I right clicked on the link to open the vid in its own tab, then I right clicked on the vid and selected "Save Video As..." and it saved as IVwrfL, which VLC opened and played without a problem. BTW, using Waterfox.
No. The weirdest thing is that I cannot open or view bitchute either. It seems to be a common problem though, I have to run a in-site script to allow for framed vids to show up and do so with every vid I select to watch.
Its strange. I use chrome (yuck I know I know) and "startpage", chrome wont even allow btc to open up while startpage will but neither allow me to watch the vids.
Maybe updating drivers and OS will help. I'm not an expert, just stating the little I know. BTW, what OS you on? If Linux there should be relevant error messages printed to the console.
It goes against the "happy tranny forever" narrative when a self-mutilated sexual degenerate comes out and says he's sorry he had his own penis cut off.
I'm sick and tired of the bigotry double trans peoples have to face. They are twice as brave as normal trans and have had to transition twice, something none of the intolerant bigoted trans minds could understand.
you seem to be sarcastic but this is the correct answer. otherwise you have to force youtube to behave differently using state intervention, and that won't fix the problems that would just reappear down the road. the problem needs to be fixed without state intervention and that means popularizing a competitor.
I can't find evidence of this being true. The vid you linked is a year and a half old. There are a SHIT LOAD of trans regret vids on YouTube right now.
At least with all the previous banned vids YouTube could argue they're doing a good thing fighting white supremacists or people spreading lies about the virus. This is evil as it gets because your banning people that are expressing their experiences with a journey that shockingly often leads to suicide. This is more dangerous than yelling fire in a movie theater. Half the people in the theater dont fucking kill themselves when they hear fire.
Youtube censors the truth and leaves lies on there. You can find all the nasa stuff you want on there. Are you smart enough to understand what that implicates? Gravity, ball Earth, dinosaurs, evolution. It's all on youtube. Whereas the truth gets consored and deleted.
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Joe Rogan just said he's moving his full episodes off YouTube at the end of the year. To Spotify. Anything that helps to break their monopoly is probably good.
Yeah I too was and still am influancable, but even at the peak I never went like....hmmm how about I take a bunch of dangerose drugs and cut my dick off.
It’s not that IsaacJan, the autistic jewish retard who admits to having multiple sockpuppets, isn’t reading; it’s that he can’t read. Moreover, it’s that he’s so pants-shittingly terrified of–not me, but rather what I represent–that he refuses to so much as state a single thing he himself believes, much less prove any of his claims. Leftists such as him have reached the point where they realize that even their “most tame” ideological precepts are completely indefensible in any setting where opposition to them is allowed to exist, and therefore they can’t even risk STATING what they believe, due to the backlash that the lies will inevitably receive.
He will prove me correct in every reply from now until the day he dies.
Exactly. And despite that fact you'll get a felony record and a spot on the list if you bang someone who's legally old enough to make a lifelong commitment.
Our legal system's logic at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.
In your grandparents' day boys and girls took adult responsibilities on when they were in their teens. Today, the snowflakes don't become adults until their late 30s, and sometimes not even then.
This is true, even though i had a debatably rough life (compared to other coddled millennials) , I didn't not feel like an adult until 25. I was facing homelessness and had to restructure my entire world. I know believe that if you don't face actual, or at least imposed, adversity then you're pretty much worthless. This scares me about raising otw children, as programs don't exist to actually challenge them. I toured a third world country for a year at eleven, without parents, but such an idea would now be balked at.
I'll get downvoted for saying this, but the same should apply to religious indoctrination. No adult (sorry, smoky, you're not in the club) would believe such nonsense.
100% what kind of idiot believes in fairy tales as an adult. Even if you suppose for second their is a God, he doesn't seem to give a fuck about the world. Getting on your knees and praying to the wind is pathetic. Go out and make your own destiny. These cucks can't face death and their leaders are criminal pedophiles and rapists.
I'm an Atheist. My mother took me to church three times a week, until I only went once a week for her own benefit. It was a wonderful experience and did great things for myself. I am taking my future children to church, many christian churches, just as my mother did. So that they can see the compassion and devotion derived from ritual, tradition, and community. Atheists who downplay religious benefits are fucking delusional narcissists.
My parents never went to church, although my dad insisted I go to Sunday School, I suppose partly because it was expected, and partly because he could hang out at his buddies house in town and get a snootful before I got out an hour later. I didn't mind, I'd bring pillows and drive us home at 9 or 10 years old. My mom never did anything religious, she'd sit there in front of the game shows and soap operas all day with her coffee and cigarettes, if you'd directly ask her if she believed in god, she'd pull the smoke out of her mouth long enough to say "Of course" and zone right out again.
I fuck. I've banged models. Beautiful girls with big titties. Those girls don't even look at guys like you, and if they do it's with disgust in their eyes. lol
I've banged models. Beautiful girls with big titties.
You're talking about those silicon dolls that you can bend their arms and legs around, right? You couldn't come up with the thousands of dollars it takes to buy one if you started charging for blowjobs.
I heard about you trying to make your own doll and how you got somebody with brains to put a microprocessor and servo to make it hump. You say you're going to call it the DigiCunt 3? Then you can pretend you're not a virgin anymore!
I fuck. I told you I fuck models and regular girls. I told you this yesterday. Don't tell me you are so dumb you already can't remember what happened yesterday. That would be hilarious. You can't remember what happened yesterday? Also I know the Earth can't be a spinning ball, because I did the scientific research, that anyone can reproduce. Even you could do it.
I've been to more than a dozen countries. Lol. You are still only projecting. I bet you never even left your state.
No, I have sex with them. I destroy their pussy so they can't walk straight for a few days. When I don't visit them, they cry because they miss me that much.
You never noticed all the stuff in the sky that proves the world is round?
You mean clowds? You can sometimes see clowds BEHIND the Sun. Which proves someting I say. That the Sun is thousands of miles away from the Earth instead of the millions your jew masters say it is.
Yeah, I look fantastic. I am tall and handsome. Girls love me. Sad little faggots like you are jealous. This is what this is about huh. You are jealous because you aren't as perfect as I am. How pathetic.
I am sharing reality with you. I understand you have to reject that, as you are a jew cultist. Is that projecting about the meds? Are you on meds? That would explain a thing or two.
Yeah, you have no interest in the truth or reality. That's because you choose to worship jew religious fairy tales instead. Because they told you that makes you a smart goy. lol
Teaching religion, iow make believe, to a young impressionable mind that trusts and looks up to you is child abuse. It's not traditional child abuse where you bunch the child in the body but instead you are punching the child in the brain.
These christcucks simply do not see it, they have been taught it from the moment they could talk. There's a very good reason why adults who were never taught religion from a very young age NEVER themselves believe it later in life.
Religious indoctrination is equipping children with metaphysical framework about the universe.
Secular indoctrination is equally religious. Did you think SJWism wasn't a religion just because it doesn't discuss life after death or Divine entities? Bullshit. It serves the exact same function, instructions in common morality, showing you your place in time and space, belonging an exclusive and arrogant community.
What you are saying is that children should receive no moral instruction whatsoever from anyone. And that's impossible.
Sure you can teach children between right and wrong without bringing in a boatload of myths. Otherwise, how did they teach children before the myths were dreamed up? "Bobby, stop hitting your brother! He deserves a piece of cake just as much as you do, in spite of you wanting to pig the whole thing down yourself!"
Religion is an adaptation of the human species that is required for long term group survival. If an ethical proposition leads to extinction, its ethical value should be reconsidered.
The anabaptist(amish) belief in adult baptism is a good compromise.
The entire reason the MSM pushes the narrative that parents shouldn't reinforce certain behaviors, beliefs and stereotypes so that children can "find themselves" is so that children are a sponge to absorb as much bullshit as can be fed to them 6 hours a day in gubmint school, 2 hours of after school activities, 3 hours of "homework", 5 hours of tv, internet and video games. It's why homeschooling is consider dangerous at ivy league universities because the parents have more time to pass on their own worldviews, beliefs, behaviors and stereotype reinforcement. It's no fucking mystery why so many kids are completed confused about who they are and what they are with the only solution being a life time of dependency upon the medical community.
And you have to have really crazy parents to be worse than a shitlib school teacher. Don't remove something if you don't have a plan for what's gonna take its place.
I agree in principle. In actual practice many parents aren't capable of teaching children how to live a good life and be a good community member. In the west, christianity is generally their only feasible option. Unfortunately, christianity is thoroughly feminized. It is also based on a slave culture and a loser mentality. In the long run it does more damage, as their members promote progessivism and actively blocks any feasible reform.
What we should be promoting is critical reasoning, not being lazy, and building strong communities around a healthy ideology (not christianity).
You're describing Christianity as it exists today, not what it once was or could potentially be. Christianity is the one common ingredient of all western cultures, you want to throw the 2,000 year old baby out with the bathwater.
Jesus is the best. I'm not Christian, but I worship the Christian God. Too bad he gets taken out of context to mean "it's fine to let people fuck you over your whole life, just put up with it".
I've been thinking of starting an arch-religion, which unites all positive religions under the "God of Life". According to itself, it is Earth's foremost religion in every slice of the multiverse. In every Earth, positive religions evolved to maximize symbiosis with their followers. It includes all single-standard golden rule religions, so neither Jews nor Muslims will be included, because of their double standards for behavior. "It's okay to enslave people, non-Jews only." "It's okay to rape women as long as they aren't Muslim women." Fuck these parasitic religions. Islam is a parasite that infects Muslims, and Judaism instructs their children on how to be parasitic.
Anyways, having understood the principles of evolution both genetically and memetically, I hope to achieve the highest symbiosis possible for a religious memeplex.
I will take special precautions to ensure this behaves as "DLC" for Christianity, where their fundamental beliefs are unchallenged. I want every Christian to feel at ease enhancing their worldview with my teachings. I want them to feel as though they are already a part of the Church of Life, but hey, here's some wisdom from the multiverse and their alternate timeline versions of Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.
