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obvious-throwaway- ago

I'll give it a go and see what happens, https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2650348

Hand_of_Node ago

3.8 billion a year for absolutely nothing

Logically, it can't be "for absolutely nothing." Whether we're getting adequate value in return is a different issue.

The current projected spending for fiscal year 2017 is $4 trillion. The Obama administration had planned for $41.9 billion in foreign aid for this year.

U.S. Gives Financial Aid to 96% of All Countries - Forbes

The bigger question is, why are we giving away that much money when we're going into debt to do so? The even bigger question is whether that's even "real" money, and are we ever going to repay it?

obvious-throwaway- ago

Whether we're getting adequate value in return is a different issue

We get absolutely nothing in return. The clearly documented gimmick is that we give them a bunch of money and they have the option to use that money to buy military weapons from us. It's like you giving me enough money to buy your house from you, who comes out ahead in that situation. Oh, and I never have to repay.

Hand_of_Node ago

Okay, to continue playing Satans minions advocate...

Search: what do we get from israel in return for our money

The deal also directs more money back toward the United States. It eliminates a provision in the previous aid agreement that allowed Israel to spend 26 percent of its Foreign Military Financing on weaponry and other resources produced within Israel, rather than in the United States—a provision intended to help Israel build its own defense industry. Now that Israel’s defense industry has developed, Dalton said, that money will go toward purchases benefitting the defense industry in the United States.

If nothing else, maybe half of the money comes back to our defense companies. Just guessing on the "half", as I'm unfamiliar with costs and pricing of military hardware. But that is more than absolutely nothing.

There are probable a number of other points that could be debated, but that 3.8 billion to israel appears to be less than 10% of the money we throw out the window every year. Even the moslems get big checks. What would happen if we just cut everybody off and started dealing with our own problems?

obvious-throwaway- ago

Let's be clare, when you say "we" get some of the money back, what that means is that Jewish owned military companies in the United States get this money. In short, money is extracted from taxpayers in the United States under penalty of prison, that money is then given to Israel and Israel gives that money back to other Israelis in the United States to fund their companies in sweet heart deals.

Hand_of_Node ago

I'm not familiar with the ownership structures of US military supply companies, but I wouldn't be hugely surprised. However, in my continuing effort to support my argument that it's logically not absolutely nothing, those companies probably employ locals and pay them wages. In which case, it now becomes "not enough" instead of "absolutely nothing".

Yes, the free gibs to israel are a problem, and so is the other 90+% of the money we give away. I know some of it probably influences them to make conditions more favorable to... Our jewish companies? Our businesses who engage in international trade? Our Corporate farmers raping the land to supply the rest of the world? Even so, we give money to tons of countries who literally hate us. Even if we cut off the money to just israel, the massive give-away would still be a huge problem.

As far as taxes go, how one would maintain a country on donations?

Anyway, the jewish problem that dwarfs Israel is the jews here in the US. Israel could be vaporized, and they'd still be here. The free money to Israel is just a small symptom of that larger problem.