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Piscina ago

The names Jan has chosen are interesting: 'Gnosticmedia' and 'LogosMedia'. 'Logos' is a favourite word used by gnostics. Gnostics believe that God, the one who made the universe, is not a benevolent being and that Yahweh, the demiurge, created the physical world. Yahweh wants to keep us captive and ignorant, slavishly following him. He cares not that humans suffer. But Lucifer, the lightbearer, seeks to liberate us by waking us up to knowledge so that we can take our rightful place next to God. http://www.theforbiddenreligion.com/lucifer-the-liberator.htm

This explains how the lucifer of freemasonry is the embodiment of reason and reason. Luciferians, like the Templar Knights, despise Jesus and believe John the Baptist was the redeemer and Jesus the usurper. Sounds like Jan might be a luciferian.

ASolo ago

Right. Well I do believe that Yawn and crew struggled with that idea and thus the name change. I'm pretty sure, like most of us, Yawn has had an evolution and this name change to Logos media is supposed to reflect that. However, Yawn has relapsed into paranoia and delusion and has gone on a scorched earth policy where everyone he ever worked with is a spook, so I have sarcastically reverted him back to a gnostic. In all reality though he has addressed this issue and has tried to correct it but the scar, and the legacy he was trying to create, has hit some very bumpy roads because of his caustic personality traits.

NOMOCHOMO ago

Turn down your damn microphone!!

Jan's pride is his worst trait. He's made the mistake of feeling empowered by his own intellect.

ASolo ago

Jan's pride is his worst trait. He's made the mistake of feeling empowered by his own intellect.

Ahh, good and concise sentence.

ASolo ago

I do not believe he is a luciferian in any way. I do believe he can and is a good person with a decent heart who is, so to say for the time being, a little caught up in his own aura. I do believe things will even out for him and he can get back on track with his research but his current tact has lead him astray.

SandHog ago

Source of those chat logs?

auralsects ago

This guy Nick Folger was on Alefantis Facebook friends list and volunteered with Haitian orphans

Of 70 followers, ones bio says

I once met Joe Biden at an ice cream shop. No, this is not a lead-in to a “creepy old Joe Biden” joke. Yes, he was kind of creepy in an old-man way.

Another he follows says: "Passions: family, friends, pizza"

https://medium.com/@nickfolger/following

think- ago

it seems as though he has kept quite a little secret from us for over TWO YEARS.

Sorry, but I don't get it - what do you mean by 'little secret'? Did they have an affair or something? Because the screenshots show him only talking about flirting a bit.

?

ASolo ago

The 'little secret' is the entire interaction, including the pertinent information that might have lead us to believe that there is and was definitely much more to the entire episode.

Although I am unaware of any other interactions physical or orally speculation can and could remain up in the air as to how far he pursued the relationship.

Although I do employ a bit of poetic license implying something deeper one can surmise as I did on this line of thinking,Yawn believes he's a real Playboy when he thinks he has a chance.

think- ago

Yawn believes he's a real Playboy when he thinks he has a chance.

Well, obviously, lol.

think- ago

Interesting as well that she states that "they" are keeping track of every discovery on Pizzagate.

Of course they do.

think- ago

You mean a Folger of the Folger family was a grandfather of Benjamin Franklin....?!

ASolo ago

You got it.

ASolo ago

Let's go over some of the more pertinent and important bullet points to this withheld bit of information from the alleged "Truther" Yawn Irving that may have been a benefit to us all, but oddly enough, he quit.

  • Nora said she would try to get an interview with her Daddy obviously Dr. Michael Maccoby
  • She claims her Dad is not dirty (so who is she implying is?)
  • She claims that her family was set up (set up with what, how, because they have always been peripherally involved?)
  • The're keeping track of every discovery on Pizzagate.
  • Publicly Nora said Pizzagate was a psyop. Privately she said that it was most likely... True.
  • Nora is into Pot, Fromm, NeuroLinguisticProgramming NVP but yields it in "Love" (NXIVM anyone?)

At least she's "Cool as Hel" huh Yawn!?!

ASolo ago

A Real Pizzagate Connection?

If there was one event that seems to have marked a turning point in Jan’s life, and a dramatic shift in his behavior and treatment of those around him who thought of themselves as his friends, it would have to be his involvement with someone from an infamous CIA family. Nora Maccoby made a video about “growing up in a CIA family”. Her Dad is James Alefantis’ lawyer. She seems to have reached out to Jan and tried to engage with him around the time he started turning on everyone.

Further bizarre connections to this family come from Stephen Biss, who happens to be the lawyer for Defango, Robert David Steele, and Timothy Holmseth. Biss’s wife has been giving large superchat donations to truther channels under the name Ahme, trying to “correct the record” about the Maccoby’s Friends of the Orphans charity not being the same one that Haitian child trafficker Laura Silsby and her lawyer were connected to.

https://burners.me/2019/02/26/debunking-jan-irvin/

think- ago

Stephen Biss, who happens to be the lawyer for Defango, Robert David Steele, and Timothy Holmseth

Defango, Robert David Steele, and Timothy Holmseth have the same attorney?! raises eyebrow

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srayzie ago

They do? I don’t trust Defango or Robert David Steele at all. But, I do trust Timothy Holmseth. I’m surprised.

think- ago

But, I do trust Timothy Holmseth. I’m surprised.

I think that he probably tells the truth. Although my spider senses sense something fishy about him. But then, you can be a bit creepy, and telling the truth.

@SandHog

SandHog ago

Hmm, I'm vaguely familiar with Holmseth and he didn't send up any immediate flags to me but I never really dug into any of it. DeFango and Steele are both full of shit imo. The lawyer thing is a little weird if it's true. Anyone know where all three of these guys live? I think Holmseth is in Minnesota or maybe Wisconson. I'm not sure which.