It's also gonna be a source of instruction in "meme magic" or the Law of Attraction. Actually I might be accidentally responsible for 4chan learning how... you're welcome? I explained everything in detail to my brother, and he was a huge channer who shared my teachings. This was Christmas break 2011, and 2012 included baneposting and Ebola-chan, which were the discovery and experimentation. Somebody else taught them about chaos sigils, which I had only heard of a weaker version of.
Nah youre wrong for one very valid reason. The only way to remove religious indoctrination (depending on how you define it) is to take power over children away from parents and give it to the state.
Education would go a long way to avoiding this. OTOH, such niceties as God supposedly creating night and day 3 days before creating the sun and moon should be self evident as nonsense. Those stone age sheepherders that wrote the Bible weren't very bright.
You do not understand the point of religion in society, though seeing how you respond to others you seem like a reasonable person so let me give you my (irrelevant internet stranger opinion)
Religion is a tool for society to explain the unknown so we can get together peacefully. All of our social norms are built off of christianity in the west. The reason we are seeing culture fails us is we have no moral code. So sure shit on the stone age sheepherders, but the reason you see so far is because you stand on the shoulders of giants that lived before you.
Ironically the reason that you can say that
God supposedly creating night and day 3 days before creating the sun and moon should be self evident as nonsense
is mostly thanks to christian universities in 1600s - 1800s. Fact is, most people are not as "awake" as you are. The beauty of religion is its efficiency as social glue for society for those who would not act well when no one is looking.
If you want a deeper understanding of this go to youtube, watch/listen to Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning lecture series from 1996 (the newer ones are worse)...
Your cell phone is infinitely more powerful computation wise than the devices used to go to the moon they destroyed. It's also far more economical now. Why don't we go back? Because with the internet and current technology the farce is easier to debunk.
even moon landing deniers believe it's possible to get to the moon
Quotation needed.
Your conspiracy
You are being a jew puppet. Is that what you want to do with your life?
personal insecurity
Space travel being a religious fairy tale has nothing to do with me being awesome. You are excellent at being wrong.
rather than a pursuit of the truth
What have you done on your persuit of truth to make sure it's correct? What steps have you taken? What research has occurred? Just watch the jew tv and decided that was enough?
You need to feel special
I don't need to. I enjoy being normal. We are all special and unique though. That's the beauty of humanity. Do you like humanity? You seem like one of those who hates everything.
You aren't.
This is why you don't have friends. If you try to act normal a bit more, you will have much better results. You are the one who is making everyone against you. It´s not them. It´s you.
Yet you believe inbred jews when they tell you that you can fly to the moon.
I can't fly to the moon because I don't have the ability to spend billions of tax dollars to do so. Although Elon Musk is working on it. I bet he does it before you get to 20 years old!
Not me so much but my sister was pretty rebellious and she couldn't get up a couple of times. Other times when he was in a thoughtful mood he'd tell me that when I grew up and was in my prime and he was old and weak, I'd beat him within an inch of his life and he'd actually start shaking to imagine it. I used to worry about that so I didn't go home but once in a great while, last time I was home at the age of 20 back in '78 for three days and they started the same old shit again, so I left and never went back. I guess that sort of thing explains why I hate stupid assclowns like you so much.
You've been indoctrinated into the cult of materialistic secular humanism and apparently embraced the faith with blind devotion. It's easy to spot a true believer, they always see their preferred metaphysical system as absolute truth and casually dismiss all others as nonsense, superstition, etc.
You're missing the point, your supposed non-religion is just another religion, and an especially useless one, in fact extremely detrimental to western civilization.
Edgy teen arent you? There is way more to religion than "muh man in the sky", maybe you are barely smart enough to dough but not smart enough to understand why. Sad world you live in.
I don't believe in dead kikes rising from the dead, but I'm also not the room temp IQ faggot going around sperging out at people for not believing in equally fantasitcal bullshit.
I used to think that way too. But the truth is too many people aren't smart enough to understand ethics. They need the concept of heaven and hell to guide them.
Moral absolutism is the belief that morality is absolute and unchanging.
Moral absolutism requires a lodestar, a persona for men to strive towards and mimick that embodies all of the best qualities a man can possess.
The lodestar must be beyond corruption and must be flawless. All men are corruptable, all men are flawed, so it doesnt serve the pursuit of morality to use a mortal man as a moral lodestar for society as it would only require the effort to corrupt 1 man to destroy a nation. (you can see this in situations where a political campaign relies on a populist only for that populist to fall from grace in some kind of scandal)
Thus, it is in the best interest of a moral people to have a divine persona as a moral lodestar, one that cannot be corrupted by mortal temptations. This is the necessity of religion, whether you believe it or not it doesnt matter, it is important to have societal ideals to unite a people towards a common goal.
Our lodestars in todays societies are hand picked by jews on casting couches. Our gods today are actors, politicians, sports players, entertainers. They are superfluous, they are unnecessary. we have been conditioned to sneer upon the men that build our world and worship professional liars and talking heads.
Our current ideal personas are corrupt by design.
This was easier done because we didnt keep our faith in god as christian nations. All white nations were christian, it is what made us all compatible with each other and only by converting other nations were we able to bring them out of savagery. We were convinced our beliefs were dated, they were assaulted by jewish acedemics, their media machines pumped out incessant propaganda to attack our christian lodestar. It worked. Now where are we?
You dont have to be christian or believe in god to see the disservice that killing our moral lodestar has done for our society. It is self evident. If you think faith and christianity is only for the stupid, fine, but why would you want less of it? id rather a moral stupid population than an immoral stupid population.
In the void of god we were left with the desperate seeking council from jewry, they were told they were mentally ill and needed expensive medication that must be subsidized by taxpayers, they were told they were homosexuals, transgenders, they were told they were oppressed by rich white men and that all white men were rich. They were weaponized against us wheras in the past they were redirected into helping others.
An atheist that derides christianity is either an immoral nihilist or is stupid. If he considers himself better for denying faith then he can enjoy his sense of superiority, but to destroy faith that others have that guides them on a path of justice just shows his ignorance.
Personally i am agnostic, atheism and theism both require belief in something that they are unable to prove, only theists are more honest about it.
If we didn't have the bad influences we wouldn't need the lies to keep people in line. It's just another divide that polarizes peoplebetween "heathens and zealots". It's the same thing that subverted the Roman and Germanic empire.
Empathy and altruistism sadly aren't as enshrined in other cultures or humans. I agree with you, I think religion is more about control than ethics. I learned more about conduct from my parents than I ever did at church.
You think belief in a religion is nonsense, but you believe in "injustice?" Can you empirically prove injustice is a coherent concept? You say a dog knows when injustice occurs? Does a pit bull biting off the face of a child know how just or unjust their action is?
I agree that indoctrination of any belief is wrong, but to claim religion is nonsense is nonsense. You have values and beliefs that guide your life which are not empirical or scientific. You have no basis by which to claim your beliefs have any more veracity than various religious beliefs.
I've read quite a bit of philosophy in my life, there's nothing there. As Nietzsche said, philosophy is autobiography.
How do you think that philosophy gets to the truth? How do you show with philosophy which ethic is preferable, which belief is preferable? There is certainly no agreement between philosophers, and there are no empirical measures as in science - so how do you verify that you've struck upon the truth with your philosophy?
It sounds almost like you believe that by calling your thinking "philosophy" it somehow gains some prestige and relevance. Actually it's worse, you said "read philosophy." So I should accept the dogma presented in the books of philosophers? You must have faith in them.
Religious beliefs are pathetic. The only reason people behave is they believe a man in the sky is watching everything they say and think? Can you fathom being that fucking dumb?
Show of hands, how many people here remember religifucks saying that a serial killer who "finds god" and repents on his death bed will get into heaven. Yeah. So much for your fake "morals".
Baptism by passion is a thing, yes. Its rare, but it is an objectively superior doctrine than perdition for mere mortal actions. A man always has a chance to abandon wickedness.
You think we are stupid because you only value the temporal perspective. We value the eternal perspective, and try to make our temporal lives align with it. Low time preference is associated with non-nigger behavior.
But go ahead and keep lying to yourself that you must be smarter than ALL Christians; we understand why you're afraid of our beliefs and can't face them with charity.
Low time preference is associated with non-nigger behavior.
Oh I know, you think in terms of millions and billions of years. oh you ponder and ponder about your "eternal life" after death. In this regards, in the idea of a skygod or whatever antiquated belief people still have, yes, I am smarter.
Speaking of niggers, ever notice how religious those brown third world shitholes are? Oh and don't forget the sand nigger shitholes. Congrats, those are your mental peers!
Just not smart enough to grasp that eternal means atemporal, not lots and lots and lots of time. Its ok; abstract concepts are hard for autistic people.
Ever notice how our society didn't get overrun by niggers and jews until we secularized? Even if you don't believe, supporting Christendom is pretty much our only shot at escaping genocide. Is your hatred of God more important than upholding the 14 words?
I'm clearly making fun of you and you still argue semantics.
And no, it's common knowledge that christfags with their "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbour" bullshit that ruin countries. Hell the word "judaeo-christian" is a dead giveaway how easily manipulated you mouth breathers are. There's no "judaeo-athiest" is there? Go ahead, find me someone holding an "athiests for open borders" sign.
You just don't want to accept it do you? You pretend to have an intellectual discussion but in the end you just argue semantics of words. You know who else argues semantics? I'll give you a hint, a lot of them are lawyers.
Look you dumb fucknugget, the same jews that have infiltrated and inverted the institutions of my faith are the same ones pushing third world invasion, race-mixing, abortion, and deconstruction of European national identities.
You'd rather sit on your low perch feeling smug than engage in positive action. Congratufuckinglations retard. You won the polemics game on a fringe website visited by a few thousand people, meanwhile the girl that should be birthing your white children is fucking dudes named Jamal. Ohhoho, but you sure showed that Christian retard how smart you are, because atheists don't fall for jew lies like communism or free movement of labor in much greater proportions.
God is dead, and you have killed him, you great Nietzschean hero. You say you go to that yoga class to stand in the back and look at girls' asses, but really you're just limbering up so you can learn to suck your own dick.
