(@puttitout
It would be really cool if you'd sticky this on the front page!)
Lots of posts asking, "Where do we go now?".
Free speech on the darpanet is an oxymoron. It's like meeting your crack dealer at the local dtug store counter to do the deal. Ideally, we'd all go out into meatspace and interact with our communities like normal humans, but for many, mostly due to the dysevolutionary, crippling, and disconnecting effects of civilization/domestication, meatspace interaction just isn't an option.
I've posted this before, but no one was interested because they can't watch porn, or distract themselves with zog propaganda movies or games over a network like this, but recent events seem to be straightening out people's priorities, so I thought I'd give it one more try.
These are the steps necessary to create an antifragile, decentralized, autonomous, anonymous, encrypted, text only, public communications network:
Create your own local p2p meshnet using scrap routers and the modified open source routing software of your choice.
Create a social media like site, but text only, to conserve bandwidth and storage, and prevent abuse, that allows access to the meshnet.
Require a small Monero bond to open an account.
Use a community rating system like voat's to curate posts, but when a post gets a certain number of down votes, or is reported as spam/scam, send it to a pool of moderators that are randomly chosen from a list of members that are in good standing.
Incentivize participation in the moderator pools with a portion of the bonds that get forfeited when people are banned.
Track it all on a blockchain, with full disclosure of source code, financial transfers, and moderator actions, which the community can also vote on, potentially resulting in moderating of moderators, ad infinitum.
Use the remainder of the forfeited bonds to incentivize network growth, including long range repeaters, drone repeaters, vibration/wind/solar powered repeaters magnetically attached to unknowing route delivery vehicles, public transit, and utility poles, and physical sneakernet participants.
I'm not going to make it, because I hate being in front of screens and am going offline nearly full time soon, but I really hope someone else runs with the idea.
I'll recognize it when I see it, and might come back out to play.
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GoodGodKirk ago
You’ve just described brave browser. LoL.
KeepVoatAfloat ago
I want this, I want you to do it, I vote for you. I will support it generously if you make it work. I am not a network/coding fella, I make the tanks.
toggafreggin ago
I can make the tools that make the tanks. I can't code anymore. Hit my head too many times, eyes hurt, head hurts.
KeepVoatAfloat ago
Well, we need those tools too, but you are obviously called to a higher order. I am broken as well, in many ways, but I still stand up for what is right, every day.
KeepVoatAfloat ago
Fuck, voat is behaving like shit already. Comments are being shadow-moderated.
KeepVoatAfloat ago
Well, we need those tools too, but you are obviously called to a higher order than I. I am broken as well, in many ways, but I still stand for what is right, every day.
Neverendingpissstory ago
Just hate us cause they anus.
ns300n ago
... like the screen life
I immediately thought of the command line tool b/c I'm using it right now. haha
toggafreggin ago
I wish things were still command line centric. The new languages and programs just aren't intuitive to me. I'm great at fortran, and was drawing 3d views in autocad 8, but can barely stumble through ide and stuggle hard to draw a damn thing in freecad. I think my brain broke.
reason247 ago
I live in the sticks so no one except some random passer-by would be able to do this.
toggafreggin ago
Sounds like you'd have to plant some repeaters along the way to town.
reason247 ago
Exactly
captainstrange ago
I'm willing to write the front end. Maybe the backend too.
toggafreggin ago
That would be awesome! If you do, maybe name it goatnet so people that are interested can find it and help build it.
generate ago
Why not just blockchain based reddit clone? https://ryanxcharlestimes.com/fix-reddit-with-bitcoin-7da3f85fb9ba
And using this opportunity to call Justin Chastain @puttitout a faggot and a traitor
toggafreggin ago
Pointless without a secure and decentralized network.
generate ago
but it can attach itself to one, let's say store hashes of posts and comments inside Eth blockchain. You mean of someone spins a million VMs they can hijack the consensus and create a version without certain posts? I mean it can be totally inside btc/eth blockchain but this will be expensive, but what if it attaches via hashes only?
toggafreggin ago
I do big concepts, organizational stuff, and hardware well. Software just sends my mind to a bad place these days. There are people out there that are much more suited to working with that aspect of it than I am.
observation1 ago
some nerds have been doing this. Look up your local hackerspace
toggafreggin ago
No one's done it right. It's like a bunch of model rocket clubs, building barely useful toys, instead of collaborating to build a diy starship.
I tried to start a hackerspace here for eleven years. Every attempt ended up getting monkeywrenched by market mindset.
observation1 ago
Damn. You nailed it on the model rocket club with no collab. Even when funding was offered. Apart of the problem is underlying philosophy. One guy just wanted to mine coins. One guy 3d print. Another who had the mesh AP but nobody to connect it to. At the end of the day everyone had a job to tend to and it was a cool hangout
061916 ago
Do you have a YouTube Series to recommend on how to start sie thing like this? I can build things with my hands but I have no real clue about computer stuff other than some basic HTML etc. I don't even know what a meshnet is.
toggafreggin ago
The hardware is easy. The code should be relatively easy too because all of the different subsystems necessary to implement it have been covered by different open source software projects. Something like batman for routing, diaspora for the social media, monero for the currency, steemit or ethereum, maybe bitshares for blockchain stuff...
