Let me give you a little background:
When I first came here to Voat it was because of the PIZZAGATE scandal. Most of the conspiracies I read about in the past 5 years or so got me to find God again. I am a Christian. To me there is only one Book - The Bible (KJV version) that describes exactly the truth of what happens in this world. I understood that the synagogue of Satan and the principalities in high places of this world ruled it from the shadows. Though names like the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are quite commonly related with the principalities, that want to have the synagogue take over on a One World Government, ruled by the Sodomite jew in the letter of perdition, nobody knows for sure who and how many are behind those shadows.
To me Jesus is the only Truth, the only Way. And though many of you may disagree with me that is the main reason why I do not trust or put my faith in one man/woman. For the things of man are not of God. That is why I am quite skeptic about this whole Q thing. As interesting as it may be for me to read about it, I still find it shady.
That being said, here on Voat I had the chance to understand the Word of God better as thanks to @Crensch, on a previous interaction we had, I was able to finally make the difference between the "jews in the letter" and "Jews in the Spirit" (Romans 2:28 - 29) and also why the Synagogue of Satan had that particular name. @Crensch is not a believer (and probably will never be, but I have faith in God that he may come around for I wish him well), but we both have something in common: We both distrust the Synagogue of Satan to our core. He will call them KIKES or (((THEM))). And so will most of Voat's community. We all believe that the word "antisemitism" is a word created by the jews in the letter (the term I use - but I admit I use the others as well ;) ) to use the guilt, race and victim cards on all of us gentiles - known by them as GOYIM. This is an example of why WE do not give words that much importance, because though they can be use to hurt feelings. those same words can also strengthen character so we can stand firm against them or against those that use them to manipulate people.
The synagogue of Satan means the church of the adversary. The ones who oppose the Word of God given through Jesus Christ. They use the old testament at convenience to manipulate others and they pervert the Word of God with their paganism and witchcraft. That is why I am a proud Voater. Though many here, if not most, wish to have the jews in the letter and their stooges "gassed" I can only offer them the Word of God. God in the end will be their judge.
You may wonder what is the point of me telling you all this. I will get there don't worry. I am not trying to evangelize you. I am just giving you my perspective of things. And here it goes:
We may all have our differences but as a community we all get to learn from each other. I while being here my faith has gotten stronger for I see in many that outcast Christians the hands of the enemy that inspire them to act against us. As a Christian I know that many will call themselves like that, but are not. So I understand that dealing with shills is an everyday task. Call them out, ignore them is what we can do. But I will never be part of censorship for that is what the synagogue wants: censorship is their tool to police the goyims thoughts. I am done with all that.
I understood that as some may not agree with me, we can still find common ground to work together and not wish ill for each other. That is what I gained from Voat and I want to share it with you. I know that right now there is a great division between two subs here: v/theawakening and v/GreatAwakening. At some point, you guys will have to find that common ground (even though it is quite obvious) the mods on v/theawakening are letting their personal believes/feelings trump their rational thinking. You need to understand that YES you will have to deal with shills and that some may very well work against you. But if you do not find that common ground to work together with v/GreatAwakening then all your work will go down the drain. I am not here to divide, I am here to let you know that I will not stand by censorship but I will support justifiable, documented and public accusation of the shill user accounts.
@Crensch has quite the experience in doing that and he is a great tool you guys can serve yourselves with to handle that. I trust him firmly for I know that God used him in two different occasions to share truth about Christians even when he didn't realized he did. Any one that stands by him, knows that he is well intended. Plus I find his aggressive and epic argumentations with some foul language quite amusing to read and enlightening. If he stands by v/GreatAwakening I know he means well for your community to flourish.
I am not putting faith on a man when you have proofs of what he has already done. I am putting trust that he is transparent and is like a pitbull when he needs to defend his friends and his family. In this case the family I am talking about is both Voat and the members of the v/GreatAwakening.
He has in the past also defended Q with great resolve against Q skeptics that tend to troll the v/GreatAwakening even when that meant that he had to publicly denounce someone that he knew before for his continuous defamation of the movement without proofs.