Oh my looks who dropping the smug intellectual persona and finally regressing to strawman name calling. Getting a little hot under the collar? You know what they say, truth hurts the most.
And I wish I did kill "god", albeit symbolically since he never existed in the first place.
Assumptions? Those are facts (and I use the term very loosely) told to me by christfags themselves. I accept that people don't all believe in the exact same thing, open to interpretation and all that, by this is what christfags believe. For you to say otherwise is disingenuous which I would expect from someone arguing for religion.
What has value to you? Nothing? What provides you with meaning? Nothing? How do you decide how to spend your time?
You say nothing, but your actions show that you do value things, you do find meaning in some things. So you do have beliefs that guide you, but you don't want to admit what those beliefs are because you know they're silly and can't be supported.
One time when I was younger I was hitchhiking and got picked up by two christfags. One of them said he was a pastor and they proceeded to force a captive discussion with me about "god". They argued in the same exact dumb way you do. "Don't you think there is more to life?" "Surely you believe in something?" as if not believing in the one true skygod means I am a nihilist. By the end I found their existence to be utterly irrelevant and told them they are wasting their lives. I could tell by their pause this was something rarely ever said to them so bluntly.
To answer your question I don't live my life waiting to be rewarded when I die, I can sure as hell tell you that.
You sure are preoccupied with the idea of Christians.
as if not believing in the one true skygod means I am a nihilist.
I asked you what you believe in and you said nothing. I don't think anyone, even most avowed nihilists, actually believes in nothing.
To answer your question I don't live my life waiting to be rewarded when I die, I can sure as hell tell you that.
That's not answering the question. I asked what you believe in, not what you don't believe in. Why are you afraid to say what you believe in? Maybe it's family, or having fun, or doing good, or accomplishing something you wish to accomplish. But when asked directly, you refuse to take a position and say "nothing." Why is that?
I love how religious people are obsessed with "believing" in something. Do I have to believe in food to eat it, believe in the sun for it to come up? no.
I answered your question, I don't "believe" in your skygods, you can not like the answer all you want it doesn't change it.
How do you decide what to do with your life? When you wake up, what do you do? Nothing?
Your actions prove that you have beliefs. You value certain things over other things because of those beliefs. You act in ways that are in accordance with your beliefs.
You don't want to admit out loud that you have beliefs because you don't think you will be able to justify your beliefs.
To give a concrete example - let's imagine that you have work to do, but you are also invited to socialize with friends. What do you do? How do you decide whether to do your work or to socialize with your friends? You don't perform repeatable, scientific tests to decide what to do, you make the decision based on what you believe. If you believe having fun is what's most important, and you think socializing with friends is fun, you will go out with your friends. If you believe your work is more important, you will do your work.
Do you see how your beliefs determine how you will act? So why do you wish to remain ignorant of your own beliefs? Forget god entirely - what beliefs do you stand by? What beliefs do you guide your life with?
I can see what your doing, don't you think I grew up surrounded by christfags and have been exposed to these tricks before?
Your entire rambling bullshit boils down to "See, your religious and you didn't even know it". Just shut the fuck up, it's quite frankly embarrassing. And since your just a broken record at this point I'm done here.
No, I don't think you're religious. I think you resent existence itself. Nevertheless, you have beliefs. Too bad you're too much of a coward to have an honest discussion. Don't think that your argumentative tactics are not obvious and pathetic. Refusing to take a position is of course the safest position in any debate, because you cannot be attacked. The only trouble is it's intellectually dishonest. And still, you could defend the position that you believe in nothing, but you're afraid to do that as well. Tighten up, faggot.
Your calling him a coward and yet you Christians can't even accept that there is likely nothing after death. No evidence whatsoever. How many Sundays have you wasted worshipping some pussy on a cross? What's the point in debating a person that believes in fairy tales as an adult?
Why did you write this? You didn't address a single thing that I've said. You call me a Christian even though I've stated several times that I'm not a Christian. Why don't you act like an adult and respond to one my arguments instead of fighting with assumptions you've made about me?
The entire world is based on belief, let's just get that out of the way now - You can't empirically prove that we're not shadows on the wall, brains in a jar, etc. So since we're all on equal footing, I Will Choose Freewill - I decide that what's good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race. I don't need a religion outside of this outside of the fundamental Cogito, ergo sum.
You have no basis by which to claim your beliefs have any more veracity than various religious beliefs.
I mean, the fact that, empirically, we've never observed things like miracles, deities, divine intervention, etc... but we frequently observe everyday occurrences suggest that various religious beliefs are bullshit. It's why the religion of the Aztecs is outmoded - turns out cutting the hearts out of virgins didn't actually influence the rains one way or another. On that note, nobody's doing rain dances anymore. Norse gods, Greco-Roman gods... the list is long.
However my belief that when I mix HCl with NaOH I'll get salt water has been proven billions of times over. So my belief in empiricism is fundamentally more effective than any religious belief that rests solely on faith in something unprovable. Religion rests on the same fundamental level in which we all exist - unprovable assumptions i.e. pure faith, not backed with empiricism.
Now, the consequences of someone believing in religion - the abstraction that a life of sin will lead to hell, where sin is loosely defined as "that which is detrimental to a cohesive society" (theft, murder, envy, covetry, etc.) - that is an effective population control tool. But it's all based on unprovable bullshit - which I will maintain until you can show me evidence of literal heaven and/or hell. Doesn't make religion a bad thing, just a tool.
Have you ever sat vigil with the dying? There's a moment of transformation that occurs, where you're with a person, and then you're with a body. The person is gone. No physiological change occurs, but it can be felt. They go somewhere.
As an honest man, I could not hold to materialism after experiencing that multiple times, and having several conversations with nurses that had the same experience.
I'd can't provide clean objective proof for you. I do think you're missing the majority of existence by holding to cold logic though.
If you ever get the chance, do some hospice volunteering and just sit vigil. It gives families a chance to get away from the situation without guilt; its an objective good.
Hello friend. You are using logic, reason and provable historical fact to argue with people who will literally make up facts on the spot. I enjoy reading your comments but make no mistake you won't be turning any adults on here away from religion any time soon. You might have better luck making someone with downs syndrome a brain surgeon.
I appreciate the sentiment. I don't expect to, nor do I really want to. If people need religion as a crutch to keep them from murdering and stealing from one another, far be it from me to remove that crutch lest society fall into chaos. But I'm not above calling it what it for what it is.
You forget the other side of the coin, parents putting their baby in the oven cause it was "possessed", easily manipulated into supporting open borders, befriending their child's killers etc. Hell we don't have stem cell research cause the religitards were whipped up into a frenzy that stem cells only come from aborted babies when in fact it can come from the placenta blood of healthy born ones.
These people do way more damage to society then their glassy-eyed vapid smiles would have you believe. I'm perfectly fine disagreeing on this but my kids gloves have come off long ago when dealing with them.
You sound like my wife lol. Yea religion has a dark side too. I have a soft spot because I was raised in a religious home that also had a healthy amount of common sense. But the fundamentalists/zealots of any religion are certainly to be afforded caution if not outright contempt. As bad as just about any "ends justify the means" ideology.
Even without religion though, easily-manipulated people will always exist. Humans are social, hierarchical creatures. Hell we see it in the US and Europe today - religiosity has dropped, while faith in the State has soared. Most people need someone or something else to tell them what to do, and there will always be people to take advantage of that. The "glassy-eyed vapid" people exist independently from religion; it's just that those people are naturally drawn to religion. "Sheep," I believe Jesus called them :)
I agree with most of that, can't say I fully agree that the state and religion are even in the same ballpark in regards to "believing" in it, iow two sides of the same coin.
Well sure the state demonstrably exists while gods don't, but the people blindly following the state's edicts as "virtuous" or turning to the government to solve every problem as if it is some infallible entity is what I was getting at. Religion causing people to put babies into ovens, authoritarians causing people to put jews into ovens. Or to starve an entire state/country (Holodomor) if you don't like the holocaust, or using children as bullet shields. Lots of state-sanctioned badness too.
You can't empirically prove that we're not shadows on the wall, brains in a jar, etc. So since we're all on equal footing
I'm not sure you understand what empirical means.
So my belief in empiricism is fundamentally more effective than any religious belief that rests solely on faith in something unprovable.
Only in subjects that are empirical. That's why any example you could use to show that empiricism gets you a "right" answer would have to be an empirical question.
There are questions that cannot be empirically answered - and in those matters empiricism has no proven efficacy.
Now, the consequences of someone believing in religion - the abstraction that a life of sin will lead to hell, where sin is loosely defined as "that which is detrimental to a cohesive society" (theft, murder, envy, covetry, etc.) - that is an effective population control tool. But it's all based on unprovable bullshit
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I decide that what's good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race.
Can you prove that what is good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race? Maybe use your empiricism - it can answer anything, right? Or is this just a belief you have that you can't prove? aka unprovable bullshit
Then you can prove that empirically? Because as far as I know, it's outside the possibility of empiricism. But if you know something I don't then do tell.
If you can't empirically prove that we're not shadows on the wall, then you can't empirically prove anything, not even that a bridge is strong enough to walk on and get to the other side of river. But of course you can prove whether a bridge is or is not strong enough to walk on. Now, perhaps we're all just the dream of a dog, but if that standard of evidence is required, then the word empirical has no meaning. Of course empirical does have a meaning that we both understand.
So yes, we can prove some things empirically, but other things, like whether or not we should choose to lie to someone to gain wealth - cannot be answered by empiricism. There is not a correct behaviour in that situation that can be empirically observed or measured to be correct.
So your entire argument is that you can't prove that god isn't real so he must be. And yet you argue the semantics of the word "empirically" as if you give a fuck about truth or reality.
Why are you arguing with phantoms in your head? I gave an example of a question that is not empirical which has nothing to do with god - why not address that?
I'm not a Christian, though I have respect for Christianity.
More gay assumptions. I have respect for Christianity because I live in a Christian country that was built on Christian beliefs. But you're correct, I'm not "non-religious," I'm religious.
