I was about to hand PV off for the sub to change direction.

I won't be staying here for the same old shit we've done for the last 3 years. Life is too short to be doing what you're doing. I said I will take the time out for you to enact the change to ProtectVoat. I'm not going to prop up ProtectVoat to be balanced and fair while you use it for a biased election crusade. If you want to keep to the old path and be unhappy let me know. If this other thing falls apart then I can hold elections as an alternative. Let me know if you're serious about this before the weekend is over.

Also @PeaceSeeker is right on this. It's too early for anything to matter.

After Putt, Atco disappeared... or what's going on here?

Lol. You autists. There is no Putt or atko. This site is owned by AOL. Those outages are just for show.

Aye, I have my battle scars!

Here:

I don't care about you, don't care about voat or its history. I don't even care about any of the guys I've grown to like all that much.

Think of me as a representative - I gatherer intel for another party and warn innocent people here of the tactics being used to divide them and pit them against each other.

Myself and the people I'm "affiliated" with have seen this same pattern unfold many times - in the beginning it's fruitful and there's not too much commotion. Most people are helpful, friendly and well articulated. The users populating such a place are insightful, intuitive and vigorously cooperative. Then, somehow, it appears to all of a sudden change. Out of nowhere, it's dramatic and divisive users who corrupt everyone else and pit them against each other run rampant, helping to separate people in to different categories and convince them they hate each other. Next thing you know it, the place gets flooded with crazier and crazier theories. It starts off with people focusing way too hard on semetic influence, the users all adopt similar quirks that all have something to do with nazis, they regularly post swastikas and thunderbolts, talk about the fourteen words, and regularly mention violence towards jews and niggers and others.

Next, other weird theories pop up - you've got flat earth/hollow earth, Illuminati stuff (which is seeming more and more of an actual issue these days), aliens, people never having died, and then even other crazy things like that. Well, it usually ends with child porn being posted and the site being shut down or taking on new owners... sort of like the atko and putt situation...

Weirdly, this same pattern seems to pop up again and again in places that get actual work done, that really unite people despite their differences, and seemingly makes actual and effective progress with certain things.

You know, it's just convenient that we're starting to see the same thing unfold on a place like this.

Let me reiterate: I don't care about you, I don't care about most, if not all of the users here, and I don't care about goats or the history of this place. What I do care about is integrity and order. Not to worry though. Don't think there aren't contingencies in places.

On the contrary, kev, maybe it's you that shouldn't speak too soon.

I don't need to blackmail you. I just need to show people how divisive and conspiratorial you act.

Like your post?

Huh? When was the last time I didn't answer to rule-breaking posts in a sub I mod?

Blackmail?

What am I, a jew?

No. Maybe a time when you suck Crensch's dick some more, post some stupid shit that makes it to the front page about some bullshit that will only divide people, or don't answer to moronic rule-breaking bullshit on the front page of a subverse you mod.

I'm done entertaining you, kev.

Cute.

There are some mistakes you can only make once.

The point I'm making is that I don't care about the internet point, I don't care about the drama, and I don't give a single fuck about what your name is or what you've said before on this site.

This site's biggest traffic pull is v/pizzagate, and the faggots like you who spout off juvenile shit when you disagree with someone, change the rules on people while breaking them yourselves, promoting dramatic bullshit at the top of the compiled list, and censor people that hurt your fee fees need to fall in line.

You dumb fucking faggots think you can pull this shit off without being called out, and you're wrong as hell.

Have your "troops" downvote brigade me like you did with sanegoat for all I fucking care, all that'll do is trigger the DMS.

Oh, by the way, kev, I'll never downvote you - just like I never downvote your best bud, @Crensch.

Why don't I downvote you? Because I know it annoys the hell out of you that I don't pout when someone's mean to me on the internet, like you clearly do.

Maybe you're right, dumbass.

I don't know the guy. He has yet to be a moderator of a prolific investigative site, only to stand out enough for me to notice and warn other people about him.

With that being said, however, I don't care about him. I have no reason to get in to the drama. What I will fucking do though kev, and this I promise you, is that I'll screencap that shit and each time you step out of line like a fucking retard, I'll point people to that one time you threatened to "start a war" over something as simple as one of your buddies not being put in administrative positions.

I know you don't see the checkmate here, and you're just going to stay engulfed in the dramatic bullshit going on between internet personalities (of all things), and entirely overlook the folly you've made.

Now we're certain you and your friends are colluding, shill or not.

Being civil now means you're an SJW?

See, this is why people that say you're a shill are just plain ignorant of what's going on.

You're not a shill, are you, kev? Nah, you're just a fucking idiot.

Do I really need to say it, kev?

For fuck's sake dude. You can't make comments like that.

How badly do you want me to screencap this?