If he has trust in the user list that the v/GreatAwakening had given to you fellows then I will not doubt that he has good reasons for that. But he also is a person that will not let the movement go stray for someone he knows as he proved that before. And I have no doubt that the other users he has pinged in past posts have also good things to offer: @Trigglypuff, @Rotteuxx, @ExpertShitposter, @Hand_of_Node and specially @srayzie and @Shizy.
Again I am not going to put my faith in a man like Q, but I do find the topic interesting. My faith goes to Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit.
May God bless you all and bring you peace so you can stand against the synagogue of Satan - UNITED.
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ExpertShitposter ago
Pizzagate deletes spam and bans repeat offenders. People have mostly accepted that. So you wouldn't have caught nearly as much flak if that's all you did.
What you did however, was wrote a set of rules where "hate speech" is a banable offense, even if its q related. Not only is that retarded to begin with (because niggers and jews really do suck), but you also then have to have a few mods that will have to decide what is hate speech and what isn't.
So then you have the same situation as when the government wants to ban hate speech, and a handful of judges will define what hate speech it. And wallah, Q and pizzagate discussion is "harassment of Innocent congressmen and government officials" and must be a jail worthy offense.
See how that works? If you ever make something illegal, then someone has to be in a position of power to define what that is. And that person is always a jew fucking faggot, and then shit gets fucked.
You were gonna get trolled ether way, because that's life on the internet, but you got flooded with shit because you revealed your self to be the same kind of redditor, as the ones who banned you over there.
ssgrader ago
Q !!mG7VJxZNCI No.236 📁 Sep 15 2018 15:28:26 (EST) NEW DnKGWXyU8AAG5Ln.jpg-large.jpg ⬇
They want you DIVIDED. DIVIDED by RACE. DIVIDED by RELIGION. DIVIDED by CULTURE. DIVIDED by CLASS. DIVIDED by POLITICAL AFFILIATION. DIVIDED YOU ARE WEAK. TOGETHER YOU ARE STRONG. WE, THE PEOPLE. WWG1WGA! Q just a friendly reminder WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER and there are people of ALL colors that ARE Q besides this racist BULL SHIT was created to keep us divided .. but you know this already.. yes we are the same race H U M A N and because of the ALL of us are fallible but no division that is Uni rock and AJ tactics ...
ExpertShitposter ago
No they don't. They just want you enslaved.
I want us divided, only division has a chance for lasting peace. I am not strong with jew leaches, and nigger slackers and killers. I am only strong in the European brotherhood.
Europe + USA + Australia + UK + New Zealand + South Africa = 800 million white people.
Is this 800m group not strong enough for you?
ssgrader ago
congratulations you just listed 5eyes this isn't about race in fact ALL PEOPLE are the same race it is called the HUMAN race the Satanists are lying to you...
ExpertShitposter ago
Fell for the jew meme.
If you stick around, you will learn why blacks have an IQ of 70-80 instead of 100-110. And you will learn why they commit half the murders in the use, even tho they are only 15% of the population. You will learn why there is 3000% jewish overrepresentation in us govt, and why most 1%ers are jews.
And many even darker things. You are not ready yet.
ssgrader ago
how many races are listed for mankind? oh i am ready brother this isn't my first rodeo but ALL people are of the HUMAN race
ExpertShitposter ago
I don't give a fuck about dumb and lazy people you christ's jew cock sucking rearded christfag boomer.
Kill em all.
Hand_of_Node ago
There may be something wrong with your keyboard. Check your caps lock key for unwanted substances.
ssgrader ago
Intersting comment DID you notice ALL I DID was copy and post Q's Drop? those ARE HIS caps.. ... I happen to have been taught the same way Q was about Caps. .....
Hand_of_Node ago
I don't know if he's illiterate, or if he believes his target market is illiterate. Either way, it's not a good look. People leaving a cult often face strong challenges in reintegrating with reality. I'd suggest you search the internet for tips on how to ease that process before you arrive at that point. Or make the most of the ride while it lasts.
ssgrader ago
I am older and when i was in school we were taught that caps aRE ASLO for emphasis i think Q was using that here... I listed my source now if you refute my segment please give sources and actual reasoning.. ok...
