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angelafogo ago

Also. People. We need to research what the hell they were doing in Sedona’s john of god center https://unityofsedona.com/crystal-bed-healing-room/

think- ago

There was an annual meeting at Sedona, organized by John McCain, and Lynne de Rothschild, IIRC.

Less well known than the Bilderberg meeting, but many say at least as important.

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sore_ass_losers ago

Sedona is a New Age hotspot, known as an 'energy vortex', and I'm sure a beautiful spot.

It would be interesting to know when the John of God center was active and when de Faria himself visited there.

Apparently there's a big intersection between Globalism and the New Age. There was guy in the UK, Benjamin Creme, who promoted Maitreya, a New Age Christ to replace all religions living incognito in London. Sounds like a crackpot but...

The spiritual thrust of SI [his magazine Share International] is clearly obvious in each issue that is published. Despite this fact, or perhaps because of it, SI has a long list of prominent, well respected international diplomats, religious leaders and political figures who have had articles published in this magazine.

They include articles written by:

  former UN Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali

    present Secretary General Kofi Annan

    former President of Ireland Mary Robinson

    Gro Harlem Brundtland who is director-general of the World Health Organization
    and former Prime Minister of Norway

    the Dalai Lama

    recently even Britain’s Crown Prince Charles

Even though the average man off the street would most likely dissolve into hysterical laughter upon being presented with the beliefs of Creme and Share International, it is easily shown that this magazine is well-respected and taken seriously by many influential members of the Global Elite.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalelite.htm

Lansing-Michigan ago

Some of the good researchers on this site need to investigate ley lines. They are the energy networks all over the world which correspond to our chakra system. ........the study of them is common in the east but not the west.The places these ley lines cross each other are considered to have a lot of energy that can be spread by location only. Minot , ND, where we keep our nukes is on such a cross road. The catholics like to place huge cathedrals on them as well...it is said by Dr. Joseph Farrell, I think, that when they played the organ very loud with certain music like Back, the messages were broadcast ...by a way that is not commonly known, with power. Thomas Jefferson built his house on a cross roads..I think our forefathers knew of these things and it is just one more thing kept hidden from us lowly people. Have tried to find information and good maps of ley lines and to me, it is almost impossible. Big red flag.I think Sedona Arizona is on a cross road. ...a powerful one. New age people go to the area like a mecca.Dr. Farrell also thinks entire countries can be brain washed..he thought Germany was during Hitler's time. And it is an explanation as to why America has been so blind to pedophilia. Mass mind control.......All the experiments the nazis did are an enigma to me.Why has no one asked just what exactly they wanted to do with their findings.

sore_ass_losers ago

I was big into ley lines in my youth, reading Alfred Watkins The Old Straight Track and John Michell. Watkins rediscovered them; it's true you can lay a ruler on a map and neolithic sites, cathedrals, even natural peaks (if I recall correctly) line up. Later on I tried to find alignments in the US, looking at mounds, etc., with limited success.

I'd say they're more like acupuncture meridians than chakras. (In China ley lines are called dragon paths.)

I would expect Sedona and Abadiania to be on the confluence of ley lines.

I've run into books by modern researchers who take a more scientific approach to ley lines and claim they are a measurable phenomenon.

Here's a bit about Sedona's vortex energy:

Many people come to Sedona for a true spiritual experience. The uplifting vortex energy is part of the attraction to this area for inner journeys & retreats. Our knowing of Sedona as a place of special energy goes back to the time of the native people who were here, starting 11,000 years ago. They consider Sedona sacred. People now view Sedona as a place of awakening.

When the mainstream culture began to have an awakening to eastern and indigenous ways of healing and spirituality in the 1970’s, people began to look at Sedona with an intuitive eye to understand the high energy here. At that time Paige Bryant, a gifted clairvoyant, studied some of the energy patterns in Sedona and had her own special experiences at four places in Sedona that are the most widely known traditional meditation sites now - Bell Rock, Airport Mesa, Boynton Canyon and Cathedral Rock. In the thirty years since then, many other intuitive guides have identified other special energies in Sedona, and native people have also shared the location of some of their ancestral sacred sites in high energy areas.

...and yet the mystery remains. What is the complete nature of the vortex energy in Sedona? There is a slight measurable residue of magnetism in the places where the energy is strongest. The Juniper trees that twist like a vortex show areas of amplified energy. Scientists are now using satellite technology to study and understand earth energy patterns, and perhaps some of what we're experiencing in Sedona is the way the earth cycles energy in various wave patterns. We experience this subtle energy as energy in motion on the surface of the earth and can often feel it - and its effects - if we take the time to open and align to the energy.

http://sedonaspiritjourneys.com/sedona-s-vortex-energy/

For Abadiania there's some sort of crystal energy there (well Arizona has lots of minerals too):

His sanctuary, the Casa Dom Inácio, is located near an open portal atop a Quartz Crystal mine in the small town of Abadiania, Brazil.