I mean, a spade's a spade. We are toxic. We could probably benefit from being more civil to one another. That's his opinion and hell, I agree with it more or less. People are free to be as toxic as they want here, that doesn't mean we can't ask them to also be civil to one another. If they refuse, so be it. It is what it is. I don't see a problem with asking that or feeling that way. Voat would be a better place if there was a bit more civility.

I feel the same way and I know in my heart that I wouldn't ever try and enforce it. That would go against what Voat is. I think Middle Path also recognizes that -- but he's still able to, as an individual, express his concerns and explain his vision of what a better Voat might look like. That's one of the things that makes Voat great...

Your kneejerk reaction speaks volumes though.

Honestly man, why is simply asking people to be civil a bad thing. Does he not have the freedom of speech to express that belief of his? Is it really that bad of a concept in the first place? I can disagree with you while being civil. I mean right now I'm sort of worked up about all this, so I'm not being civil, but many times when we disagree I would like to think I'm still being civil about it. Middle never said he would attempt to enforce people being civil.

Watching you squirm is great.

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

Just because someone has interest in something does not mean they are seeking it out.

You're doing this on purpose Kev. It's very transparent.

Roses are Red, Violets are purple retard

I think yall all suck dick.

Give my regards. -wtfeva

You've done the same as long as I've known you.

I personally think he spoke a painful truth.

And you have been appointed as the final arbiter of who can and cannot use Voat when exactly?

Nope, I just like the game.

putt did 9/11

Ok, great. Let the games begin!

We've played this game before, but I can be blatant about it.

I do not hate Christian Conservatives.

So much fighting here... Whoever takes the position as Putt's backup man must be fucking "insane"... And that person will constantly be shitted from many sides...

You were gone so long

I was starting to worry

What happened that day?

This whole conversation started because someone volunteered me for it.

I can offend people pretty easily. All I have to do is talk politics. Here goes...

The 1917 Espionage Act was the first significant anti-free speech statute in the United States to be challenged in court. The Republican Supreme Court upheld numerous cases of censorship as it related to opposing the Great World War, from anti-war pamphlets to advertisements opposing the draft. They called opposing war the equivalent of 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' and sent many people to prison for years.

In those days traditional liberal groups like ACLU and National Lawyers Guild fought to keep free speech.

It wasn't until the late 1960's under a Democratic Supreme Court that these early and severe anti-free speech cases were overturned, and we were permitted some of our free speech back again.

Today, free speech is being assaulted on all sides, with each blaming the other.

Some Democrats want to have notorious 'safe spaces,' which would be fine, but they don't realize that they need to go to the safe space and not have the safe space come to them.

Some Republicans want to have total monopolization of free speech by declaring corporations Constitutional 'persons' with free speech rights, or allowing deregulated conglomerates to buy up all the free speech space and control it. Ironically, even the ACLU has bought into some of these views.

In 2010, the same year of the notorious Citizens United corporate electioneering case, the Supreme Court also upheld the "material support" law by a 6-3 vote with all Republicans voting to make free speech illegal, and all Democrats against it. They reasoned that talking to groups on the 'terrorism list' would give them credibility, even if you told them to give up terrorism! Crazy stuff. Jimmy Carter himself was outraged at this decision.

As for me, I think speech should remain virtually unregulated, but that large conglomerates should not be allowed to hog up all the space. That would be nice.

The CIA is open 24/7. They never sleep while whispering sweet nothings into adoring ears.

Don't worry, the FBI can protect you with Blackmail and Extortion because they have all comm lines by the balls.

TheodoreKent would be a good backup, just based on his principles. I don’t know if he has any tech knowledge though.

Middle path however...I appreciate his voice here and it’s important to have such voices here, however they are a bit perhaps too intolerant of right wing views. No extreme is good and no extreme should be allowed to dominate a platform, but you also can’t silence extreme views, and I would be worried that middle path would eventually try to silence, or reduce, right wing views

It's not as contradictory as it seems to you. I'm open and it interests me, but I'm not seeking it out. None of that cancels the other out.

Imagine I offered you a job as a chef, but you were a butcher. You may not have sought out the job on your own, but it may interest you.

Well with that in mind he seems alright.

When you say v/politics mod, I think gabara. And we do not need anyone like that or we’ll be reddit’s conservative clone in no time

I really like that.

The moments of serenity and oneness that interrupt the daily bullshit are growing more frequent

I believe in Jesus being the son of God. I will admit it’s mostly an upbringing thing. The Bible tells me so, my father told me so, and so I know it to be true. Not very convincing I know.. Mainly stems from my admiration for my father and for the Book.

But the man Jesus did exist. And by all accounts he lead the perfect life. And his actions here on Earth, have had an impact like no other man. So logically speaking, if anyone was the son of God, it was him.