Hand_of_Node ago
On the internet, ALL-CAPS are a way to identify yourself as a senile old person. (said as one of the oldest pre-invasion voaters)
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/caps-lock
Huh, they say it's a sign of immature kids, but I suspect that's only because they're kids under 40 themselves. Either way, it's a technique for shedding credibility. I would suggest replacing it with a limited use of italics. If you have to use excessive emphasis, your writing style may need improvement.
ssgrader ago
WELl i am an older guy and not very computer savvy normally i would take the complement you have given me.. HOWEVER my post you are remarking about was taken from a Q drop THE CAPS WERE His....so please by all means Inform Q about it... see where that takes you... \
Hand_of_Node ago
*Note the below is generalized across the whole invading force.
Ah, it's the old "speak the language of your audience" thing. I used to be one of the oldest on voat, until this latest invasion. IMO (in my opinion), the worst aspect of this latest Qcumber invasion has been the degree to which it definitively confirms the "senile boomer" stereotype the kids love so much.
It's like some of them are unaware that computers have been available for purchase since 1984, and that the ARPANET became the internet, that one could easily access beginning in the mid to late 90s. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them literally watch television, and think the truncated "info" in those riddles on a chan site are revelations.
Then there's all the "niggers and oven-dodgers are our friends, and we own them the courtesy of ending our race so they won't feel so oppressed" stuff... It's like all the money and effort the jews invested in subverting our culture was a wise investment.
Anyway, enough rant for now. Good luck with awakening to reality.
abattoirdaydream ago
Reminder: When v/pizzagate was infighting about censorship and v/pizzagatewhatever spun off...v/pizzagate put other PG subs in their OWN sidebar.
Bludgie ago
I can't tell you the number of times I've posted like on Facebook, about something emotional and deeply personal to me, like remembering my child on the anniversary of her death, and a couple of people decide they're going to have a flame war on my post. Just because I put it out there and free speech. My wall fuckers. If I want to create something beautiful and nice, a safe little garden, then fuck off somewhere else with your big, ugly, diarrhoeaing mouth. Go shit somewhere else. I don't want to watch you taking your dump. I don't want to sit in your turds. I yearn for a space where I can talk freely with like-minded people without having to want to punch someone in the damn face for the anger and hate that I feel when they open their bitch-ugly racist mouth. I don't want to look at their word turds. I'm only here now cause all y'all tell me to fuck off.
Kill-Commies ago
Came here to say you're just another one of the impotent right wing SJW cock suckers that I and most other people around here absolutely detest.
Bludgie ago
And you're a subhuman monster. I loathe you.
huhu11 ago
Good luck being a SJW here. Sad about your child but its your burden not ours just like we all have heavy stuff. Using JewBook ? All right. . . You want Safe Space? Ok? Sounds like you have been visiting marxist land lately. Welcome to reality.
Bludgie ago
I'm not really intending to be here. I just gate being told what to do. If I kill myself it will be because I want to, not because someone else wants me to. And the same with fucking off. It is sad about my daughter. People here would have fun calling her a retard probably. It doesn't change anything what people think, except to hurt others--to make them feel less and have a shitty day. This is your reality, not mine. My reality is filled with people who lift others up when they're down, friends who buy me a plane ticket home when my mother is dying and having to downsize her house, and even a stranger who gave me a house when I was homeless because he'd lost his son also. My world is full of beatiful, smart people of all shapes and colors in my classes at school--people I like, respect and admire. I actually don't use Facebook very much anymore. My kids never post on it, the censorship made it boring, and I was pressured by one friend to give up another, which I just wouldn't do, even though I think her opinions on Jewish people are awful. But I stayed away from it after that although I do miss my friends. I tried Twitter which I enjoyed, especially for the access to the president and other political figures, and I liked being anonymous and saying what I wanted without having to worry about what my friends thought. Then they were forcing me to delete a comment to Sarah Jeong for "hateful conduct" and I was like, "Me??? You have got to be kidding!! SHE'S the hateful one." Their whole site is nothing but hate for the president and for his family. So I deleted my whole account. Having somebody else delete my comments is one thing, but FORCING me to delete my own?? Fuck 'em. So then I tried Reddit, where I was actually censored a lot less than here, until they deleted the whole sub. So here I am, drifting and bored. Spent a while at the new 8ch board and read in peace, even with all the annoying slur stuff. Came back here to read the responses. If you ignored me I WOULD go away.
theoldones ago
dont use kikebook you fucking faggot. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHIT
cats_taste_good ago
Nobody here gives a fuck what you "yearn for" faggot.
