GO TO THIS POST FOR AN UPDATE OF THIS THREAD AND TOPICS - https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/2033192
Hello One and All-
Recently I have been told that if enough people were interested in rules and subverse changes, we could get it stickied on the main page to bring the ideas to the community. If we can get the community to ask for change, we are supposed to get that on our forum - that's how it is said that voat operates.
I said I woud post something and see if I could raise support for some changes. At first I wanted to propose that we alllow "rule change" and site suggestion posts on the main page, but I don't think that's such a great idea after all. Vindicator gave the current rules change process, which I am trying out right now with this message on PGwhatever, and I agree that such a rule change could mean a lot of garbage posts to the main page by shills. Also, for the record, I think main page posts should show a link to pizzagate or pedogate, and have never seen a problem with a rule that keeps posts topical and relevant - it is how the rule is implemented that seems to cause the problems but that topic is not my specialty, and enough said on it for now.
INSTEAD of specific rule changes, I am pinging a large group of commenters and lurkers to propose TWO FORUM CHANGES:
1. On the main page sidebar it states - "Minimum CCP required to downvote in this sub: 0" I want to return to 100 CCP points (comment points) required before a new account can MAKE SUBMISSIONS OR DOWNVOAT. (I had it as COMMENT too but I am retracting that as a mistake. I remember not being able to comment for lack of points, when the original mods ran a shill brigade, hence the confusion.) The forum started with this policy, most of us went through it with little problem, and it provides a thin membrane of protection for the sub from new account shills which are our worst problem. This CCP requirement was removed without notification months ago, and it does this forum no favors in the shill department. I want to see the 100 point requirement reinstated.
2. Vindicator would be willing to assume one Ownership slot of this subverse if there was community support. I am in support of this idea, here's why -
a. Overall it would be better to have an active owner who at least demonstrates interest in the subverse than a totally absent owner that does not have one shred of interest here and hasn't for many months - KingKongWasWrong. KKWW does not interact with this subforum in any manner and has not done anything for this place whatsoever since start up, but retains ownership. This should change.
b. I have had bitter differences with Vindicator over how the anti-protest sticky was handled "back in the day". Nevertheless sublife goes on, and this is a person who does a lot of drudge work on a daily basis to maintain the pizzagate subverse, and who understands its unique nature and needs very well. Also in general Vindicator makes reason based decisions and is generally a responsive mod when it comes to questions and concerns of our community. I'd like to see if a change of ownership from KKWW to a mod we at least know and can interact with.
c. Let's try something, anything different. We literally have nothing to lose.
So to be clear, in this discussion
1) I'd like to get your support for the above two ideas - please indicate if you can support.
2) If you have a rules change idea that is responsible and well thought through, make your case for that as well in your comment - this will be addressed in the future if this process proves to work, so please comment on the CCP and Ownership issues too. Gallows humor is also always welcome.
3) Pass this link to others by pinging them to come here, private message and in comments. I am not very social so gathering a consensus is not my strength, but I'm giving it a shot by pinging anyone and everyone I can think of, including lurkers, friends, frenemies, strangers, etc, and seeing what happens. -VB💎
edit - if you've been pinged more than once sorry, it is a clunky process
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13Buddha ago
Agree, @VieBlue, with all that you said and your choice of Vindicator. Would like to see this sub evolve and become more credible.
I am relatively new to pizzagate whatever, normally posting to pizzagate until I was banned by Millennial Falcon (MF) 4 days ago for spam after being a loyal member and poster for 6 months. I feel the need to explain my story to somebody, and I am sure this isn't the right place, but after 4 separate and detailed private messages pleading my case to pizzagate mods since banned, I have heard nothing and feel puzzled, confused, and not sure what to think about anything related to the pizzagate sub.
"Not over it," for 2 reasons, the 1st one being completely innocent as to the meaning of spam as it relates to pizzagate. A mod explained after I was banned that it meant I reposted after MF deleted my post. MF's reason was Rule #1, speculation, providing 1 short sentence to back it up. I immediately delved into new research, knowing that my prior post, even with my input and 4 credible links, had to be strengthened to suit MF's claim. I reposted with 3 additional links along with additional input and further explanation to disavow the "speculation" theory. I worked hard on this post and believed in it 100%. After reposting, MF sent me the message that I was banned from pizzagate with a ":("
My defense plea is that it was not a repost of the initial post and questioned as to whether or not MF even read the repost that contained a lot more additional info. To date, I have heard nothing, nada. If the mods still want me banned, so be it. I'll immediately be over it, but for that to occur, it is only fair and just that I receive a response to my plea.
Anyway, I posted the exact same article 2 days ago on this sub that remains under "Hot," the post discusses puberty blocker hormones, a topic that bears watching, and the possibility and potential of it benefitting pedophiles, sex trafficking, and the fact that it has been labeled as child abuse by pediatricians.
VieBleu ago
I agree on so many accounts.
I posted an article about how a study of teachers in australia showed that 40% of them were reporting strange highly sexualized behavior in young children and that they were confused about whether it was because of abuse or the internet. THAT was taken down.
You are supposed to be able to resubmit and we specifically called for a definition of Spam, as 2impendingdoom, also a regular, was banned by MF. But there is not definition of Spam here. It has been asked for. SO FAR, OUR COMMUNITY VOTE HAS BEEN IGNORED. In case you didn't know, DarkMath was also banned. both of them have been reinstated
I am not so keen unfortunately on Vindicator now, as they have completely ignored this community call for change, especially the CCP points. It was supposed to be made into a sticky but never has been, never has been addressed, neither have the other things asked for so far.
Instead of spending time here, or on pizzagatewhatever or any new sub here, i think people should spend their time scouting for a new home on another forum for us. This is not the supposed free speech forum on the internet, there are others. It is not free here anyway. I'm inclined more than ever to see this place as a honeytrap that is not worth any investment in.
Keep us posted Buddha13, thanks for your comment, it is totally appropriate, as is anything else you want to say. Thanks for your dedication and your work these last months. lets all hope we can find each other somewhere more hospitable to truth and justtice.
13Buddha ago
I so appreciate your info and support. Every time I posted on pizzagate, there was trepidation, not from the replies of Voaters I may receive as we all know many can be shocking, but trepdation from mods, particularly MF, and a feeling that can best be descibed as paranoia. It sounds ridiculous, but I always had this uneasy feeling after posting. It's as though the pizzagate mods take the part of Jekyll and Hyde, never knowing what to expect.
I remain optimistic, not for reinstatement to pizzagate, as my mind and heart are convincing me more and more that something is definitely askew.
Please keep us posted @VieBlue, regarding a new/different forum. In the meantime, we will continue to fight the good fight. Peace.