I have to admit, I am 'into crystals'. I feel quartz especially has some energy which is useful for humans. Brazil has some amazing crystals. Particularly the neighboring state to Goias, Minas Gerais.

Here's a 4-ton crystal they brought from Brazil to Sedona:

https://files.catbox.moe/3vzkjc.jpg

This huge 4-ton crystal has been transplanted to the Casa in Sedona from Brazil. Monica said it has been changing colors over the past year, from white to a pinkish hue as it takes on the qualities of love and compassion. It's a female crystal, whose male counterpart will arrive at the Casa in the next few weeks.

http://healing-themovie.blogspot.com/

I also have to admit, JoG's crystal bed looks interesting to me. It's a series of artificially cut Vogel crystals that are suspended over the chakras and each is illuminated with the appropriate color of it's chakra.

https://files.catbox.moe/5yrqbw.jpg

Marcel Vogel was a scientist who worked for IBM developing liquid crystals. He claimed our bodies are liquid crystal and developed these Vogel cut crystals and a protocol for working with them.

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think- ago

I also have to admit, JoG's crystal bed looks interesting to me. It's a series of artificially cut Vogel crystals that are suspended over the chakras and each is illuminated with the appropriate color of it's chakra.

The concept might be intriguiging on first sight, especially when you have made valid experiences with crystals, but all people that looked into it, or even bought the crystal beds for an incredible high price agree that it is a scam, unfortunately.

Regarding Sedona: Well, the landscape is beautiful and intriguing, and there is nothing wrong with feeling good when being at a place, and feel that is has a 'special' energy, whether it is somehow measurable with scientific methods or not.

It's just sad that so many New Age and esotericism scammers went there as well, and dupe people.

sore_ass_losers ago

I don't think all buyers agree the 'crystal bed' is a scam, I see a lot of enthusiasm on the web and places offering sessions. No doubt it was over-priced. Of course it's going to be harder to advertise, better not mention the JoG connection.

Color therapy is a thing. Nowadays we use red light to clear up the skin, blue light good for oral hygiene, etc.

Lansing-Michigan ago

Bach, not Back. Sorry.

think- ago

@swordfish69: please see parent

think- ago

The Dalai Lama and Prince Charles, huh?

Creme promoted the Theosophist tradition.

That's really interesting. Will look into it, thanks! :-)

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sore_ass_losers ago

I'm going off on a tangent, but: H.P. Blavatsky and her successor Alice Bailey were not quite mediums, they communicated consciously with living supernatural personages in the Himalayas. Bailey had a concept of 'externalization of the hierarchy', that this hierarchy of entities should be revealed and rule the planet. Creme was influenced by these and others and also got telepathic messages. He organized transmission meditations, his followers around the world would meditate at the same time to send healing energy. So they are not quite mediums in the sense of Joao de Deus's spirit possession; there's some parallel with the group meditation.

think- ago

That's interesting. Especially since we know how much influence Blavatsky and Bailey had on occult movements in the 20th century, too. (But I could swear that at least Blavatsky 'channeled' deceased people as well. Will have to look that up.)

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sore_ass_losers ago

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Mediumship in Spiritism and Spiritualism is the ability of certain people —known as mediums— to mediate communication between dead people and living human beings.

Traditionally, Theosophists have been opposed to this practice.

Here's a quote from Blavatsky:

Mediumship. A word now accepted to indicate that abnormal psycho-physiological state which leads a person to take the fancies of his imagination, his hallucinations, real or artificial, for realities. No entirely healthy person on the physiological and psychic planes can ever be a medium. That which mediums see, hear, and sense, is "real" but untrue; it is either gathered from the astral plane, so deceptive in its vibrations and suggestions, or from pure hallucinations, which have no actual existence, but for him who perceives them. "Mediumship" is a kind of vulgarised mediatorship in which one afflicted with this faculty is supposed to become an agent of communication between a living man and a departed "Spirit." There exist regular methods of training for the development of this undesirable acquirement.

https://theosophy.wiki/en/Mediumship

letsdothis3 ago

Blavatsky SAID she channeled...

sore_ass_losers ago

(Regarding 'SAID': Well, I'm repeating all these claims as is, it doesn't mean I believe the claims.)

I looked it up briefly before I posted, she was involved in mediumship and sometimes debunking fakes I think.