Bludgie ago
This is not your lucky day, zitbrain.
seattlethrowaway ago
u mad
Bludgie ago
Yes. Yes, I am. If I stop being mad long enough I will just go away.
ExpertShitposter ago
Why would you post personal things like death of your child to a public place like facebook? Why do you think the world cares? And when you post to a public place, you get the public response. Its like complaining about wallmart parking cameras invading your privacy when they recorded you jacking off in the "personal space" of your car. Your car glass is a window into your car, and your facebook page is a window into your personal life. The public is involved. And if the flame war was your close friends and family members.....well..you got other problems then m8.
A safe space eh? Where have i hear that before.
We did. To here. And now you followed US. You, were cheering when they banned all the hate subs, from fat people hate, all the way to most hard core nazi subs. You were happy we were banned and gone. Well....we found a new home for ourselves here. And now that you got a taste of your own medicine, you wanna not only share our temple, and repaint the walls pink. Well......fuck off, the walls are gonna be red and black.
There you go again with that safe space.....and no, you don't want a place where you can talk freely. You want a place where ONLY YOU can talk freely. How can one be so blind as to not understand that you are THE EXACT SAME person as those who now cheers on reddit about your ban from there.
You are only here because you are a reddit bitch that got GTFO'd by your own kind of jew, and a dumb ass hippie babyboomer that watched his whole life as the world turns into a jew controlled globalist shithole of a melting pot. And now you wanna save it?
Sorry grandpa, its past your bed time, and your rifle is rusty. It up to the young ones to suffer in the coming civil war your generation enabled.
MrDigging17 ago
Just want you to know that not everyone that came here is a child from the World Wars and the world has been a globalist shit hole for centuries not just for sleeping boomers. Imma go take a nap now so fuck off! :)
ExpertShitposter ago
Sure, not all, but i like to fuck with peeps a bit. Its the 50-60's when the NWO really started to kick in.
MrDigging17 ago
It was way before the 50-60's friend. The shit we dealing with today is related to the formation of the Fed and the central bank. If you haven't heard of it yet, read a great book that spells this out in an excellent way called, "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin.
watts2db ago
true but the 50s and 60s where a real cultural inflection point
the formation of the fed in 1913 and the resulting mayhem that followed over the next 37 years where the fuel
ExpertShitposter ago
Yeha i know when that went down, but i suppose people of those times could have been forgiven for not understanding the the world of taxes and finances. But the people of the 60's should have seen enough crime from blacks at that point to know better then permit opening of the floodgates to multiculturalism.
MrDigging17 ago
The cabal fomented all that at a time where they controlled all the media info formats. Back then people trusted and respected the newspaper and the news anchors. There was a lot less people with more than a highschool degree. Today most people have a post secondary degree. Not that it helps them because they've been indoctrinated from socialist professors. Critical thinking ability probably peaked in the 90s then the modern socialist agenda really took off. We are bombarded with BS today just like the boomers where back then. If your really young you just lack the perspective to see that.
ExpertShitposter ago
No, i see that. But here is the thing. ALL of my generation (i'm 33) has been bombarded with the exact same brainwashing devices. So how come some of us sought out alternative information and found it, yet others didn't?
Why is it that 100% of 33 year olds aren't fully red pilled about most things surrounding us? We were all bombarded by the same lies, and distractions, and we all had internet access to alternative information through the internet.
Why aren't we all at the same level of "woke" then? Personal responsibility. Most humans have failed. And for them, my respect is .
Most people deserve the shit that is coming trier way, for they are low IQ, and...well...fuck them.
MrDigging17 ago
So you think the rule of the land should be natural selection? Let nature decide and the strongest survive while the weak suffer or die? Not everyone who holds value in society is a warrior. Soldiers fight for everyone.
