If we ignore them, they over run us and can control the narrative. It is that simple. Their goal is to blendin and normalize their rhetoric. Simply pointing them out puts a huge dent in their effectiveness.
I think the users who are upset and want real answers, like you and myself, have an entirely different tone than the people here to stir the pot. I also was annoyed by all the shill talk, since there are legitimate concerns, not just trolls. However, there is clearly some group using this to their advantage to drive a wedge between us all.
Dissent is more than okay. So long as we can all talk about it. I recognize you, and many others in this conversation. I've never seen OP before. Anecdotal, but there is a concerted push to blackpill people right now.
Your valid concerns are useful in creating negativity and roping you in to their rhetoric. They need established users to start repeating their message to give it creditability.
You probably have anon post blocked, but always look out for one voater being singled out in pings. They generally focus on one or two users at a time using the top commenters list as a guide.
Nothing wrong with being upset. There are valid reasons to be, but you have to recognize when your valid concern is being manipulated by those that desire escalation. They craft themes with intent.
Notice how creating backups and forks of voat isn't enough for a certain crowd. They are specifically attacking user relationship with admin.
I went through a half a year period where a sub I co-own was relentlessly attacked with every form of subversion; anon post, personal attacks, making false accusations, ping abuse, stalking, trying to bait outside media into attacking us and including posting CP. I have been threatened through PMs with attempts to unmask and dox me. I have learned exactly how (((they))) operate the hard way. Do not give them benefit of the doubt of just being normal idiots. They will use it against you.
Where's my blood money check squish? Haven't been paid in years and I'm kind of worried. I mean sacrificing those babies to sorros really made me uncomfortable but when they said I'd get paid a dollar per post and a shiny nickle for each comment then what is dignity and self respect?
It's a common shill tactic to "just ask questions". It's a form of concern trolling that leaves plausible deniability to those that aren't aware, or haven't seen it enough to recognize it.
Asking questions is not always an innocent thing, and when it's bumping a blackpill narrative, it's healthy to be skeptical.
I've been wrong, but I admit when I am. Take a look at the difference between how the users reacted to being called out.
People change and especially the ones who don't live on voat. I see mumbleberry pointing out a group of paid indian shills and pv doing jack all about it but this guys getting called a shill for wanting answers.
PV is a place to highlight bullshit. Each goat gets to view the arguments and respond as he so chooses. What I see there is some niche sub, by virtue of the fact that nobody really uses the word "automobile" anymore, that wants to act like numerous other niche subs.
The problem is quarantined to that user's subverse(s), and without Putt, there's really nothing we can do but shame bad mods.
What I do - what I've always done - is find patterns or inconsistencies or evidence that a user might be lying/subverting/acting in bad faith. If you don't agree, that's fine, but I'm not going to stop.
If you were paying attention, only people that don't belong here, or SaneGoat et al., but I repeat myself, ping Putt. The rest of us know better.
This narrative has been pushed multiple times daily now, and I find it hard to believe this many "lurkers" haven't seen it.
Since OP changed his posting style recently, and managed to accuse many here of being "SRS", it's really not that much of a stretch to find him suspicious of being a certain other kind of "user" here that pings Putt and calls people they don't like SRS.
Imagine having his username stats and feeling entitled enough to an answer from Putt that you ping him.
Sbbh spent an entire day making posts pinging putt and in the comments like three days ago. I don't know this user or see them around but I think it's fairnto be suspicious at this point. Sure it's rude as fuck to ping putt given all the shit he gets.
Sbbh spent an entire day making posts pinging putt and in the comments like three days ago.
Let me clarify:
Putt doesn't check his pings. He stopped because of SaneGoat pinging him 100s-1000s of times per day. If they're circle-jerking about it, they're not feeling entitled to a response from the solo owner of this website that has a full time job and a life outside of Voat.
This user was very clearly expecting a response.
I don't know this user or see them around but I think it's fairnto be suspicious at this point.
I comment when I find things that aren't quite right.
Sure it's rude as fuck to ping putt given all the shit he gets.
It is. I find it to be an egregious faux pas to do so and expect a response. Especially to a user with such low contribution/time stats. Dude is not important.
Not saying that's a requisite thing, but the entitlement suggests something is not quite right.
It does seem like a psyop against Voat, and with a sleeper account pinging putt, then calling me SRS, it really isn't too much of a stretch to figure out who is behind it.
not necessarily. but plenty of us consider it kind of suspicious, and it is. i personally tend to reserve judgement until flagrant shillery occurs, but i can see where the logic comes from.
it definitely doesnt take every minute of the day to not seem suspicious, though.
there is a real conspiracy (inasmuch as the usual shills that took over basically everywhere else on the internet are also operating here) goin on around here ya know! if ya wanna be suspicious, then people are gonna suspect you of stuff!