Yes, because that's what I've decided, and since, empirically, I exist, I need no more evidence than that. Now, before we get too misdirected - can you prove that heaven and hell, god/gods, reincarnation - any of that exists? Those are the basis of religious good and evil, after all. I'll save you the trouble - you can't. There is no evidence in the entire human experience to indicate that any of those things exist, and in some cases, by their very definition, there can't be evidence of their existence in this realm.
The foundations of my ethics are based upon my verifiable existence. The foundation of most religions are based upon completely unverifiable claims, e.g. existence of deities.
Yes, because that's what I've decided, and since, empirically, I exist, I need no more evidence than that.
That's not evidence that your belief has any basis in reality, it's merely evidence that you believe something.
Now, before we get too misdirected - can you prove that heaven and hell, god/gods, reincarnation - any of that exists?
I never claimed any of that does or does not exist.
Those are the basis of religious good and evil, after all.
What a narrow view of religion.
The foundation of most religions are based upon completely unverifiable claims, e.g. existence of deities.
The foundation of your ethical system is based upon the completely unverifiable claim that "what's good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race." Why do you hold religions to a higher standard than you hold yourself?
The opening of my original comment was to dismiss the unprovable bullshit and work with what we can verify - i.e. the empirical.
Yes, but there are situations where we have to act one way or another where we cannot empirically determine what is "right" or "wrong." If you were to say you will only act when you can empirically prove you should act that way - you could never act.
Are ethical questions empirical? Can you empirically prove a correct or incorrect answer? If not, then you must admit that empiricism has no efficacy in answering such a question. Rigorous science is very effective at answering empirical questions given enough time - but no matter how rigorous you are, science cannot answer non-scientific, non-empirical questions. To attempt to use science to answer questions that are non-scientific would be foolish.
And again, if you want to say that you only base your individual beliefs on your experience of existence - which entails events that are verifiably existant - that's fine, but it in no way suggests that your individual beliefs are correct or have any correspondence with reality. If a religious person says they've experienced god, and religious experiences can certainly be verified to exist whatever their cause is, does that mean their beliefs have some validity?
You want to dismiss religion because it's not empirically provable, but you maintain your beliefs which are also empirically unprovable.
This is actually kind of brilliant. It expands the term A) making it more of a letter salad (more ridiculous) and B) introducing the idea that these people will always expand their power base if you let them continue.
...I hate the world. I would have never guessed either thing; that P already had an acronym and that the SJW crowd already had a term for pedophiles with less negative connotation attached to it
In addition, when dealing with the "woke" crowd that goes "how DARE you we would NEVER accept PEDOPHILIA" you have a counter to them to say "wtf you fucking BIGOT the 'P' stand for PANSEXUAL" and they go "oh, right I'm sorry, LGBTQP+ it is then".
And for the normies you go back and drop in their ear "look, they're incorporating the 'P'. You know exactly what THAT'S for."
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In other news, I searched for "astrophysics" on YouTube to troll the troglodytes, and the impression they're trying to convey is all astrophysicists are girls except for Neil deGrass Tyson.
Wow. Just tried it, astrophysicists is a girls-only club and Neil deGrasse Tyson. So they have also started the Google "unbiasing" (which means biasing) search results. Great. Let it be part of their downfall.
NakeFews ago
All transformers regret their morph. They just wanted attention.
ExpertShitposter ago
good. let them kys.
Vc83 ago
I'm guessing this also happens en mass over at reddit lgbtq subs and mental health support subs? someone should check it out
Don_Tomaso ago
Weird, the vid cant be downloaded.
theoldguy2 ago
I right clicked on the link to open the vid in its own tab, then I right clicked on the vid and selected "Save Video As..." and it saved as IVwrfL, which VLC opened and played without a problem. BTW, using Waterfox.
Don_Tomaso ago
Damn, I cant seem to save the vid (like how you described).
theoldguy2 ago
Are you running noscript? Maybe try another browser.
Don_Tomaso ago
No. The weirdest thing is that I cannot open or view bitchute either. It seems to be a common problem though, I have to run a in-site script to allow for framed vids to show up and do so with every vid I select to watch.
Its strange. I use chrome (yuck I know I know) and "startpage", chrome wont even allow btc to open up while startpage will but neither allow me to watch the vids.
Maybe you know more about this problem?
theoldguy2 ago
Maybe updating drivers and OS will help. I'm not an expert, just stating the little I know. BTW, what OS you on? If Linux there should be relevant error messages printed to the console.
Don_Tomaso ago
win7
theoldguy2 ago
I have win7 but whenever there's problems I just reinstall. I never let it know the wifi password though.
Don_Tomaso ago
Thanks.
observation1 ago
This is sickening, even for for the mental diseased lefties.
negrojohnny ago
Lopping your dick off is not at all like getting a regretful tattoo. Censorship is an evil unto itself.
IncognitoVoatGuy ago
The homosexual agenda has taken its next step . . .
NPCGator ago
jews censor vids to help other jews to stop the reporting of their jew degeneracy.
FIFY
Dr_Tyrone_Watermelon ago
just a basic search shows the newest upload is 3+ months ago then goes into 1 year+ and 2+ year old results.
sort by new (I dont know if the average user would even do) the uploads are weekly.
they're not being removed, they're being pushed down.
ardvarcus ago
It goes against the "happy tranny forever" narrative when a self-mutilated sexual degenerate comes out and says he's sorry he had his own penis cut off.
BillyBobBoJangles ago
I'm sick and tired of the bigotry double trans peoples have to face. They are twice as brave as normal trans and have had to transition twice, something none of the intolerant bigoted trans minds could understand.
Octoclops ago
I like how this post sounds like nonsense but it's actually true.
hajamieli ago
So, let's start an alternative service and use it exclusively. That'll show them!
goatmeal ago
you seem to be sarcastic but this is the correct answer. otherwise you have to force youtube to behave differently using state intervention, and that won't fix the problems that would just reappear down the road. the problem needs to be fixed without state intervention and that means popularizing a competitor.
Floppyhorsecock ago
I can't find evidence of this being true. The vid you linked is a year and a half old. There are a SHIT LOAD of trans regret vids on YouTube right now.
undertheshills ago
At least with all the previous banned vids YouTube could argue they're doing a good thing fighting white supremacists or people spreading lies about the virus. This is evil as it gets because your banning people that are expressing their experiences with a journey that shockingly often leads to suicide. This is more dangerous than yelling fire in a movie theater. Half the people in the theater dont fucking kill themselves when they hear fire.
aboutime ago
This so terribly sad. The adults that enable this abuse need to be... well, fill in the blank.
RampancyLambentRaven ago
Susan Wojcicki is a cunt and needs to be investigated and jailed.
GrowUpNoDinoNoSpace ago
Susan wojak is an obvious tranny
vastrightwing ago
Can we all agree that this platform is corrupt and censors everything it doesn't like? It's getting old reporting everything they take down or censor.
smokratez ago
Yeah, it's the soupdoxretard faggot trannies who are behind reporting that.
smokratez ago
Youtube censors the truth and leaves lies on there. You can find all the nasa stuff you want on there. Are you smart enough to understand what that implicates? Gravity, ball Earth, dinosaurs, evolution. It's all on youtube. Whereas the truth gets consored and deleted.
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Basically_Hitler ago
Joe Rogan just said he's moving his full episodes off YouTube at the end of the year. To Spotify. Anything that helps to break their monopoly is probably good.
voatdied ago
to another monopoly...that you need to pay for. rogan is a shill.
ninjatacos ago
And a midget and a homo.
Its not ad hominim if its true
voatdied ago
he is definitely a sweaty smelly faggot.
3mluVVV ago
imagine fucking your life over because you were young and easily influenced. wait a minute, isnt that why age of consent exists?
HeavyBrain ago
Yeah I too was and still am influancable, but even at the peak I never went like....hmmm how about I take a bunch of dangerose drugs and cut my dick off.
Tallest_Skil ago
What does age of consent matter when the parents are doing it to helpless children now?
IsaacJan ago
Gayest_shill HATES age of consent, not that any human would consent to sex with a 300+ pound retard jew.
Tallest_Skil ago
It’s not that IsaacJan, the autistic jewish retard who admits to having multiple sockpuppets, isn’t reading; it’s that he can’t read. Moreover, it’s that he’s so pants-shittingly terrified of–not me, but rather what I represent–that he refuses to so much as state a single thing he himself believes, much less prove any of his claims. Leftists such as him have reached the point where they realize that even their “most tame” ideological precepts are completely indefensible in any setting where opposition to them is allowed to exist, and therefore they can’t even risk STATING what they believe, due to the backlash that the lies will inevitably receive.
He will prove me correct in every reply from now until the day he dies.
metricisokay ago
Imagine the same people that helped you fuck your life over turn against you when you try to warn others not to fuck their lives over.
retto ago
(((same people)))
Cade_Connelly_13 ago
Yeah basically, even if it is bullshit for it to be 18 when my own grandparents were courting at 15 and married at 16.
Octoclops ago
16 year olds can still marry each other.
Cade_Connelly_13 ago
Exactly. And despite that fact you'll get a felony record and a spot on the list if you bang someone who's legally old enough to make a lifelong commitment.
Our legal system's logic at its finest, ladies and gentlemen.
ardvarcus ago
In your grandparents' day boys and girls took adult responsibilities on when they were in their teens. Today, the snowflakes don't become adults until their late 30s, and sometimes not even then.
negrojohnny ago
Yes, and an eighth grade education then is equivalent to a masters degree in college.
SleepyWhore ago
This is true, even though i had a debatably rough life (compared to other coddled millennials) , I didn't not feel like an adult until 25. I was facing homelessness and had to restructure my entire world. I know believe that if you don't face actual, or at least imposed, adversity then you're pretty much worthless. This scares me about raising otw children, as programs don't exist to actually challenge them. I toured a third world country for a year at eleven, without parents, but such an idea would now be balked at.
theoldguy2 ago
I'll get downvoted for saying this, but the same should apply to religious indoctrination. No adult (sorry, smoky, you're not in the club) would believe such nonsense.