If you search meshnet, there's all kinds of info, but as can be expected, correlating all of the info into one usable thing is like herding cats.
Some search terms:
b.a.t.m.a.n
netsukuku
project hyperboria
firechat
occupy here
shit...I'm forgetting a shitload of them and can't find my list... will try to post more later, but I have tires to mount and a trailer that ain't gonna build itself.
061916 ago
OK, I'll look into it thanks.
mikenigger ago
I know what you're talking about, but it's gonna exclude otherwise valuable people, even I wouldn't bother with that shit
toggafreggin ago
It will only exclude people that don't know about it, those who aren't smart or motivated enough to implement it, or people that abuse the network.
It seems like you're willing to bother with it just enough to discredit it.
mikenigger ago
Voat can sway a lot of opinions as a normal website you can visit with a browser, it isn't just about active users.
toggafreggin ago
"Active users" should be spreading what they learn on normie platforms.
mikenigger ago
I never got that impression here, if you think that way (totally reasonable) then you should create a sub dedicated to that.
toggafreggin ago
The op is just a parting gift to those that still have faith in the power of screens. Very soon, mine will be turning off, likely for months at a time, if not forever.
toggafreggin ago
I'm putting the finishing touches on my killdozer and heading for the hills. Anyone that hasn't got the message by now is already dead to me.
carnold03 ago
Hmm... a local p2p meshnet... Interesting.
Tsilent_Tsunami ago
If I ever make it to southern AZ, I'm going to go way out into the hills and shout your name. Otherwise might see you over on https://poal.co/u/ItsOkToBeTsilent
toggafreggin ago
I'm closer to the middle. Smoke signals would probably work better, even better if you can make them in the shape of a goat's head!
Xantha ago
This is interesting, but I believe that this just highlights the real problem even further: The system itself is so irrepairably broken and corrupt that this kind of solution becomes necessary.
I'm an engineer (industrial) IRL and at my job we meme 'simplicity means success' (especially when shit goes wrong lol) because of how many projects have failed because they were technically feasible, but just required too much rigamarole/complexity/input to make them work in the long run. Too many rube goldberg machine projects.
The system needs to be burnt to the ground and started from scratch. These meshnet systems will turn into infinite wack-a-mole with authorities until we're dead or they're dead.
TheSecretShakespeare ago
Yes, Occams's Razor...
"Nature does not employ two things where one is sufficient."
But one must create constant 'complexity' to deceive, so as not to be seen as an obvious deceiver.
"They muddy the waters to make it seem deep."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
Ken_bingo2 ago
I have no idea what the fuck he is talking about. I do know that what you are saying is true. I also you don't know the likely/realistic/possible path from here to burned to the ground. So it is conceivable that this meshnet thing is part of that path.
ThePoliceTookMyGuns ago
Meshnets are essentially wireless routers connected to one another forming a network.
Xantha ago
I'm not saying don't do it or that it's not worthwhile in the long run. Just don't expect too much from it. Voat has had discussion about meshnets for years and nothing has ever materialized. IIRC the only (or one of them) working example of one is some random rural town in Spain and that's about it. I would expect government kikes to make it illegal everywhere if it actually gained traction anywhere.
offender ago
The main problem is getting people to participate.
RiverWind ago
A distributed meshnet is a nice idea, with hopefully distributed appliactions running on it. A software distributed net platform alternative to Voat is Aether:
https://getaether.net
There is a thread on Aether here:
https://voat.co/v/whatever/4170305
Goats are already arriving and the fun has just begun!
toggafreggin ago
I think that if people saw an open wifi connection, connected, and got a splash page with easy instructions on how to join, it would take off pretty quick, for the people that matter at least. I know I'd put down $10 to get access to a decentralized network. The internet going down or getting worse will encourage curiosity about alternatives too.
A big part of the idea was to eventually link it with a crypto$, with demurrage, reputation based transaction limits, and other speculation abuse prevention measures, that people can only earn by putting goods or services into the network, and can only use within the network, so it would also provide an alternate currency, market, and means of "income".
Originalvoathead ago
This is genius
toggafreggin ago
Woohoo! I guess it's not shadowbanned this time. Call me flabbergasted.
If you're inspired, run with it if you can code, post it everywhere, claim it as your own, whatever. I give no fucks who makes it, or makes billions off of it, because humanity needs it, asap.
I put bitcoin out there just like this, as a gift to the world. I just chatted about the core ideas with people that I knew could pull it off, it manifested, and so much has grown out of it. I promise this network structure has the same potential!
I have a new whitepaper done for a crypto$ that unfucks what they fucked up in bitcoin, but am waiting for the right moment to get it out there. I probably won't release it until we have a truly decentralized and free comm platform. I really don't believe in currency anymore, but see the need for a transitional step away from credit/debit/speculation.