Le_Squish ago
If we ignore them, they over run us and can control the narrative. It is that simple. Their goal is to blendin and normalize their rhetoric. Simply pointing them out puts a huge dent in their effectiveness.
Le_Squish ago
Ignoring them is a luxury we don't have at this time.
MinorLeakage ago
I think the users who are upset and want real answers, like you and myself, have an entirely different tone than the people here to stir the pot. I also was annoyed by all the shill talk, since there are legitimate concerns, not just trolls. However, there is clearly some group using this to their advantage to drive a wedge between us all.
MinorLeakage ago
Dissent is more than okay. So long as we can all talk about it. I recognize you, and many others in this conversation. I've never seen OP before. Anecdotal, but there is a concerted push to blackpill people right now.
Le_Squish ago
Your valid concerns are useful in creating negativity and roping you in to their rhetoric. They need established users to start repeating their message to give it creditability.
You probably have anon post blocked, but always look out for one voater being singled out in pings. They generally focus on one or two users at a time using the top commenters list as a guide.
Le_Squish ago
Nothing wrong with being upset. There are valid reasons to be, but you have to recognize when your valid concern is being manipulated by those that desire escalation. They craft themes with intent.
Notice how creating backups and forks of voat isn't enough for a certain crowd. They are specifically attacking user relationship with admin.
Le_Squish ago
I went through a half a year period where a sub I co-own was relentlessly attacked with every form of subversion; anon post, personal attacks, making false accusations, ping abuse, stalking, trying to bait outside media into attacking us and including posting CP. I have been threatened through PMs with attempts to unmask and dox me. I have learned exactly how (((they))) operate the hard way. Do not give them benefit of the doubt of just being normal idiots. They will use it against you.
Venturer ago
ITT: SRS doing damage control
crazy_eyes ago
Concern trolls are concerned
Le_Squish ago
If you look through OP's comment history, you can notice a sudden change in the comments style and topics of discussion.
Current OP probably purchased this account and make a bullshit introduction 1 month ago to hide the change.
Venturer ago
Ehh just getting back onto the site after taking a break after having a job that worked me 14 hours a day.
Also started to notice these SRS shills, calling out their bullshit, and triggering them.
Le_Squish ago
But you said long break was because you went to Reddit not because you were too busy to voat.
http://archive.fo/s4vg6
Venturer ago
Guess good deals on firearms and accessories makes me a shill
Le_Squish ago
You probably forgot you posted that intro, huh? Do you remember the other things the accounts original owner used to like?
Le_Squish ago
This isn't a normal user showing dissent. It's an alt of the usual financed trouble makers.
People who are paid to post and harass are not individuals with rights and opinions to be respected.
I_Would_Gas_You ago
Where's my blood money check squish? Haven't been paid in years and I'm kind of worried. I mean sacrificing those babies to sorros really made me uncomfortable but when they said I'd get paid a dollar per post and a shiny nickle for each comment then what is dignity and self respect?
Le_Squish ago
Oh look who wants attention?
I_Would_Gas_You ago
You responded so thanks. Thats 5 cent charge. Your tabs like 2 bucks.
Le_Squish ago
There aren't any threads I need to waste your time and keep you out of right now so you are free to go.
I_Would_Gas_You ago
Okay. Ping me when I can make money
ruck_feddit ago
So an old goat with low fake internet points is probably an alt-shill account? I guess I'm just a computer program.
Crensch ago
There's more to it.
xenoPsychologist ago
id consider it a red flag. not something to jump to conclusions about, but when they start acting shilly dont be too surprised.
Le_Squish ago
I don't have problems with filthy lurkers. Keep doing you.
Venturer ago
Nice gaslighting you got there
Le_Squish ago
Shills found the password to one of their forgotten alts?
You should go back to complaining about subverse transfers and defending israel.
Venturer ago
SBBH on the scene, clear the roads folks.
Venturer ago
@PuttItOut ?
Crensch ago
"User" with 2.8 years and ~700scp and ccp pings Putt.
You are insignificant, and have zero reason to be pinging the owner of this website.
And also probably part of the shill blackpill brigade.
I_Would_Gas_You ago
He's not allowed to ask questions? You need to be a power user to want answers? Come on man are you a sjw now?
Crensch ago
It's a common shill tactic to "just ask questions". It's a form of concern trolling that leaves plausible deniability to those that aren't aware, or haven't seen it enough to recognize it.
Asking questions is not always an innocent thing, and when it's bumping a blackpill narrative, it's healthy to be skeptical.
I've been wrong, but I admit when I am. Take a look at the difference between how the users reacted to being called out.
Enjoy the read.
I_Would_Gas_You ago
People change and especially the ones who don't live on voat. I see mumbleberry pointing out a group of paid indian shills and pv doing jack all about it but this guys getting called a shill for wanting answers.