Niggerfaggot6969 ago
100% what kind of idiot believes in fairy tales as an adult. Even if you suppose for second their is a God, he doesn't seem to give a fuck about the world. Getting on your knees and praying to the wind is pathetic. Go out and make your own destiny. These cucks can't face death and their leaders are criminal pedophiles and rapists.
SleepyWhore ago
I'm an Atheist. My mother took me to church three times a week, until I only went once a week for her own benefit. It was a wonderful experience and did great things for myself. I am taking my future children to church, many christian churches, just as my mother did. So that they can see the compassion and devotion derived from ritual, tradition, and community. Atheists who downplay religious benefits are fucking delusional narcissists.
theoldguy2 ago
My parents never went to church, although my dad insisted I go to Sunday School, I suppose partly because it was expected, and partly because he could hang out at his buddies house in town and get a snootful before I got out an hour later. I didn't mind, I'd bring pillows and drive us home at 9 or 10 years old. My mom never did anything religious, she'd sit there in front of the game shows and soap operas all day with her coffee and cigarettes, if you'd directly ask her if she believed in god, she'd pull the smoke out of her mouth long enough to say "Of course" and zone right out again.
smokratez ago
Lol. He called you out perfectly.
theoldguy2 ago
Says the superstitious sky daddy crowd.
smokratez ago
You believe the universe randomly created you, because that's what inbred jews told you. lol
theoldguy2 ago
So who created your ghod?
smokratez ago
Can't even type God, like a jew.
theoldguy2 ago
But I'm not a jew, so I don't type it in the jewish style. Try to keep up here.
smokratez ago
You are an honorary jew. A jew puppet. You do their bidding for free and willingly. That's how dumb you are.
theoldguy2 ago
And you know this how? You're on the jew board of directors or something? Stupid little incel.
smokratez ago
I fuck. I've banged models. Beautiful girls with big titties. Those girls don't even look at guys like you, and if they do it's with disgust in their eyes. lol
Because atheism is a jew cult.
theoldguy2 ago
You're talking about those silicon dolls that you can bend their arms and legs around, right? You couldn't come up with the thousands of dollars it takes to buy one if you started charging for blowjobs.
smokratez ago
Nope. Superpretty girls. Real women. The ones that an incel like you will never get.
I've told you before that I don't know who made God. Try to not be such an inbred faggot and remember things for a change.
theoldguy2 ago
I heard about you trying to make your own doll and how you got somebody with brains to put a microprocessor and servo to make it hump. You say you're going to call it the DigiCunt 3? Then you can pretend you're not a virgin anymore!
smokratez ago
Good projection. Makes sense that you are a virgin.
theoldguy2 ago
You ain't had pussy since pussy had you.
smokratez ago
Don't speak like a nigger. Makes you look even dumber.
theoldguy2 ago
I have a long way to go to catch up to you, though.
smokratez ago
I only speak like a nigger on occasion, to mock faggots like you who speak like niggers because you have similar iq to niggers.
theoldguy2 ago
Says the incel who thinks the earth is flat because he's never been out of the county. Your mom lets you cross the street by yourself yet?
smokratez ago
I fuck. I told you I fuck models and regular girls. I told you this yesterday. Don't tell me you are so dumb you already can't remember what happened yesterday. That would be hilarious. You can't remember what happened yesterday? Also I know the Earth can't be a spinning ball, because I did the scientific research, that anyone can reproduce. Even you could do it.
I've been to more than a dozen countries. Lol. You are still only projecting. I bet you never even left your state.
theoldguy2 ago
You fuck them over by stealing their stuff? OK then.
You never noticed all the stuff in the sky that proves the world is round? Get your head out of your ass and look around.
smokratez ago
No, I have sex with them. I destroy their pussy so they can't walk straight for a few days. When I don't visit them, they cry because they miss me that much.
You mean clowds? You can sometimes see clowds BEHIND the Sun. Which proves someting I say. That the Sun is thousands of miles away from the Earth instead of the millions your jew masters say it is.
theoldguy2 ago
And you claim you look good! Take a pic so we can make more fun of you.
"clowds" <- idiot spelling
smokratez ago
Yeah, I look fantastic. I am tall and handsome. Girls love me. Sad little faggots like you are jealous. This is what this is about huh. You are jealous because you aren't as perfect as I am. How pathetic.
theoldguy2 ago
There goes the "legend in your own mind" again. How about taking your meds for once?
smokratez ago
I am sharing reality with you. I understand you have to reject that, as you are a jew cultist. Is that projecting about the meds? Are you on meds? That would explain a thing or two.
theoldguy2 ago
Your psychotic hallucinations don't interest me.
smokratez ago
Yeah, you have no interest in the truth or reality. That's because you choose to worship jew religious fairy tales instead. Because they told you that makes you a smart goy. lol
theoldguy2 ago
It's the OLD guy, not smart. If I was smart, I wouldn't trumpet it to the heavens like some leftie faggot. And you're definitely not smart.
smokratez ago
I'm a genius. You know this. I can see and do things you normies can't. That's why you are jealous.
TripleZ ago
Agreed. Once indoctrinated it's almost impossible to drop the conditioning.
dummythicc ago
This a thousand times.
Teaching religion, iow make believe, to a young impressionable mind that trusts and looks up to you is child abuse. It's not traditional child abuse where you bunch the child in the body but instead you are punching the child in the brain.
These christcucks simply do not see it, they have been taught it from the moment they could talk. There's a very good reason why adults who were never taught religion from a very young age NEVER themselves believe it later in life.
kishind ago
Religious indoctrination is equipping children with metaphysical framework about the universe.
Secular indoctrination is equally religious. Did you think SJWism wasn't a religion just because it doesn't discuss life after death or Divine entities? Bullshit. It serves the exact same function, instructions in common morality, showing you your place in time and space, belonging an exclusive and arrogant community.
What you are saying is that children should receive no moral instruction whatsoever from anyone. And that's impossible.
theoldguy2 ago
Sure you can teach children between right and wrong without bringing in a boatload of myths. Otherwise, how did they teach children before the myths were dreamed up? "Bobby, stop hitting your brother! He deserves a piece of cake just as much as you do, in spite of you wanting to pig the whole thing down yourself!"
CowWithBeef ago
Religion is an adaptation of the human species that is required for long term group survival. If an ethical proposition leads to extinction, its ethical value should be reconsidered.
The anabaptist(amish) belief in adult baptism is a good compromise.
epik- ago
If you're not going to 'indoctrinate' your children, some shitlib school teacher will.
That is not to say you shouldn't teach your children how to think critically, but you need to give them a foundation to start of with.
for most normies, a foundation any more complex than skydaddy is out of the question
Planetoftheclown ago
The entire reason the MSM pushes the narrative that parents shouldn't reinforce certain behaviors, beliefs and stereotypes so that children can "find themselves" is so that children are a sponge to absorb as much bullshit as can be fed to them 6 hours a day in gubmint school, 2 hours of after school activities, 3 hours of "homework", 5 hours of tv, internet and video games. It's why homeschooling is consider dangerous at ivy league universities because the parents have more time to pass on their own worldviews, beliefs, behaviors and stereotype reinforcement. It's no fucking mystery why so many kids are completed confused about who they are and what they are with the only solution being a life time of dependency upon the medical community.
noob_tube ago
Homeschool
Cade_Connelly_13 ago
And you have to have really crazy parents to be worse than a shitlib school teacher. Don't remove something if you don't have a plan for what's gonna take its place.
tourgen ago
I agree in principle. In actual practice many parents aren't capable of teaching children how to live a good life and be a good community member. In the west, christianity is generally their only feasible option. Unfortunately, christianity is thoroughly feminized. It is also based on a slave culture and a loser mentality. In the long run it does more damage, as their members promote progessivism and actively blocks any feasible reform.
What we should be promoting is critical reasoning, not being lazy, and building strong communities around a healthy ideology (not christianity).
PFCKaji ago
You're describing Christianity as it exists today, not what it once was or could potentially be. Christianity is the one common ingredient of all western cultures, you want to throw the 2,000 year old baby out with the bathwater.
GrowUpNoDinoNoSpace ago
Except for all the people like me who were raised agnostic and now we follow Jesus Christ. Nice try, though!
kishind ago
Jesus is the best. I'm not Christian, but I worship the Christian God. Too bad he gets taken out of context to mean "it's fine to let people fuck you over your whole life, just put up with it".
I've been thinking of starting an arch-religion, which unites all positive religions under the "God of Life". According to itself, it is Earth's foremost religion in every slice of the multiverse. In every Earth, positive religions evolved to maximize symbiosis with their followers. It includes all single-standard golden rule religions, so neither Jews nor Muslims will be included, because of their double standards for behavior. "It's okay to enslave people, non-Jews only." "It's okay to rape women as long as they aren't Muslim women." Fuck these parasitic religions. Islam is a parasite that infects Muslims, and Judaism instructs their children on how to be parasitic.
Anyways, having understood the principles of evolution both genetically and memetically, I hope to achieve the highest symbiosis possible for a religious memeplex.
I will take special precautions to ensure this behaves as "DLC" for Christianity, where their fundamental beliefs are unchallenged. I want every Christian to feel at ease enhancing their worldview with my teachings. I want them to feel as though they are already a part of the Church of Life, but hey, here's some wisdom from the multiverse and their alternate timeline versions of Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism.
It's also gonna be a source of instruction in "meme magic" or the Law of Attraction. Actually I might be accidentally responsible for 4chan learning how... you're welcome? I explained everything in detail to my brother, and he was a huge channer who shared my teachings. This was Christmas break 2011, and 2012 included baneposting and Ebola-chan, which were the discovery and experimentation. Somebody else taught them about chaos sigils, which I had only heard of a weaker version of.
awildbanannaphone ago
Nah youre wrong for one very valid reason. The only way to remove religious indoctrination (depending on how you define it) is to take power over children away from parents and give it to the state.
theoldguy2 ago
Education would go a long way to avoiding this. OTOH, such niceties as God supposedly creating night and day 3 days before creating the sun and moon should be self evident as nonsense. Those stone age sheepherders that wrote the Bible weren't very bright.
awildbanannaphone ago
You do not understand the point of religion in society, though seeing how you respond to others you seem like a reasonable person so let me give you my (irrelevant internet stranger opinion)
Religion is a tool for society to explain the unknown so we can get together peacefully. All of our social norms are built off of christianity in the west. The reason we are seeing culture fails us is we have no moral code. So sure shit on the stone age sheepherders, but the reason you see so far is because you stand on the shoulders of giants that lived before you.