ExpertShitposter ago
Natural law will be respected or else, you will collapse. Many civilizations before ours chose the same path as we did, and they paid the price for it. There are many good books on the topic. Here is just a short video on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxpVwBzFAkw
MrDigging17 ago
One of my degrees is in Biology so I fully understand the premise. And I do get what your saying. What I'm talking about is balance. Too much give and you become a libtard, not enough give and you become a Nazi. History has proven that both extremes are equally bad for everyone.
ExpertShitposter ago
Well...had there bee no jewish invaders into Europe...Hitler would have never been necessary.
But the lesson of Nazi Germany is that government must have a cap on its power. Most of what it going on today with the deep state is due to government overreach.
MrDigging17 ago
Hitler was created by the DS. Read the Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin it explains it best.
MrDigging17 ago
It's pure laziness and self entightled attitude. By that I mean many believe somebody else will take care of it for them. Q and the Chan anons are soldiers fighting this psych war so others can go on with their day. If they fail this can quickly go kinetic.
MrDigging17 ago
But it was the height of the cold war. The propaganda started at the turn of the century, but it really heated up form all sides in the 50s to 70s. Lead to mockingbird and Mkultra. I'm just saying the people then where not much different than us they had no chance when bombarded on 5 MSM channels. Today we have thousands of channels so they own over 90% of main media. Back then there was no voat. They had total psych control.
ExpertShitposter ago
Weather they can be excused or not, they are still responsible.
Consequently tho....we....today, in the age of internet.....most certainly have 0 excuse for any kind of ignorance about any topic. Yet here we are....a third of our own kind....being absolute clueless trash.
But still, no reason not to annoy boomers.
MrDigging17 ago
Laziness got us here. We just have not been interested in politics and stopped doing our own research. Too many gave up. Now we have this new energy and we have to win or we are so screwed. This really is not a game.
ExpertShitposter ago
It is a game as long as people still believe something as simple as electing party "x" and president "y" can fix the world. Only when people realize, that:
....can there be real progress.
MrDigging17 ago
There can if we stop being divided. Sadly if you state a fact and someone even here on voat doesn't like it they might call you a kike lover and tell you to go kill yourself.
ExpertShitposter ago
I want to be divided. 800 million white people around the world is big and strong enough. We made 90% of all technological discoveries. We don't need niggers. They need us.
Bludgie ago
Blah blah blah wank blah Jew fuck off blah I'm so badass blah blah blah
Boring and pathetic. I'm going NOWHERE unless you censor me.
ExpertShitposter ago
You seem angry my boomer friend. And out of arguments too!
We won't censor you, we eint not bitch bois like you.
Bludgie ago
You've already censored me, hypocrites.
ExpertShitposter ago
How did we censor you? Because you cant make your precious q farts until you get a few upvotes?
That feature is spam protection. Without it anyone could make 100 alts in 100 minutes and make 100 shitposts to your sub in 100 minutes. Would you prefer that?
Bludgie ago
Why is spam not free speech? Why should they not have the right to say what they want as many times as they want?
ExpertShitposter ago
Don't be playing devils advocate with me boomer boi, or else i could become the devil just to prove a point.
Bludgie ago
Oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhh! More small dicked over-compensation.
Rotteuxx ago
http://www.lawpublish.com/amend1.html
Bludgie ago
You act so tough about free speech but you have to censor by downvote to protect your pathetic little echo chamber. Warriors for free speevh? Hardly. Scared, cowering little rats and roaches who can't take the sunlight of those who don't like their slurs.
sguevar ago
You seem to be talking still though just sayin'...
Bludgie ago
What sucks is stupid generalisations about a whole group of people. Even though I think you racists are hideous morons, for instance, I still will usually look at you as an individual.
IGiveZeroFucks ago
Race is a biological reality and relevant to our current demographic crisis. Niggers are dumb and violent and there's mountains of evidence to back it up.
Bludgie ago
If you want to see dumb, look in the mirror. You're a fucking mongrel like everyone else, you moron.
IGiveZeroFucks ago
Can you show me an example of one successful black nation? Or a successful predominantly black city? I'll save you some time -- you can't.
Bludgie ago
Egypt, for one thing, which the Greeks stole all the credit for nearly everything they borrowed.
