They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
We really should have a little critical thought on this. At this point people are just downvoating him just to downvoat him, I doubt they even read all the posts and understand what is going on.
but @Mumbleberry didn't ever actually call for any downvoating, he just posted the modlog and called attention to this guys behavior. Unless you have evidence of incitement people are responsible for only their own behavior and it's not really a "brigade" if it's individual users acting and making descisions each on their own.
I didn't say Mumbleberry called for downvoating or brigading, I said
At this point people are just downvoating him just to downvoat him
which I think is definitely true. I did say "brigading" in another comment. I don't think every person who was downvoating Coors or the subverse read through all the ban logs and enough of his comments to make a proper opinion on it, they just see the PV posts and downvoat all of his stuff. Yeah, you guys can't control the actions of every user, but you're also very aware of what happens. And there are multiple posts on the matter, not just one.
I got three downvoats on this comment for no reason. https://voat.co/v/MillionDollarCraft/3126969/17706110
Certainly that's proof enough that people are spamming downvoats without actually knowing why or having a reason. I don't think they downvoated me because they dislike v/thegreatoutdoors.
That's pretty much what brigading is, using your sub and making posts to target a user an his subverse. I don't think he should be banned or anything, I'm just calling it like it is.
people are just downvoating him just to downvoat him
but if everyone is deciding to do so on their own what's wrong with it, they have a right to voat on content. With no intentional or coordinated effort I don't see a problem.
I didn't say Mumbleberry called for downvoating or brigading
That's pretty much what brigading is, using your sub and making posts to target a user an his subverse.
really making use of both side of your mouth here. But the behavior you're looking at appears emergent rather then conspiratorial (in the sense of people working together to do something) uncoordinated individual actions do not a brigade make, you're calling it how you want to see it and not like it is at least in so far as what you can demonstrate.
Yeah, you guys can't control the actions of every user, but you're also very aware of what happens.
what happens is people make their own decisions and act independently which is only their own individual responsibility not anyone else's.
Maybe you guys could have explained what he was doing wrong instead of just mass downvoating him and sending him petty insults. I get it, you want to crush any censorship, but the guy mostly believes what "we" do and he did say he hasn't been a mod before. It's not like he was trying to subvert voat and make an upvoating farm or anything. I think if we had a rational discussion with him and explained why deleting posts is overall more harmful even if those posts have nothing to do with his subverse, this whole situation could have been avoided and we could have had a cool place for people who like Minecraft. I don't even play it.
That seems more like a threat than a rational explaination. You could have said something like "you're better off not deleting stuff because upholding the principle of non-censorship is more important than having off-topic posts." Yeah, you didn't have to, but a little calm and kindness goes a long way.
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dtaraasdfasdf ago
why dont you just wait until the pv goon squad doesnt like what they do, then lie about them, then downvoat brigade them to nothing?
That the protectvoat way @puttitout
oiseaulibre ago
They literally downvoated @Coors_Nationalist to the point where he can't vote, post, or comment. Who is the real censor? The guy who has a sub for a specific Minecraft server and doesn't want his sub filled with off topic garbage? Or the people who take away his ability to use the website? @PuttItOut, this is a problem I've touched on over the years. If someone isn't a spammer but just isn't liked or has "the wrong opinions" they are prevented from using the site.
Possible solution: an appeal process where someone downvoated to oblivion can have their site privileges returned to them.
CameraCode ago
We really should have a little critical thought on this. At this point people are just downvoating him just to downvoat him, I doubt they even read all the posts and understand what is going on.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
but @Mumbleberry didn't ever actually call for any downvoating, he just posted the modlog and called attention to this guys behavior. Unless you have evidence of incitement people are responsible for only their own behavior and it's not really a "brigade" if it's individual users acting and making descisions each on their own.
CameraCode ago
I didn't say Mumbleberry called for downvoating or brigading, I said
which I think is definitely true. I did say "brigading" in another comment. I don't think every person who was downvoating Coors or the subverse read through all the ban logs and enough of his comments to make a proper opinion on it, they just see the PV posts and downvoat all of his stuff. Yeah, you guys can't control the actions of every user, but you're also very aware of what happens. And there are multiple posts on the matter, not just one.
I got three downvoats on this comment for no reason. https://voat.co/v/MillionDollarCraft/3126969/17706110 Certainly that's proof enough that people are spamming downvoats without actually knowing why or having a reason. I don't think they downvoated me because they dislike v/thegreatoutdoors.
That's pretty much what brigading is, using your sub and making posts to target a user an his subverse. I don't think he should be banned or anything, I'm just calling it like it is.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
but if everyone is deciding to do so on their own what's wrong with it, they have a right to voat on content. With no intentional or coordinated effort I don't see a problem.
really making use of both side of your mouth here. But the behavior you're looking at appears emergent rather then conspiratorial (in the sense of people working together to do something) uncoordinated individual actions do not a brigade make, you're calling it how you want to see it and not like it is at least in so far as what you can demonstrate.
what happens is people make their own decisions and act independently which is only their own individual responsibility not anyone else's.
Mumbleberry ago
He could have stopped it with a mea culpa and un-bannings. But decided to dig his hole deeper instead.
Inaminit ago
I have to back up @Mumbleberry on this. I downvoated because I was banned and deleted for nothing more than chiming in about free speech.
CameraCode ago
Maybe you guys could have explained what he was doing wrong instead of just mass downvoating him and sending him petty insults. I get it, you want to crush any censorship, but the guy mostly believes what "we" do and he did say he hasn't been a mod before. It's not like he was trying to subvert voat and make an upvoating farm or anything. I think if we had a rational discussion with him and explained why deleting posts is overall more harmful even if those posts have nothing to do with his subverse, this whole situation could have been avoided and we could have had a cool place for people who like Minecraft. I don't even play it.
Mumbleberry ago
Besides, he should have known; https://voat.co/v/MillionDollarCraft/3128102
CameraCode ago
That seems more like a threat than a rational explaination. You could have said something like "you're better off not deleting stuff because upholding the principle of non-censorship is more important than having off-topic posts." Yeah, you didn't have to, but a little calm and kindness goes a long way.
Rainy-Day-Dream ago
Mumbleberry ago
I tried that before making the PV post.