I'm pretty much to the point where I don't trust what any of these people have to say about each other.

think- ago

Hmm, I'm vaguely familiar with Holmseth and he didn't send up any immediate flags to me

It's nothing what he said. It's just I got a creepy feeling from him.

SandHog ago

Ah, I gotcha. I don't even remember any of the specifics he talked about. Pretty sure I encountered him pre-pizzagate. I saw he went or was going to jail for a while here recently but I've been too occupied with other stuff to take the time to refresh my memory. I know he'd been battling legal stuff for quite some time.

think- ago

I know he'd been battling legal stuff for quite some time.

Yes. Do you maybe remember whether he was accused of dometic violence? I vaguely seem to remember that. If true, it could be 1) a legit claim or 2) be an attempt to harass him.

SandHog ago

I don't remember exactly. It seems like he was getting messed with when I first came across his website several years ago and I never kept up with what was going on. It had something to do with Haleigh Cummings' disappearance. IIRC the cops were fucking with him even back then. A couple weeks back someone posted a question in v/whatever about a boys reform school in Florida with a bunch of graves and I mistakenly thought that was what Holmseth was involved with so I started searching stuff with his name. That's where I saw he was going to court or maybe it was sentencing. I didn't really pay much attention because that wasn't what I was looking for at the time. I just thought to myself, 'Huh, they are still fucking with this guy?'

ASolo ago

Doesn't it!?! (raise eyebrows)

think- ago

I'd say it is....well...surprising....

...what's your take on Timothy Holmseth then?

ASolo ago

Truthfully I have only perused the situation from a distance, even with this new information I am unqualified to comment.

ASolo ago

You see, Jan Irving is such a schizophrenic narcissist he doesn't realize that he is suffering from the effects of long term psychedelic drug abuse and and the anger issues and struggles that arise from that abuse are becoming apparent.

As you can see he thinks he is quite a ladies man and as the hippy he is obviously doesn't hesitate to consider the pussy first when he says "she tried the typical spin- but then I flirted with her and she settled down" (Oh what a ladykiller Yawn, they "settle right down" for you huh?)) but then you notice how easily he fell into Nora Maccoby's soft sell because she smokes pot. Notice how Irving thinks she's "really cool" and "It's hard to imagine that this chick is dirty... even if she's a duped liberal, she's still cool"

Quite the ladies man aren't you Yawn!?! Well it looks like you also have a record of being creepy to women with that stunt you pulled on Holly Seeliger, marrying her and then PUBLICLY castigating her for not disclosing a personal history that was not hidden to begin with and then divorcing her expediently enough.

Jan’s “Slut Shaming” of Holly Before Dumping Her

https://burners.me/2019/02/26/debunking-jan-irvin/

It's not difficult to see the issues that you suffer from that you seem oblivious to yourself. This is why you have friends around you that can pull you back from this behavior but since you have alienated everyone in your periphery and control the narrative on your Youtube account noone can tell you anything or you will delete it. As Steve Outrim said you do not even follow the rules of your precious Trivium and you are resembling more of a cult atmosphere than any research conglomerate I've ever known.

This brother needs to take a step back and reassess where he is going with his research because as it stands now he is in a deep and fast sinking hole.

ASolo ago

Interestingly enough, this discussion has arisen from the tumultuous and exhausting infighting between various organizations within the conspiracy research community. As we have been witness to there has been a battlefield of allegations between researchers and survivors of SRA and CSA in every forum on the net from twitter to faceblock, from AnOpenSecret to Jan Irvin and Alex Jones it seems they have gone on an all out scorched earth policy of no survivors left since everyone feels like they have to "debunk" each other and drag each other through the mud instead of getting to the common core of the beast that we all face.

Jan Irvin has included himself in this list and apparently has a very long list of alienating those that he tries to establish relationships with notwithstanding his latest literary assault on Fiona Barnett and most of the long term "friends" and partners Irving has collaborated with over the past ten years including the purveyor of this information researcher and philanthropist Steve Outrim, of whom is included in Irvings smear campaign.

As you will see here, all is not what it seems. This story gets very interesting and very deep, including a relationship to the King of Marijuana and author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes Jack Herer, speculation of pedophilia, MORMOM CHILD BRIDES and a slew of interesting details that will expand your understanding about the decay of the hippie dream.

ALL of it can neatly wrap itself up into the paradigm and FALLOUT that IS the MK-ULTRA experiments and it's sub-projects.

What we are seeing with Jan is YEARS and YEARS of psychedelic drug abuse and it's long term schizophrenic and paranoia inducing after effects -dysfunctionality at it's very worst.

Debunking Jan Irvin

https://burners.me/2019/02/26/debunking-jan-irvin/

It is not that Irvings research has lost it's efficacy it is simply that the purveyor can no longer be responsible enough to maintain the truth it contains.

think- ago

notwithstanding his latest literary assault on Fiona Barnett

Would you maybe have a link for this?

@SandHog @Vindicator

SandHog ago

I'm not familiar with Jan Irvin or his particular stance on anything and while I have encountered the name before I don't know what he is all about. I will say that my tolerance for public-facing 'truthers' is currently at an all-time low and falling fast.

think- ago

I will say that my tolerance for public-facing 'truthers' is currently at an all-time low and falling fast.

Yes. I admit that I had never heard his name before. But then I usually don't watch Youtube videos, and I'm not on Twitter, so I guess I don't have an overview of all Pizzagaters / truthers active there.

think- ago

instead of getting to the common core of the beast that we all face.

Alex Jones was a limited hangout, AnOpenSecret seems to be a limited hangout. How do you expect limited hangouts to 'get to the common core of the beast'?

They are there to exactly prevent this, I'm afraid.