I'm wondering if any changes should be to remove rule 1, since determining relevance could be considered subjective, and within the realm of what should be voted on by the users. The users that now have the ccp to downvote much of the spammy stuff.
I think the "that is not common knowledge of rule 2 could be removed. Sorry, every factual claim needs a source.
How difficult is it to do something like this:
First post of user X
The holocaust didn't happen. This link shows internal inconsistency and is backed up by this more in-depth link showing massive external inconsistency. The second link shows fully two thirds of the claim false, and an entire supposed "death camp" to have its nature completely fabricated, which should be enough for anyone to conclude that the rest is probably also a lie.
Second post of user X
Looking further, it seems that Jews lie a lot. This(link to first post) post shows that two thirds of the Holocaust was a lie, and here is where they lied about another 900,000 of the claimed amount.
First post of user Y
It looks like Jews have some kind of anti-white agenda. This link shows them pretending to be white, and saying disparaging things about whites in the same tweet, then admitting they're actually Jewish. I was under the impression that Jews were white like us, but maybe they don't think that way?
First post of user Z
HOLY SHIT, BREAKING NEWS - check out this link where all kinds of shady shit done by Jews is brought to light! With the Holocaust(link to second post of user X) being almost completely debunked as a hoax, and the anti-white agenda being shown here(link to First post of user Y), this really looks like a pattern!
How fucking difficult is that?
And then if something in that nest of links is WRONG, then someone could very easily call it out. The original user could edit it, or someone could make a new source link that everyone uses for that line of investigation.
Am I just some kind of oddball that thinks doing the above should be standard operating procedure? Hell, I'm pretty sure that was more or less what was supposed to happen from the beginning, but maybe I was mistaken.
Anywho, as usual, it's up to the users, but the above seemed worth banging out on the keyboard for all to see.
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Mickgoestojail ago
There's no reason to have this set at 10 other than to allow some to vote and others not. Set it at 10000 so noone can downvote or use the other setting that lets you exclude a sub from v/all without limiting voting.
argosciv ago
Plot Twist:
If you don't like what someone says here, don't upvoat them, simple - it works just as well for determining which comments are being praised by readers who don't reply with their thoughts.
Disappointed ago
The point is someone has been downvoting in prior threads and now since the voat admins changed things no one else can downvote either. So lets eliminate the possibility of anyone downvoting and its fair.
argosciv ago
Interesting...
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
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Disappointed ago
Here's an example. https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/2394295/11912553
This is about the v/pizzagatemods sub not v/pizzagate. If you raised to to 900 or 10k like MgtJ said then no one can do that.
argosciv ago
What am I looking for there?
Yes I see that, hence the fleeting thought to trial it over in pg.
Disappointed ago
That someone/s was able to get 10 ccp before the restriction was put in, so they can downvote. That means effectively they have two votes that allow them to shove down things they don't like and vote up things they don't. If votes don't matter in this sub and it isn't being done for shady reasons then there is no reason for not changing it. I get it could be a reflex action of someone as well.
argosciv ago
Umm, people DO get downvoated in here. The mods can downvoat but they do it VERY sparingly from what I can tell(okay, fine, it's an assumption). I've copped a couple, but, if the rest of us had the usual voating power here, this sub ceases to be a place for moderated and rational discussion.
In fact, https://voat.co/v/pizzagatemods/modlog/submission
I have never seen such restraint from moderators of anything... look at the shite they leave up - they're not abusing their downvoats/power, if they wanted to do that, why not just remove even the "X is a pedo enabler mod" submissions?
Disappointed ago
I'm not advocating the rest of us get downvote power, I'm advocating that no one does. What can be fairer than that?
JusticeforAaron ago
If you think this place is legit and fair, you are naive. It's becoming very clear to me what's going on here.
Disappointed ago
I like to give people a chance before I write them off. It's a simple fix to change it and not changing it will make things very clear, for me at least.
I've already removed myself as mod of v/protectvoat because I think this whole drama is hypocritical. How can we hold others on voat to minimal moderation standards if we are arguing the fine print here and preventing what could be decent submissions from being posted? I've spent a fair time reading through the deleted submissions here and I'm not happy at all with the anal reasons given on lot of them. I'm pretty surprised by this even if you might not be. I've thought very highly of the people I've modded PV with and defend them everywhere. Don't think either I'm willing to engage with you in shitting on them now either though. I'll wait and hope they prove me wrong.
dragonkiller ago
I can tell that you are serious, smart, and trying to help, but don't be surprised when they disappoint. Disappointment and making unfair decisions is their primary track record.
Disappointed ago
Sometimes good people can get caught up in things over time. It's never easy to take a balanced look from outside when you are under fire. I have faith in them until they prove to me that my faith has been misplaced. I'll see this through though until I think whats being done is fair.
dragonkiller ago
Good luck bro :) You gonna need it :)
JusticeforAaron ago
I don't expect anything from you and I don't expect you to do anything but think it out for yourself. You have no idea the time and energy I had invested in this. You likely wouldn't care but I gave up everything to support this. If I was to count my labor, it would likely be at least $100,000 worth of time, at least. I've been involved a long time here and elsewhere.
Disappointed ago
I get you. I modded that sub for well over two years and fought long battles and a lot of time to keep power mods from shitting on users. It wasn't an easy thing. I'll wait and see what happens here.