Ironically the reason that you can say that
is mostly thanks to christian universities in 1600s - 1800s. Fact is, most people are not as "awake" as you are. The beauty of religion is its efficiency as social glue for society for those who would not act well when no one is looking.
If you want a deeper understanding of this go to youtube, watch/listen to Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning lecture series from 1996 (the newer ones are worse)...
PsychicRussiaSpy ago
You are not alone in this thinking
smokratez ago
Yet you believe inbred jews when they tell you that you can fly to the moon. Your ignorant hypocrisy is hilarious.
kishind ago
I'm not sure what you're getting at, even moon landing deniers believe it's possible to get to the moon.
Your conspiracy is based in personal insecurity, rather than a pursuit of the truth. You need to feel special. You aren't.
fuckthisshit12 ago
Your cell phone is infinitely more powerful computation wise than the devices used to go to the moon they destroyed. It's also far more economical now. Why don't we go back? Because with the internet and current technology the farce is easier to debunk.
smokratez ago
Atheists aren't smart enough to think logically about things.
smokratez ago
Quotation needed.
You are being a jew puppet. Is that what you want to do with your life?
Space travel being a religious fairy tale has nothing to do with me being awesome. You are excellent at being wrong.
What have you done on your persuit of truth to make sure it's correct? What steps have you taken? What research has occurred? Just watch the jew tv and decided that was enough?
I don't need to. I enjoy being normal. We are all special and unique though. That's the beauty of humanity. Do you like humanity? You seem like one of those who hates everything.
This is why you don't have friends. If you try to act normal a bit more, you will have much better results. You are the one who is making everyone against you. It´s not them. It´s you.
theoldguy2 ago
I can't fly to the moon because I don't have the ability to spend billions of tax dollars to do so. Although Elon Musk is working on it. I bet he does it before you get to 20 years old!
smokratez ago
Keep on believing inbred jews. That's all you religious slaves can do.
theoldguy2 ago
No, I don't believe you. You're kind of slow on the uptake, aren't you?
smokratez ago
So did your dad beat you?
theoldguy2 ago
Not me so much but my sister was pretty rebellious and she couldn't get up a couple of times. Other times when he was in a thoughtful mood he'd tell me that when I grew up and was in my prime and he was old and weak, I'd beat him within an inch of his life and he'd actually start shaking to imagine it. I used to worry about that so I didn't go home but once in a great while, last time I was home at the age of 20 back in '78 for three days and they started the same old shit again, so I left and never went back. I guess that sort of thing explains why I hate stupid assclowns like you so much.
smokratez ago
I bet he beat you and raped you. That's why you are such a retarded little faggot.
theoldguy2 ago
Nup, never raped me. He only raped the retarded kids next door. Good thing you weren't around then, huh?
smokratez ago
No, he raped and beat you. That's why you are such a retarded faggot.
theoldguy2 ago
Stifle, Edith!
smokratez ago
Is Edith your mom, that killed herself to get away from a retard mongloid like you?
theoldguy2 ago
Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting a 15 year old would be too young to remember something from the early '70's even if he had brains. It comes from this:
Would you stifle, Edith?
smokratez ago
I don't watch jew brainwashing. It turns you into an anti science inbred mongoloid like yourself.
theoldguy2 ago
Your daddy was still a nosepicking brat in short pants when that was on anyway, so don't claim you chose not to watch it.
smokratez ago
Only an anti science mongoloid like yourself watches jew brainwashing.
theoldguy2 ago
Ok, you "win" (ahh-hahahahaha!) I'm gonna take a break from your bitching for a little while again.
smokratez ago
You going to be driving again? Same thing as before. Make sure you have a deadly accident ok?
theoldguy2 ago
When did I say that? Are you hallucinating again?
smokratez ago
I don't care how, as long as you kill yourself.
theoldguy2 ago
Well I won't. If I was suicidal I'd fight it just to piss you off. Too bad for you huh?
smokratez ago
Yeah. I would love it if you were dead. Would make me happy for a second or two.
theoldguy2 ago
Oh, the horror! We can't have that!
smokratez ago
Who is we? You don't have anyone. You are all alone. Because that is what your jew cult programs you to do.
theoldguy2 ago
Come again? Making you look silly is like shooting fish in a barrel.
smokratez ago
You don't have friends. You pretends you have conversations with people. They either humor you or don't remember you. It's hilarious.
PFCKaji ago
You've been indoctrinated into the cult of materialistic secular humanism and apparently embraced the faith with blind devotion. It's easy to spot a true believer, they always see their preferred metaphysical system as absolute truth and casually dismiss all others as nonsense, superstition, etc.
theoldguy2 ago
Well, the earth isn't flat, I've seen that with my own eyes. I'd much rather believe my own eyes than some superstitious nobody on the internet.
PFCKaji ago
You're missing the point, your supposed non-religion is just another religion, and an especially useless one, in fact extremely detrimental to western civilization.
smokratez ago
You are a superstitious nobody on the internet.
Jagon ago
Edgy teen arent you? There is way more to religion than "muh man in the sky", maybe you are barely smart enough to dough but not smart enough to understand why. Sad world you live in.
theoldguy2 ago
How's that Dunning-Kruger syndrome doing? Or you don't listen to your doctor?
Jagon ago
Control your emotions kid
theoldguy2 ago
Hey, I'm not the one arguing from emotion here.
smokratez ago
That is literally all you do. You troll on voat to try to get people to respond to you, because you don't know how to act like a normal human being.
theoldguy2 ago
Just you, sonny, just you.
smokratez ago
Nope. You tack onto things other people are saying, to pretend you have conversations with people. Lol
theoldguy2 ago
Well, that leaves you out.
smokratez ago
Did your dad beat you? I bet he did.
smokratez ago
Atheism is a religious cult led by jews. You are too dumb to notice.
Niggerfaggot6969 ago
Atheism is the lack of belief in God you idiot.
toobaditworks ago
Atheists created religion.
oneinchterror ago
Says the kike who denies the divinity of Jesus.
smokratez ago
I'm white. If you think anyone can rise from the dead, you've watched too much jew tv zombie movies.
oneinchterror ago
I don't believe in dead kikes rising from the dead, but I'm also not the room temp IQ faggot going around sperging out at people for not believing in equally fantasitcal bullshit.
You're a retard.
TheGreenTriangle ago
Isn't that the whole point though, nobody can rise from the dead that's why it's a miracle and therefore the son of God.
smokratez ago
If you believe someone can rise from the dead, you are as gullible as people who believe you can go to the moon.
toobaditworks ago
Isn't that the whole point though, nobody can go to the moon that's why it's a miracle and therefore the son of Nasa.
smokratez ago
lol
lipids ago
I used to think that way too. But the truth is too many people aren't smart enough to understand ethics. They need the concept of heaven and hell to guide them.
mudbear ago
Moral absolutism is the belief that morality is absolute and unchanging.
Moral absolutism requires a lodestar, a persona for men to strive towards and mimick that embodies all of the best qualities a man can possess.
The lodestar must be beyond corruption and must be flawless. All men are corruptable, all men are flawed, so it doesnt serve the pursuit of morality to use a mortal man as a moral lodestar for society as it would only require the effort to corrupt 1 man to destroy a nation. (you can see this in situations where a political campaign relies on a populist only for that populist to fall from grace in some kind of scandal)
Thus, it is in the best interest of a moral people to have a divine persona as a moral lodestar, one that cannot be corrupted by mortal temptations. This is the necessity of religion, whether you believe it or not it doesnt matter, it is important to have societal ideals to unite a people towards a common goal.
Our lodestars in todays societies are hand picked by jews on casting couches. Our gods today are actors, politicians, sports players, entertainers. They are superfluous, they are unnecessary. we have been conditioned to sneer upon the men that build our world and worship professional liars and talking heads.
Our current ideal personas are corrupt by design.
This was easier done because we didnt keep our faith in god as christian nations. All white nations were christian, it is what made us all compatible with each other and only by converting other nations were we able to bring them out of savagery. We were convinced our beliefs were dated, they were assaulted by jewish acedemics, their media machines pumped out incessant propaganda to attack our christian lodestar. It worked. Now where are we?
You dont have to be christian or believe in god to see the disservice that killing our moral lodestar has done for our society. It is self evident. If you think faith and christianity is only for the stupid, fine, but why would you want less of it? id rather a moral stupid population than an immoral stupid population.
In the void of god we were left with the desperate seeking council from jewry, they were told they were mentally ill and needed expensive medication that must be subsidized by taxpayers, they were told they were homosexuals, transgenders, they were told they were oppressed by rich white men and that all white men were rich. They were weaponized against us wheras in the past they were redirected into helping others.
An atheist that derides christianity is either an immoral nihilist or is stupid. If he considers himself better for denying faith then he can enjoy his sense of superiority, but to destroy faith that others have that guides them on a path of justice just shows his ignorance.
Personally i am agnostic, atheism and theism both require belief in something that they are unable to prove, only theists are more honest about it.
Atkho ago
If we didn't have the bad influences we wouldn't need the lies to keep people in line. It's just another divide that polarizes peoplebetween "heathens and zealots". It's the same thing that subverted the Roman and Germanic empire.
Plavonica ago
Sure, but they should have that choice after they grow up.
lipids ago
These people effectively never grow up. They stay retarded their whole lives.
theoldguy2 ago
But even a dog knows when injustice occurs.