I think about this a lot. My wife was raised a follower of the ‘World Mission Society Church of God’

Basically they’re Christian but they believe that Jesus already came a second time. The guy never claimed it, the organization did after he died. It reaks of scientology/ money scheme.

My wife is mostly cleansed of it.. not that I took an overly active role in getting her there. To each their own...

But I wonder how God reacts to these people. They’re good people, they love Jesus. They just also love his second coming..

I think God will accept them, and they will learn of their mistake in the end.

I’m rambling now, but at the core of what it is to be Christian- accept that you are inherently evil, and that it takes effort to be good. Accept that there is a God/greater power, and that you owe your life to him.

The Bible, the philosophy of it all, is the next step in the process. Not necessarily a necessary step.. but it shouldn’t be viewed that way, as if it’s the price of admission. Just the easiest way to put it.

I'm open to the position, but not taking it too seriously as it is completely hypothetical. It was proposed by a user without any official backing and the role does interest me, but I'm not going for something that doesn't exist. It's all just a "maybe" right now, but until Putt weight in, it's all pretending.

Thank God for this sane comment. Here, have an upvoat.

I didn’t ignore them, I’m just not like you in that I don’t enjoy making enemies out of long time users.

Disappointed I don’t know. I think I’ve seen him before. Can’t speak for his character.

Peaceseeker is well liked and well hated alike. I’ve seen him accused of being putts alt multiple times. Probably not true, but probably not a great place to go looking for putts number two. I do like him though, and I considered him.

Flysway. Mods v/politics. My least favorite sub on voat. Mostly reposts from the_donald. If he’s anything like the rest of the mod team, no thank you. They’re as big on hivemind enforcement, as reddit is.

@middle_path

I’m a born again Christian. I love God and talking about God, and I regularly quote the bible on voat. I moderate v/gospel and will continue to post there every Sunday.

Do you think that is a problem/ would you do anything to limit my speech?

@kevdude here’s the first person to agree with you on this. If there are more reactions like this, then it would be a no go. Just speaking practically.

Poems are the language of love.

I definitely understand your concern. I honestly do. And if this hypothetical position opened up, I would act in every way except to blatantly censor someone just for having and unpopular opinion or not being nice.

I just like manners, but I cannot enforce them. No one is completely objective, but freedom of speech is paramount here - we do agree there. That's the entire reason I'm on this site and I'd argue you're here for the same reason.

I know you don't trust me, I know you don't believe me. It's the truth.

If you want to continue your pingings and campaign against me, I really don't care. It's literally not even a position that's open and until I had more info on it, I won't even take it seriously.

I’m tempted to say I will just to watch the fireworks..

But seriously, who I or anyone suggests to putt is a pretty innocent thing to go to war over.

If you think middle is a polarizing figure, then surely he won’t get the job. At this point I actually am digging my heels in, on principle. No one gets to have their way on voat thru odd veiled threats.

I don’t know them, besides peace and no I don’t think he would brigade.

I do think that you and pv and sbbh have a way of calling in the infantry when you want to get your way. Call it what you want.

@disappointed @flyawayhigh my beef isn’t with you people

I just mean in general it would be best to not immediately get the factions involved

My nominations aside. Mainly the idea is, we want redundancy in the management of this place. That’s step one

Honestly, I didn’t know anyone disliked him before I made the suggestion.

I don’t know if this is some stupid spat or not. I do know, that the way he’s responded to your attacks is respectable.

So personally, I’m inclined to believe him. I’m a little torn though, because I don’t want someone who will tear the community into two factions..

So lets agree to disagree. Theo seems like he is a definite nomination from both of us? I still think middle would be good, but I’d like to hear from the community on whether or not I’m wrong.

In the end its putts choice anyways. We will have to make our case to him whenever he comes back with the explanation post

You should’ve probably made that clear. Usually when you tag a few people, it’s to begin the brigade..

Well if he really is a polarizing figure, then fine.

But I’m not sure if he really is polarizing. It’s not fair that my one voice elect someone, and it’s not fair for you and your one voice to denounce them.

Was just a nomination. But it does sound like we can agree on Theodore. So there’s that. I think that alone would significantly help our situation.

I would ask that you hold off on getting protect voat involved as a unit. I don’t even know if putt will give this idea any attention. But it sure fire way to turn this into a really polarizing affair, as getting them involved.

I want more poems.

Not in the least. I'm just asking you to back up your claims.

I’m not digging in; I think ultimately it won’t be a democratic decision. It’ll be a putt decision, after some insight from us.

That said I don’t the threatening the website with a shitstorm is any way to go about this.

You’re the only naysayer so far. Peaceseeker seemed alright with both choices, seems like general users would.

But, if you want to make a post about this, I’d encourage it. We could use an unofficial election debate.

