenarios indicate an unwise person.
It would be ideal if Voat lived and let live, but that will never happen because Voat is filled with people that test and abuse in order to claim a trespass. Voat is right in the end though... Those with incompatible principles never assimilate. In this way I'm proud, but I do wish Voat was more measured in their response rather than going nuclear immediately. This drastic attack based response is a sign of immaturity on the part of Voat and actually works against Voat in the end. I wish Voat was wise enough to see this perspective.
Pretty sure @stonetoss took off because of a similar situation.
CameraCode ago
My problem with this is that it seems completely unnecessary. The guy had an account for five months with no problems and used it regularly. He didn't even care about being a mod of the place, and wanted to give it to the old mod from Reddit if he wanted it. He said the reason he deleted the posts was because he didn't want people to be turned away or confused if most of the posts on the sub didn't have anything to do with Minecraft. Yeah it was misguided, but he was doing what he thought was best for the sub even if it was wrong.
And then it just snowballs out of control and people were immediately insulting him and mass downvoating him and the subverse.
It was good in the case of the animemes thing, but in this case it's just a mostly normal dude who made a dumb mistake.
PuttItOut ago
Isn't it how the mistake is handled? Handling a mistake correctly involves humility and wisdom. Most don't have this and react by doubling down out of pride. It is a sign of a small and hurt person.
In the Voat sense, they become an enemy of the people (aka the mob) and it just gets worse from this point.
CameraCode ago
If only people with humility and wisdom could use Voat, we would have a grand total of about 12 users. Probably more but you get the idea. I'm not a prideful person, but there are plenty of days where I might have responded poorly like him.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
if you act poorly, respond to criticism poorly, and respond to the reaction to your overall behavior poorly, ad infinitum bad decisions stack, maybe it's reflective of the kind of person and more pertinently the kind of mod you are, rather that the day you're having