BiochemistryStudent ago
Empathy and altruistism sadly aren't as enshrined in other cultures or humans. I agree with you, I think religion is more about control than ethics. I learned more about conduct from my parents than I ever did at church.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
You think belief in a religion is nonsense, but you believe in "injustice?" Can you empirically prove injustice is a coherent concept? You say a dog knows when injustice occurs? Does a pit bull biting off the face of a child know how just or unjust their action is?
I agree that indoctrination of any belief is wrong, but to claim religion is nonsense is nonsense. You have values and beliefs that guide your life which are not empirical or scientific. You have no basis by which to claim your beliefs have any more veracity than various religious beliefs.
Niggerfaggot6969 ago
So why not cut out the dogma and read philosophy to establish your ethics, beliefs, practices, etc.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
I've read quite a bit of philosophy in my life, there's nothing there. As Nietzsche said, philosophy is autobiography.
How do you think that philosophy gets to the truth? How do you show with philosophy which ethic is preferable, which belief is preferable? There is certainly no agreement between philosophers, and there are no empirical measures as in science - so how do you verify that you've struck upon the truth with your philosophy?
It sounds almost like you believe that by calling your thinking "philosophy" it somehow gains some prestige and relevance. Actually it's worse, you said "read philosophy." So I should accept the dogma presented in the books of philosophers? You must have faith in them.
dummythicc ago
Religious beliefs are pathetic. The only reason people behave is they believe a man in the sky is watching everything they say and think? Can you fathom being that fucking dumb?
Show of hands, how many people here remember religifucks saying that a serial killer who "finds god" and repents on his death bed will get into heaven. Yeah. So much for your fake "morals".
Seventh_Jim ago
Baptism by passion is a thing, yes. Its rare, but it is an objectively superior doctrine than perdition for mere mortal actions. A man always has a chance to abandon wickedness.
You think we are stupid because you only value the temporal perspective. We value the eternal perspective, and try to make our temporal lives align with it. Low time preference is associated with non-nigger behavior.
But go ahead and keep lying to yourself that you must be smarter than ALL Christians; we understand why you're afraid of our beliefs and can't face them with charity.
Niggerfaggot6969 ago
You believe in a talking snake, sit down.
dummythicc ago
Oh I know, you think in terms of millions and billions of years. oh you ponder and ponder about your "eternal life" after death. In this regards, in the idea of a skygod or whatever antiquated belief people still have, yes, I am smarter.
Speaking of niggers, ever notice how religious those brown third world shitholes are? Oh and don't forget the sand nigger shitholes. Congrats, those are your mental peers!
Seventh_Jim ago
Just not smart enough to grasp that eternal means atemporal, not lots and lots and lots of time. Its ok; abstract concepts are hard for autistic people.
Ever notice how our society didn't get overrun by niggers and jews until we secularized? Even if you don't believe, supporting Christendom is pretty much our only shot at escaping genocide. Is your hatred of God more important than upholding the 14 words?
dummythicc ago
I'm clearly making fun of you and you still argue semantics.
And no, it's common knowledge that christfags with their "turn the other cheek" and "love thy neighbour" bullshit that ruin countries. Hell the word "judaeo-christian" is a dead giveaway how easily manipulated you mouth breathers are. There's no "judaeo-athiest" is there? Go ahead, find me someone holding an "athiests for open borders" sign.
You just don't want to accept it do you? You pretend to have an intellectual discussion but in the end you just argue semantics of words. You know who else argues semantics? I'll give you a hint, a lot of them are lawyers.
Seventh_Jim ago
Look you dumb fucknugget, the same jews that have infiltrated and inverted the institutions of my faith are the same ones pushing third world invasion, race-mixing, abortion, and deconstruction of European national identities.
You'd rather sit on your low perch feeling smug than engage in positive action. Congratufuckinglations retard. You won the polemics game on a fringe website visited by a few thousand people, meanwhile the girl that should be birthing your white children is fucking dudes named Jamal. Ohhoho, but you sure showed that Christian retard how smart you are, because atheists don't fall for jew lies like communism or free movement of labor in much greater proportions.
God is dead, and you have killed him, you great Nietzschean hero. You say you go to that yoga class to stand in the back and look at girls' asses, but really you're just limbering up so you can learn to suck your own dick.
dummythicc ago
Oh my looks who dropping the smug intellectual persona and finally regressing to strawman name calling. Getting a little hot under the collar? You know what they say, truth hurts the most.
And I wish I did kill "god", albeit symbolically since he never existed in the first place.
Seventh_Jim ago
Just tryin to bridge the IQ gap. I don't think I can go two standard deviations down, but I had to make the effort. Now its just kinda boring.
dummythicc ago
lol keep kidding yourself. High IQ christian is an oxymoron.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
Boy, that's a lot of pointless assumptions you've made.
But tell me, what do you believe in?
dummythicc ago
Assumptions? Those are facts (and I use the term very loosely) told to me by christfags themselves. I accept that people don't all believe in the exact same thing, open to interpretation and all that, by this is what christfags believe. For you to say otherwise is disingenuous which I would expect from someone arguing for religion.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
I wasn't talking about Christianity, so why did you bring them up?
dummythicc ago
Nothing, and certainly not make believe, fairy tales and fantasy.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
What has value to you? Nothing? What provides you with meaning? Nothing? How do you decide how to spend your time?
You say nothing, but your actions show that you do value things, you do find meaning in some things. So you do have beliefs that guide you, but you don't want to admit what those beliefs are because you know they're silly and can't be supported.
dummythicc ago
Here's a little story, just for you.
One time when I was younger I was hitchhiking and got picked up by two christfags. One of them said he was a pastor and they proceeded to force a captive discussion with me about "god". They argued in the same exact dumb way you do. "Don't you think there is more to life?" "Surely you believe in something?" as if not believing in the one true skygod means I am a nihilist. By the end I found their existence to be utterly irrelevant and told them they are wasting their lives. I could tell by their pause this was something rarely ever said to them so bluntly.
To answer your question I don't live my life waiting to be rewarded when I die, I can sure as hell tell you that.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
You sure are preoccupied with the idea of Christians.
I asked you what you believe in and you said nothing. I don't think anyone, even most avowed nihilists, actually believes in nothing.
That's not answering the question. I asked what you believe in, not what you don't believe in. Why are you afraid to say what you believe in? Maybe it's family, or having fun, or doing good, or accomplishing something you wish to accomplish. But when asked directly, you refuse to take a position and say "nothing." Why is that?
dummythicc ago
I love how religious people are obsessed with "believing" in something. Do I have to believe in food to eat it, believe in the sun for it to come up? no.
I answered your question, I don't "believe" in your skygods, you can not like the answer all you want it doesn't change it.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
How do you decide what to do with your life? When you wake up, what do you do? Nothing?
Your actions prove that you have beliefs. You value certain things over other things because of those beliefs. You act in ways that are in accordance with your beliefs.
You don't want to admit out loud that you have beliefs because you don't think you will be able to justify your beliefs.
To give a concrete example - let's imagine that you have work to do, but you are also invited to socialize with friends. What do you do? How do you decide whether to do your work or to socialize with your friends? You don't perform repeatable, scientific tests to decide what to do, you make the decision based on what you believe. If you believe having fun is what's most important, and you think socializing with friends is fun, you will go out with your friends. If you believe your work is more important, you will do your work.
Do you see how your beliefs determine how you will act? So why do you wish to remain ignorant of your own beliefs? Forget god entirely - what beliefs do you stand by? What beliefs do you guide your life with?
dummythicc ago
I can see what your doing, don't you think I grew up surrounded by christfags and have been exposed to these tricks before?
Your entire rambling bullshit boils down to "See, your religious and you didn't even know it". Just shut the fuck up, it's quite frankly embarrassing. And since your just a broken record at this point I'm done here.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
No, I don't think you're religious. I think you resent existence itself. Nevertheless, you have beliefs. Too bad you're too much of a coward to have an honest discussion. Don't think that your argumentative tactics are not obvious and pathetic. Refusing to take a position is of course the safest position in any debate, because you cannot be attacked. The only trouble is it's intellectually dishonest. And still, you could defend the position that you believe in nothing, but you're afraid to do that as well. Tighten up, faggot.
Niggerfaggot6969 ago
Your calling him a coward and yet you Christians can't even accept that there is likely nothing after death. No evidence whatsoever. How many Sundays have you wasted worshipping some pussy on a cross? What's the point in debating a person that believes in fairy tales as an adult?
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
Why did you write this? You didn't address a single thing that I've said. You call me a Christian even though I've stated several times that I'm not a Christian. Why don't you act like an adult and respond to one my arguments instead of fighting with assumptions you've made about me?
Seventh_Jim ago
You should empirically test that.
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
The entire world is based on belief, let's just get that out of the way now - You can't empirically prove that we're not shadows on the wall, brains in a jar, etc. So since we're all on equal footing, I Will Choose Freewill - I decide that what's good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race. I don't need a religion outside of this outside of the fundamental Cogito, ergo sum.
I mean, the fact that, empirically, we've never observed things like miracles, deities, divine intervention, etc... but we frequently observe everyday occurrences suggest that various religious beliefs are bullshit. It's why the religion of the Aztecs is outmoded - turns out cutting the hearts out of virgins didn't actually influence the rains one way or another. On that note, nobody's doing rain dances anymore. Norse gods, Greco-Roman gods... the list is long.
However my belief that when I mix HCl with NaOH I'll get salt water has been proven billions of times over. So my belief in empiricism is fundamentally more effective than any religious belief that rests solely on faith in something unprovable. Religion rests on the same fundamental level in which we all exist - unprovable assumptions i.e. pure faith, not backed with empiricism.
Now, the consequences of someone believing in religion - the abstraction that a life of sin will lead to hell, where sin is loosely defined as "that which is detrimental to a cohesive society" (theft, murder, envy, covetry, etc.) - that is an effective population control tool. But it's all based on unprovable bullshit - which I will maintain until you can show me evidence of literal heaven and/or hell. Doesn't make religion a bad thing, just a tool.
PsychicRussiaSpy ago
Well said
Seventh_Jim ago
A respectable viewpoint, and one I used to share.
Have you ever sat vigil with the dying? There's a moment of transformation that occurs, where you're with a person, and then you're with a body. The person is gone. No physiological change occurs, but it can be felt. They go somewhere.