IGiveZeroFucks ago
As the other poster pointed out, the ancient Egyptians were not black. DNA studies on mummies have proved this time and again. Moreover the Egyptians' own depictions of themselves show them to be lighter skinned.
Try again.
Bludgie ago
Well, that is quite interesting!
sguevar ago
Sorry to bring it to you, Egyptians were no black... There is enough evidence of that too. They weren't Caucasian either buy they certainly weren't black.
Bludgie ago
Thanks, I looked that up. It was an interesting read.
Crackrocknigga ago
You're a racist too. We are all racists. Some are just more comfortable in expressing their subconscious being and reaching a place of equilibrium away from cognitive dissonance.
ssgrader ago
Actually i am a THREE TIME GENOCIDAL RACIST.. I want ALL FLEES, TICKS, and MOSQUITOS eradicated from he planet.. Everyone is a racist yes... everyone is ALSO tribalistic.. and SKIN COLOR is not RACE but TRIBAL
Bludgie ago
I'm bigoted for sure, cause I hate you arrogant racist fuckers for sure. I hate you whatever your skin colour. A lot.
Crackrocknigga ago
And I hate you too nigger kike faggot :)
Bludgie ago
Lol! I hate you more! :)
Fenrir-1488 ago
Your descendants will live in fear, surrounded by poc that hate them for shit they never did. Outnumbered in a country that you people gave away because you were too stupid to call a spade a spade.
Bludgie ago
Hate them for shit they never did? That sounds like you racists to me.
Fenrir-1488 ago
I don’t hate anyone that hasn’t given me a reason to. Hatred isn’t my motivation at all.
Bludgie ago
Well, I do. And I don't like it. I don't want to feel that way. I've never been near a weapon in my life, except maybe when I was chopping potatoes. I agonize over all the people executed who were really innocent. All that shit. But I feel completely consumed by hate when I see someone judged, not on their character, but by the color of their skin. Or however that thing goes. I hate being judged by the color of my skin as much. It's the most ridiculous bullshit.
Hand_of_Node ago
I'm judging you by the inferior quality of your mind. I have no patience for retards.
Bludgie ago
Spoken like a true malignant narcissist. Sadly, you have an arse where your mind should be.
Hand_of_Node ago
Meh, anything you say or do is a product of a mind that's severely underpowered. And your struggle with English isn't exactly enhancing your presentation.
Bludgie ago
Really? Do tell.
Fenrir-1488 ago
For sure, I hate injustice as much as anyone, I don’t like to see anyone suffer for any reason. I don’t like that it has to be this way. I would like to live in the multicultural paradise where everyone equal and gets along fine as much as you would. It’s not possible though. That’s not reality, it’s pure fantasy.
Still, I’m not saying you shouldn’t judge individuals on an individual basis, but it’s also not unreasonable to judge a group as a group.
Race is much more than skin color. The fact of the matter is that our children would be a hell of a lot safer and happier if this country was all white, I have all the stats and studies, you can’t beat me on that. We’re also going to see the U.S. dip below 50% white for the first time in its history at some point between 2035 and 2045. This will lead to massive Balkanization and the eventual collapse of the U.S. and in this lawless war zone that’s created, it will be our children that become everyone’s favorite targets (see: South Africa and ). But at least when when they’re being murdered left and right (already happening really) you can be prideful because you stuck to your guns and were just too good of a person to be a little racist.
Bludgie ago
I'm not prideful. The fact is our white children are being endangered by racism like their black children are. So how about just fight against racism, which is the ACTUAL problem?
Fenrir-1488 ago
You’re fantasizing again. You’d be sacrificing our future for a fucking fairytale.
Whites are the only people who have ever put not being racist ahead of our collective interests. The other races don’t give a fuck about racism except when they can use it as a weapon against us. They’re not going to adopt white western values just because people like you think it would be the right thing for them to do.
Bludgie ago
I don't care about the ropes. The fact that you can meet a black person and instantly assume you're somehow less violent, smarter or superior in any other way--just based on race--is self-evidently stupid. And a person must feel pretty inferior to care so much about him, and others that LOOK like him, being "superior." There is just nothing about a supremacist ideology I respect. You could beat me bloody on your "ropes" and I'd still see you and your ideology the same way.
