Until the employment of citizens is at 100% there should be no h-1b employees. I am very qualified for many tech jobs, but with some it is impossible to get even an interview; that should not be the case.
Look around at any place that lives off of government grants, and look at the make-up of who gets that money. In stem related fields i would say that it is well under 50% citizens, and under 20% white citizens. Just walk around in a research facility at UCLA or any major research university; the faculty are not american, the researchers are not american, BUT it is all funded by america.
Well...no. But I understand the sentiment. What if you needed 100 people to work in your specific industry but there's only 80 in the US. There's no way to meet 100% employment and cover all business needs.
And before you rage reply about how the system is abused to hire foreigners for cheap, I know. But 100% employment has little to do with what visas were intended for.
so what is the reason there were only 80? could 20 more be trained? are there 20 american students studying a related field that you could convince to learn the required material in exchange for jobs when they were done?
We both know the answers to these questions; if the h-1bs dried up the companies would go back to how they were and they would have plenty of employees.
Well no, you can't just train anyone to do anything. And you can't always wait for graduates either. Not to mention that they may not even want to work for your company. Your view of the world doesn't exist.
i didn't say "train anyone to do anything". For example, could a chemistry PhD do the work of a chemical engineer with a little bit of on the job training? Could a math PhD who spent 8 years coding for their work transition to programming for a company?
There is only one job that i know of that is so specialized that very few people can do it, and few can be trained, and that is the splicing and insulating by hand of high voltage cables. There are seriously like a handful of guys (i can actually say guys here because it is 100%) in the world who can do it, and they are flown all over for it. It would be a great use for an H-1B
If you name a common H-1B job i bet i could name an underemployed group of people who could be trained for it quickly.
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peacegnome ago
Until the employment of citizens is at 100% there should be no h-1b employees. I am very qualified for many tech jobs, but with some it is impossible to get even an interview; that should not be the case.
Look around at any place that lives off of government grants, and look at the make-up of who gets that money. In stem related fields i would say that it is well under 50% citizens, and under 20% white citizens. Just walk around in a research facility at UCLA or any major research university; the faculty are not american, the researchers are not american, BUT it is all funded by america.
piratse ago
Well...no. But I understand the sentiment. What if you needed 100 people to work in your specific industry but there's only 80 in the US. There's no way to meet 100% employment and cover all business needs.
And before you rage reply about how the system is abused to hire foreigners for cheap, I know. But 100% employment has little to do with what visas were intended for.
peacegnome ago
so what is the reason there were only 80? could 20 more be trained? are there 20 american students studying a related field that you could convince to learn the required material in exchange for jobs when they were done?
We both know the answers to these questions; if the h-1bs dried up the companies would go back to how they were and they would have plenty of employees.
piratse ago
Well no, you can't just train anyone to do anything. And you can't always wait for graduates either. Not to mention that they may not even want to work for your company. Your view of the world doesn't exist.
peacegnome ago
i didn't say "train anyone to do anything". For example, could a chemistry PhD do the work of a chemical engineer with a little bit of on the job training? Could a math PhD who spent 8 years coding for their work transition to programming for a company?
There is only one job that i know of that is so specialized that very few people can do it, and few can be trained, and that is the splicing and insulating by hand of high voltage cables. There are seriously like a handful of guys (i can actually say guys here because it is 100%) in the world who can do it, and they are flown all over for it. It would be a great use for an H-1B
If you name a common H-1B job i bet i could name an underemployed group of people who could be trained for it quickly.
M346 ago
Yeah that's true, why do some jobs "need" a degree.