As an honest man, I could not hold to materialism after experiencing that multiple times, and having several conversations with nurses that had the same experience.
I'd can't provide clean objective proof for you. I do think you're missing the majority of existence by holding to cold logic though.
If you ever get the chance, do some hospice volunteering and just sit vigil. It gives families a chance to get away from the situation without guilt; its an objective good.
TripleZ ago
That is one of the dumbest things anyone ever said. Carry on.
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
So what you sayin bud, you don't like Rush?
TripleZ ago
I liked one of their songs - "Time stands still" I think it's called. So yeah, I guess I don't like Rush.
dummythicc ago
Hello friend. You are using logic, reason and provable historical fact to argue with people who will literally make up facts on the spot. I enjoy reading your comments but make no mistake you won't be turning any adults on here away from religion any time soon. You might have better luck making someone with downs syndrome a brain surgeon.
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
I appreciate the sentiment. I don't expect to, nor do I really want to. If people need religion as a crutch to keep them from murdering and stealing from one another, far be it from me to remove that crutch lest society fall into chaos. But I'm not above calling it what it for what it is.
dummythicc ago
You forget the other side of the coin, parents putting their baby in the oven cause it was "possessed", easily manipulated into supporting open borders, befriending their child's killers etc. Hell we don't have stem cell research cause the religitards were whipped up into a frenzy that stem cells only come from aborted babies when in fact it can come from the placenta blood of healthy born ones.
These people do way more damage to society then their glassy-eyed vapid smiles would have you believe. I'm perfectly fine disagreeing on this but my kids gloves have come off long ago when dealing with them.
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
You sound like my wife lol. Yea religion has a dark side too. I have a soft spot because I was raised in a religious home that also had a healthy amount of common sense. But the fundamentalists/zealots of any religion are certainly to be afforded caution if not outright contempt. As bad as just about any "ends justify the means" ideology.
Even without religion though, easily-manipulated people will always exist. Humans are social, hierarchical creatures. Hell we see it in the US and Europe today - religiosity has dropped, while faith in the State has soared. Most people need someone or something else to tell them what to do, and there will always be people to take advantage of that. The "glassy-eyed vapid" people exist independently from religion; it's just that those people are naturally drawn to religion. "Sheep," I believe Jesus called them :)
dummythicc ago
I agree with most of that, can't say I fully agree that the state and religion are even in the same ballpark in regards to "believing" in it, iow two sides of the same coin.
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
Well sure the state demonstrably exists while gods don't, but the people blindly following the state's edicts as "virtuous" or turning to the government to solve every problem as if it is some infallible entity is what I was getting at. Religion causing people to put babies into ovens, authoritarians causing people to put jews into ovens. Or to starve an entire state/country (Holodomor) if you don't like the holocaust, or using children as bullet shields. Lots of state-sanctioned badness too.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
I'm not sure you understand what empirical means.
Only in subjects that are empirical. That's why any example you could use to show that empiricism gets you a "right" answer would have to be an empirical question.
There are questions that cannot be empirically answered - and in those matters empiricism has no proven efficacy.
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Can you prove that what is good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race? Maybe use your empiricism - it can answer anything, right? Or is this just a belief you have that you can't prove? aka unprovable bullshit
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
Then you can prove that empirically? Because as far as I know, it's outside the possibility of empiricism. But if you know something I don't then do tell.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
If you can't empirically prove that we're not shadows on the wall, then you can't empirically prove anything, not even that a bridge is strong enough to walk on and get to the other side of river. But of course you can prove whether a bridge is or is not strong enough to walk on. Now, perhaps we're all just the dream of a dog, but if that standard of evidence is required, then the word empirical has no meaning. Of course empirical does have a meaning that we both understand.
So yes, we can prove some things empirically, but other things, like whether or not we should choose to lie to someone to gain wealth - cannot be answered by empiricism. There is not a correct behaviour in that situation that can be empirically observed or measured to be correct.
dummythicc ago
So your entire argument is that you can't prove that god isn't real so he must be. And yet you argue the semantics of the word "empirically" as if you give a fuck about truth or reality.
Your a true christian I'll give you that.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
Why are you arguing with phantoms in your head? I gave an example of a question that is not empirical which has nothing to do with god - why not address that?
I'm not a Christian, though I have respect for Christianity.
dummythicc ago
Pro tip for anyone reading, non-religious people do not "respect" christianity. This person is either a christfag himself or the dreaded agnostic...
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
More gay assumptions. I have respect for Christianity because I live in a Christian country that was built on Christian beliefs. But you're correct, I'm not "non-religious," I'm religious.
dummythicc ago
So I'm right or wrong? Your circular style of arguing is annoying.
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
This is wrong, retard.
InyourfaceNancyGrace ago
Yes, because that's what I've decided, and since, empirically, I exist, I need no more evidence than that. Now, before we get too misdirected - can you prove that heaven and hell, god/gods, reincarnation - any of that exists? Those are the basis of religious good and evil, after all. I'll save you the trouble - you can't. There is no evidence in the entire human experience to indicate that any of those things exist, and in some cases, by their very definition, there can't be evidence of their existence in this realm.
The foundations of my ethics are based upon my verifiable existence. The foundation of most religions are based upon completely unverifiable claims, e.g. existence of deities.
PsychicRussiaSpy ago
Could god and religion be an auto response part of your brain just to keep you from freaking out about dropping dead?
Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago
That's not evidence that your belief has any basis in reality, it's merely evidence that you believe something.
I never claimed any of that does or does not exist.
What a narrow view of religion.
The foundation of your ethical system is based upon the completely unverifiable claim that "what's good and just in the world is the survival and advancement of the human race." Why do you hold religions to a higher standard than you hold yourself?
Yes, but there are situations where we have to act one way or another where we cannot empirically determine what is "right" or "wrong." If you were to say you will only act when you can empirically prove you should act that way - you could never act.
Are ethical questions empirical? Can you empirically prove a correct or incorrect answer? If not, then you must admit that empiricism has no efficacy in answering such a question. Rigorous science is very effective at answering empirical questions given enough time - but no matter how rigorous you are, science cannot answer non-scientific, non-empirical questions. To attempt to use science to answer questions that are non-scientific would be foolish.
And again, if you want to say that you only base your individual beliefs on your experience of existence - which entails events that are verifiably existant - that's fine, but it in no way suggests that your individual beliefs are correct or have any correspondence with reality. If a religious person says they've experienced god, and religious experiences can certainly be verified to exist whatever their cause is, does that mean their beliefs have some validity?
You want to dismiss religion because it's not empirically provable, but you maintain your beliefs which are also empirically unprovable.
smokratez ago
He's a jew cultist. He's too dumb to see he's being a hypocrite. He can only say what jews programmed him to say.
dummythicc ago
Hush smoothbrain, people are talking. Go eat some lego.
Negro_Nazi ago
Who? Jesus?
smokratez ago
Then you are dumber than a dog, because you can't tell.
kammmmak ago
Just imagine how the idiot feels like now that jewtube won't let you talk about it.
CowWithBeef ago
Statistically it's thinking about suicide.
BoomerHater1488er ago
You forgot the P.
RedBullTrooper ago
It’s just FAG for short.
BoomerHater1488er ago
No, saying, "LBGTQP" is better because most people are used to seeing "LGBTQ" so they'll wonder what the P stands for. It stands for pedophile.
tourgen ago
This is actually kind of brilliant. It expands the term A) making it more of a letter salad (more ridiculous) and B) introducing the idea that these people will always expand their power base if you let them continue.
23904936? ago
@BoomerHater1488er as I have said to others I have seen "P" explained as "pansexual" (AKA will fuck anything: dick, pussy, front-hole-wound etc).
The correct way to expand the word salad is to add "MAP" - the SJW approved term for pedo (Minor Attracted Person).
BoomerHater1488er ago
...I hate the world. I would have never guessed either thing; that P already had an acronym and that the SJW crowd already had a term for pedophiles with less negative connotation attached to it
tankingwrong ago
In addition, when dealing with the "woke" crowd that goes "how DARE you we would NEVER accept PEDOPHILIA" you have a counter to them to say "wtf you fucking BIGOT the 'P' stand for PANSEXUAL" and they go "oh, right I'm sorry, LGBTQP+ it is then".
And for the normies you go back and drop in their ear "look, they're incorporating the 'P'. You know exactly what THAT'S for."
kammmmak ago
Seems like another censor/hide case of the truth to let continue the subverting and destruction of Whites because Loxism and The Kalergi Plan.
Maybe I'm wrong.
peacegnome ago
Well, they aren't pushing blacks to be gay (even though many become gay anyway because of their degeneracy) or trans.
HitlerDinduNufin ago
They all end up gay in prison. one way or another.
smokratez ago
All niggers are already gay to begin with.
peacegnome ago
Well, degenerate, and doing gay shit is just part of that.
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tom9152 ago
V/Loxism
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Ducktalesooo000ooo ago
Why'd you spell it "joo"?
theoldguy2 ago
That was in the original title
https://gvid.tv/v/IVwrfL
Ducktalesooo000ooo ago
You think that's odd at all that they misspelled it?
ardvarcus ago
I think it's odd you should make a fuss about it.
ADaniels ago
it means JEW
Ducktalesooo000ooo ago
i know that.
you think i asked because i DON"T have the ability to recognize patterns motherfucker?
ADaniels ago
oh, sorry lol.
theoldguy2 ago
In other news, I searched for "astrophysics" on YouTube to troll the troglodytes, and the impression they're trying to convey is all astrophysicists are girls except for Neil deGrass Tyson.
bigcum500 ago
Lol holy fuck. Everything is propaganda dude. How does no one see it.
holaymackal ago
Yep. Google 'astrophysics for men' and you get Tyson, articles on women and blacks. That's it.
DrShitlord ago
Wow. Just tried it, astrophysicists is a girls-only club and Neil deGrasse Tyson. So they have also started the Google "unbiasing" (which means biasing) search results. Great. Let it be part of their downfall.