Poems? We only allow haikus here.

@Atko did come back!

To fix the stuff that was whack?

He's the daddy mack.

Weaponized poetry

you mean like hip-hop or rap?

Well I think those are just opinions, it seems like it was heavily upvoated and people agreed with the sentiment.

I support him. But I’m open to hearing what everyone thinks/ possible other options.

At least that is something. To be honest though I agree with the sentiment of his post. It would be nice to see more niche subs spring up and survive. I don’t think anything about that post encourages silencing anyone. It just has a little bit of dissent in it; from what the herd is used to hearing..

Poems are trash. I'll pretend to be Putt if that will stop you.

"AYYYYEE!!!! I was in Aruba playing putt-putt golf....get it? C..cause my name is Putt. Anyway, they get trash internet down there and I was busy. Everyone needs to relax their tits, Putt is on the case!"

Yes, I want people to be civil. I don't see how that could possibly be a bad thing. I would not ever enforce it as a hard rule or censor someone because they weren't being nice.

I have been sole mod of a few subs and i have only banned a few people, all for good reasons (mostly spam). If I was a ban happy faggot, don't you think I would have shown this through my actions?

You’re willing to throw yourself at him based on ‘meh pretty sure he said something dumb that one time’

You’re usually more rational this. It’s alarming considering how many users on this site think of you as their cult leader.

These are the reasons someone entirely unlike you and me, is required for the job.

That’s some sanegoati type thinking.

When has he seaked power? He mods a garden sub, that’s about how powerful he is here. I suggested him b/c he seems like a rational adult who loves this place.

Guantanamo.

I have been thinking for a long time that there should be a few junior admins. I understand that the Creators of Voat don't want to trust anyone, but surely, there's a way they can make juniors with their coding skills so that anyone who becomes abusive can be removed.

One of the key limitations of Voat these past three years is the unavailability of people to go to when disputes arise. Yes, Atko and PuttItOut have done a helluva job, but they just can't be here all the time.

As for myself, I know very little about admining. :)

I don’t understand the random tagging. I can tag people too but I’d prefer just a general community response.

You said you were onboard with Theodore. That alone would help the situation.

Putt and Theodore and Middle might make a good Trifecta though. It wouldn’t hurt if they disagreed on some things/ all agreed on free speech

@middle_path what’s the beef? He says you endorsed some censorship, we should at least get your take..

Do I here a seconded for Theodore then?

I didn’t realize middle was alienating anyone. What did he say/ what is his take on that accusation?

Because sometimes kev, we disagree on what over policing is here. I don’t mind small niche subs catering to specific content

I’m Christian, but I’m not using religion as context for my choice.

One of the more polarizing things about myself, is my religion. I haven’t seen them denounce Christianity/it’s followers..

Oh come on!

A year ago I would have recommended you. But some of us are a bit too polarizing...

What’s wrong with these two? Like you and I, they care about free speech. I don’t they would abuse power by any stretch of the imagination.

It just seems like a good suggestion to me. Who would you recommend

Why not sanegoat?

How do I enforce tone policing?

I am very appreciative of Voat existing. I have to say that first. Here are my questions / suggestions. I know nothing.

Does Puttitout make $198,000 a year at his real job? If so, then we have to back off if there is no money for him here.

Does Puttitout make $45,000 a year at his real job? If so, then can he post expenses and how much he wants/deserves for himself so we know what to donate?

Is that too simple? This is how I see it. I make about $125 a day. I use Voat everyday. I get Starbucks everyday (I know, waiting for Black Rifle Coffee chains) and spend $5-$9 dollars. How much would I give to use Voat? $0.50 a day is like $15 a month. Same as my World of Warcraft subscription. Can't we just pay him via Square Cash or something?

Sorry for my rambling. I hope everything turns out well.

:-)

Ha!

Keep Voat Poem-Free.

I am deeply honored by this nomination from both you and @Chiefpacman.

I'm not sure what the job entails and he's right. I certainly don't seek it out. But, if the community cares enough and wants me there - it would be worth considering.

I want it to happen!

That familiar chorus and tune,

Demanding the sun and the moon,

This website is free-o,

So relax a bit Theo,

Sir Putt will explain it all soon.

No more rhymes, and I mean it!

Links are blue

PuttitOut took time off

If you don't like it, fuck you

Voat went down. The goats did frown . Conspiracy theories were abound. Putts whereabouts were unknown. With accusations steadily growing. Arkancide or honeypot take your pick. We heard the lot. From the dark recesses came a good goy. Atko our hero to fix our toy.

CIA NIGGERS.

Oh The Vogonity

We've been bamboozled

Are you a Vogon?

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Putt, where the fuck have you been?

I love your poetry.

The servers went down

Putt was not around to help

Sad day for free speech