Fenrir-1488 ago
Complete straw man, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not a supremacist first of all, my beliefs would be completely identical if I thought we inferior to everyone else in every way.
Secondly, I don’t meet a black person and assume anything about their intelligence or violent tendencies until they demonstrate either.
I do however know for a fact (the stats don’t lie) that if you get a group of 100 random black people and 100 random white people, the white people will be about 30% as violent and have an average IQ around 15 points higher (in the U.S. (the gap is wider elsewhere)).
I’ll reiterate that race is more than skin color or looks. The science is with me on this.
Bludgie ago
Still laughing at "stats don't lie." I appreciate your other points, though.
Fenrir-1488 ago
So you don’t have an argument?
Bludgie ago
Where do the statistics begin? Like, 100 years ago, were black people in this country more violent?
Fenrir-1488 ago
I haven’t seen any that go back more than 50 years. Detailed crime statistics would likely be hard to find as you move away from the existence of computers.
My guess would be that it was a bit in lower in general since they wouldn’t have had as many issues with gangs at the time. Most of their communities would’ve also been a lot smaller and more closely knit.
Anecdotally, I know that Harlem NY wouldn’t have been considered a very safe place to be 100 years ago.
Bludgie ago
Crime also depends on how you label it. Murders of people don't tend to be counted when others consider them less than human, or deserving of less rights.
Fenrir-1488 ago
Are you suggesting we’re just ignoring white people’s crimes these days?
Bludgie ago
Nope.
Bludgie ago
I am happy to take you at your word about your position. As far as taking your word about "the science," no. Even if it is an accepted theory at the time, it probably won't be in 20 years. Mostly, it doesn't accord with my experiences of people. I didn't even think about being white till I came to America. The place is obsessed with it. Also, you act like IQ tests should be taken seriously. If I used my results as evidence of intelligence I'd be laughed off this site even more than I already am.
Fenrir-1488 ago
We’re obsessed with it because we were the first victims of this failed multiculturalism experiment. Outside of the Balkans, Europeans would not have had nearly as much exposure to other races until somewhat recently.
I’ll grant that IQ can be somewhat flawed when it comes to individuals but it works well for groups. For example there is a strong correlation with IQ and how successful people are, but there will be outliers. Criminality also correlates with it, spiking around 85 points.
I don’t even know how you could argue that race is only skin deep. It’s not a coincidence that strong man competitions are dominated by white people while sprinting competitions are dominated by black people. We know this is because the ratio of fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fibers vary across racial lines. We also know that black people have denser bones or that Most East Asians have a gene that works to prevent fat from accumulating and another one. We also know that intelligence is somewhere between 50-90% genetic depending on which study you want to use. We know that race is essentially a pool of commonly shared genes within a group.
Bludgie ago
That's not what I've seen. I've read that people can have more in common genetically with a person of another race than with someone else of their own. I'm sure the issue of whether race even exists is highly disputed rather than settled science. So what "race" is a "biracial" person?
Fenrir-1488 ago
I could see how it would technically be possible but it would be incredibly rare.
What breed is a half husky-half lab? Clearly dog breeds must not exist if it’s possible for the line to get blurry.
Bludgie ago
Those aren't "races."
Fenrir-1488 ago
There isn’t much of a difference in terms of biology. The difference is the one between natural and artificial selection. Pugs and wolves are more than 99.9% genetically identical.
Bludgie ago
I don't know of any "race" that has been artificially selected.
Fenrir-1488 ago
Well no. I didn’t say they were. Abstractions and pedantry about words like race, breed, and even species are unimportant and arbitrary. Again, in biological terms, there isn’t much of a difference.
For there to be no significant differences, evolution would have to have paused almost completely for everything but skin color for 40,000-50,000 years while different populations lived in radically different environments under radically different climate conditions (ice age).
While ‘normal’, your stance seems completely absurd from the outside.
ExpertShitposter ago
Nazis feel the same way. If an individual jew was willing to reveal other jews in hiding, hew was given the title of "honorary jew" and put to work for gestapo.
sguevar ago
It is been a while since I lurked there, but I had my good share of things from there.