NoBS ago
People can be manufactured even easier.
Putt is dead and his owners are OK with that.
Crensch ago
PV is a place to highlight bullshit. Each goat gets to view the arguments and respond as he so chooses. What I see there is some niche sub, by virtue of the fact that nobody really uses the word "automobile" anymore, that wants to act like numerous other niche subs.
The problem is quarantined to that user's subverse(s), and without Putt, there's really nothing we can do but shame bad mods.
What I do - what I've always done - is find patterns or inconsistencies or evidence that a user might be lying/subverting/acting in bad faith. If you don't agree, that's fine, but I'm not going to stop.
Crensch ago
If you were paying attention, only people that don't belong here, or SaneGoat et al., but I repeat myself, ping Putt. The rest of us know better.
This narrative has been pushed multiple times daily now, and I find it hard to believe this many "lurkers" haven't seen it.
Since OP changed his posting style recently, and managed to accuse many here of being "SRS", it's really not that much of a stretch to find him suspicious of being a certain other kind of "user" here that pings Putt and calls people they don't like SRS.
Imagine having his username stats and feeling entitled enough to an answer from Putt that you ping him.
I_Would_Gas_You ago
Sbbh spent an entire day making posts pinging putt and in the comments like three days ago. I don't know this user or see them around but I think it's fairnto be suspicious at this point. Sure it's rude as fuck to ping putt given all the shit he gets.
Crensch ago
Let me clarify:
Putt doesn't check his pings. He stopped because of SaneGoat pinging him 100s-1000s of times per day. If they're circle-jerking about it, they're not feeling entitled to a response from the solo owner of this website that has a full time job and a life outside of Voat.
This user was very clearly expecting a response.
I comment when I find things that aren't quite right.
It is. I find it to be an egregious faux pas to do so and expect a response. Especially to a user with such low contribution/time stats. Dude is not important.
Not saying that's a requisite thing, but the entitlement suggests something is not quite right.
Bob_Ross_Hair ago
I knew I’d see this very post when I read the title. Hello Crensch.
Crensch ago
It does seem like a psyop against Voat, and with a sleeper account pinging putt, then calling me SRS, it really isn't too much of a stretch to figure out who is behind it.
albatrosv15 ago
So with this logic @maxcactus should be our admin or something?
Crensch ago
False dichotomy, but nice try, Moshe.
Le_Squish ago
You'll love this comment of OPs:
Crensch ago
That and these DOWNVOTES. LOOK at the shills coming out of the woodwork like sniffling little Jews.
Le_Squish ago
It's easy to tell when you've irritated them. They can't be content to just ignore you.
Venturer ago
Nice cherry picking ya got there.
I still stand by my statement.
People are retarded and will still support Israel no matter what.
It's the duty of evidence to show that Israel is wrong. Even know we all know it. It must be proven.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Also new SRS method of the week? Claim people are SRS, to divert attention from themselves?
Le_Squish ago
Did you buy this account on blackhatworld?
Venturer ago
Wait I can sell this account? What do I get in return 3 shekels?
Venturer ago
I must of missed the memo that the users of a platform are insignificant.
MinorLeakage ago
No, he said YOU are insignificant. There is no way 10 actual Voaters upvoated your shit response. Try harder next time faggots.
Le_Squish ago
You aren't a user though...you a shill.
Venturer ago
Evidence where? Fuck of SRS
xenoPsychologist ago
the evidence would be the low contribution values of a sleeper account. while not a perfect metric, its a red flag for sure.
NoBS ago
Your red flag has requires emotional dependence. Not too bad for a psychological operational agent provocateur. Hat tip.
xenoPsychologist ago
does it? and emotional dependence of whom, on what? please explain. it would be good to learn something interesting today.
NoBS ago
Before you demand others to manufacture wisdom, try getting off your lazy ass and earning knowledge the only way possible, work for it.
xenoPsychologist ago
so nothing, gotcha. didnt think your comment had any merit.
NoBS ago
Still trying to get others to do the heavy lifting? Lazy assed punk demanding merit now. Please child, earn it and be a (wo)man for once.
xenoPsychologist ago
you made a claim. you can either provide evidence or itll be justly disregarded.
none of what you had said made sense. theres nothing that anyone but you can do about that.
Venturer ago
So contributions consistently though not every minute of the day for the last 3 years = sleeper account?
xenoPsychologist ago
not necessarily. but plenty of us consider it kind of suspicious, and it is. i personally tend to reserve judgement until flagrant shillery occurs, but i can see where the logic comes from.
it definitely doesnt take every minute of the day to not seem suspicious, though.
there is a real conspiracy (inasmuch as the usual shills that took over basically everywhere else on the internet are also operating here) goin on around here ya know! if ya wanna be suspicious, then people are gonna suspect you of stuff!