What I meant was that her claim to fame, the thing that she did, was communicating with living super-natural entities. She remained conscious and did not assume their personalities.

I found a good term for 'JoG': a full incorporation trance medium. He loses his consciousness and lets the dead spirits control his body.

I've been wanting to bring this up, this is as good a place as any, JoG's main spirit Loyola also had psychic powers:

Íñigo also experienced a series of visions in full daylight while at the hospital. These repetitive visions appeared as "a form in the air near him and this form gave him much consolation because it was exceedingly beautiful ... it somehow seemed to have the shape of a serpent and had many things that shone like eyes, but were not eyes. He received much delight and consolation from gazing upon this object ... but when the object vanished he became disconsolate".[23] He came to interpret this vision as diabolical in nature.

So visions, but I find this part interesting:

There he encountered some women who had been called before the Inquisition. These women were considered alumbrados (Illuminated, Illuminati, or Enlightened Ones) – a group that was linked in their zeal and spirituality to Franciscan reforms, but had incurred mounting suspicion on the part of the administrators of the Inquisition. At one point, Íñigo was preaching on the street when three of these devout women began to experience ecstatic states. "One fell senseless, another sometimes rolled about on the ground, another had been seen in the grip of convulsions or shuddering and sweating in anguish." This suspicious activity had taken place while Íñigo was preaching without a degree in theology. Íñigo was then singled out for interrogation by the Inquisition; however, he was later released.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Loyola

So he induced ecstatic states in Illuminati followers. Critics say he was in the Alumbrados (predecessor to the Bavarian Illuminati), a Converso, and a Cabalist. He was investigated as an Alumbrado but released with an admonition, other sources say.

think- ago

@sore_ass_losers: please see parent. Thanks.

think- ago

Yes, that's what I seemed to remember.....thanks!

letsdothis3 ago

Many people thought she was a charlatan too - using props at seances... I've wondered if she was working for someone... remember my post on the origins of contemporary modern art in the Western world in pizzagagateart subverse..(Russia) ?

think- ago

I've wondered if she was working for someone

Interesting thought. Yes, of course she might have been a charlatan. Will re-read your post.

think- ago

Thanks

allonthesameteam ago

Was JoG at Enchantment resort? Did events actually happen there? I knew of the yearly meetings there and wonder if they coincide. Thoughts?

think- ago

@ASolo @Vindicator @sore_ass_losers: please see my edit above. Thanks.

angelafogo ago

Thats quite something that they chose Sedona for their ritual meetings. This center has mk ultra written all over it.

Lansing-Michigan ago

The new age movement is CIA ...(1) David Wilcock , one of their movers and shakers, used to write comments on a website I frequented often. He would criticize the author of the website routinely..promise posts and not deliver. Nobody ever responded to my comments so I just volunteered one to David, stupidly thinking he would read it but not too many others. Because he admitted to being a former alcoholic and drug addict..and I have been to AA, I asked him if he was back on the sauce. All Hell broke loose from his ardent followers. One follower had paid attn . to his real behavior and stated David would not allow criticism on his website. Certainly not new agey at all. He did not really write a book that got lots and lots of attn. , showcased in Barnes and Noble ....a friend who had been to his "events" said he often referred to his dick...not new agey at all with all the spiritual old ladies in attendance. His popularity began to wain. He became more bizarre, pushing a blue avian alien who he had direct contact with......got a side kick named Corey Goode who has had some kind of criminal record that people are aware of. Believe me , when anybody's books get pushed this day and age, the govt. is giving them a stamp of approval.(2) My father was a pedophile in Durham , NC. One of his dear friends was Joe Ryan , who started the parapsychology dept. at Duke University. They were so close, they each knew when the other would call on the phone prior to picking it up. My father, who was dirt poor , had many friends who were doctors in Durham and one very prominent lawyer. Joe Ryan had a case of the books , Course in Miracles in his office. ..to give out. This is a new age book purported to be written by Jesus himself with a huge following. ..lots of good stuff in it. I have studied it.Big message is to forgive. Certainly new agey. Also this world is not real. Now this harkens back, to me, of the Bible, you will have a mansion in the sky ..be humble and worship God.Slaves obey your masters, wives obey your husbands..Same thing.Also if your brother harms you , do not take him to court....modern day tort reform. So , if we ignore this world that is not real, we allow the elites to do anything they want. And we should not take them to court. Voila...I think when I was a little girl, they did some MKUltra stuff to me but have nothing definitive to prove it. Only a few memories. I believe these reasons are why the churches have been so full of pedophiles and people keep their mouths shut. It goes against their teachings. The programming is only believable if you have lived it. I have.