I’m writing this because I feel it needs to be said since people are making Jem out to be a martyr.
Now mods are attacked because that’s the disinfo that Jem pushed because @Vindicator banned her after many warnings. People have tried to put blame on him, people have said him and some of us other mods are evil. It’s going too far. I was just a regular user when she was banned. I worked my way up and got to know everyone. It’s nothing like what she describes. There isn’t some mod conspiracy against whistleblowers. I have private tweets of her trying to convince me of that as well. People can be hateful....
Here is one example. Read my reply underneath so you get an idea of where I’m coming from.
People have been urging me to share. I mean no disrespect. I believe Jem did did do a lot of good. But, you guys shouldn’t just go believe everything she’s shared. She exaggerated CONSTANTLY. She always needed to feel important. Plus, she had been working with George Webb all along I believe.
I’m sure some of you are going to be pissed off. I’m sorry. But, you can read thru this and make your own decision, at least I’m putting it out there for you guys to decide on your own.
She made the following tweets. Note how on the last one, it shows George Webb.
These were from Dec 15th. Notice the bottom one shows George Webb...
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She sent more pictures privately on Twitter...
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This is where it’s time to pay closer attention. She sent me these private messages with pictures of James Alefantis, who was supposedly watching her, following her, etc.. As well as talking about a secret bathroom.
See the pictures here...
https://images2.imgbox.com/ef/2b/SdbRMpel_o.jpeg
Here is a personal video she sent me from inside Comet ping pong telling me about a secret room off the bathroom...
https://streamable.com/e7h14
She was always defensive of George Webb. ALWAYS. She didn’t like me until I went thru a period of liking him too. I think she knew him all along. I think she was working with George Webb. So on the same night after going to Comet ping pong, we had a conversation about George Webb. You can see how happy she was being with him. I wondered if they were a couple.
Here is that conversation...
Jem talking about George.
A couple of days later, George Webb made some tweets. It pissed a lot of people off. This is how it started... First, he was accused of child trafficking with James Alefantis. So he showed up at Comet ping pong WITHIN THE HOUR. He must have been pretty concerned to do that.
What made people become so angry was how he described James Alefantis.
He said “I met James Alefantis. He is playing a role as sex predator at CIA.
Good actor. Good CIA man”. He later deleted those tweets and wouldn’t answer people’s questions when they got angry. If it was so important for him to go within the hour, all he said about that was that he’s quite sure he didn’t know James?
Here are the tweets below...
George Webb Tweets
An angry tweet from a user
AFTER George made that tweet, I had a private twitter conversation with Jem. She made light of it and tries to convince me that when George Webb is speaking, he uses psychological warfare. If he was using psychological warfare, then why delete his tweets?
Her story was falling apart. What about the pictures she sent showing James Alefantis and his CIA friend staring her down and following her? What about the secret room off the bathroom that she sent me a video of? She didn’t know that George Webb would tweet what he did so she had to come up with excuses. That’s just a short conversation. But she ended it by saying she thinks James Alefantis is a Finder.
Here is that conversation...
Conversation with Jem about George’s tweet.
We had a long conversation, full of her exaggerating things as usual, on the Dec 20th. But then on December 22nd, I had more questions about why George would say that James Alefantis was a Finder and make light of it saying he’s a good CIA man.
The Dec 22nd conversation was her trying to make me feel sympathy for poor George. Her describing a different story about what happened. The whole story regarding the bathroom changed. She sent me the video the day she took it. How come the new story contradicts what she had said the first time?
George said he showed up within the hour because he was being accused of knowing James Alefantis. Why does Jem say she brought George to keep him them distracted while she looked around? If she found nothing to be wrong, why were the pictures that she sent me ones that made it look like she felt threatened? Plus the secret room off the bathroom. Why did that story change?
Why did everything she said suddenly change after George made that tweet? It ended with her acting irritated and telling me to withhold judgement. Then why did she willingly give me all the “fake” information a week before? Why did she start getting defensive when asked? She didn’t know he was going to make that tweet.
Here is that conversation...
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I’m just sharing this because it’s related to James Alefantis and Comet Ping Pong. It’s just an example to show you that she was a limited hangout. She mixed some truth with some disinfo. Others have had experiences as well, but they can share if they choose to.
I would like to say before I’m killed off, that what I have on Jem isn’t anything incriminating. It’s just her usual exaggerated stories and experiences. The only reason I’m not sharing all of it is because it doesn’t apply to pizzagate and I don’t feel right about it.
Since I have been attacked repeatedly, I shared in the comments yesterday how Jem was connected to “Sarah”. A total stalker. It’s probably a guy or a group. @Jem777 and @Gothamgirl were both connected to Sarah.
That’s why GothamGirl got so angry and tried accusing me yesterday or miraculously planting child porn on her phone when I’ve never met her in my life. She said that once I joined pizzagate, people started disappearing. Oh and I threatened to kidnap her child supposedly too. That was just SOME of what she tried to pull yesterday. http://imgbox.com/hw7mLGwR
Anyway, here is me showing how Jem was connected to Sarah and how I was being stalked...
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2677890/13589301
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2677890/13589525
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Cc1914 ago
I had heard that something would surface regarding Jem777 being a liar etc . It was hard to digest and had been waiting patiently for the info to come out . I just saw this sticky . I’m quite shocked that this is the info claiming that she was a disinformation shill . I saw nothing in those screenshots that proved she was disinfo. Paranoid ? Maybe , but to go on about how exaggerating you thought she was is unfair , considering she was the one with her “ boots on the ground “ as @pizzalawyer brought out . We’ve all been paranoid researching this stuff .. even you , because REAL weird stuff has happened to several people here . Do I think her death had something to do with what @RIPJem is going on about ? Not after reading everything he/she said . Sounds way overboard and completely sketchy to me . If Jem is alive and this is all fake .. WOW ! Then they will have succeeded in dividing a few more “ sandy hook “ style as in play on our emotions ! “ How could you say those deaths were fake “ ?! Etc . @Srayzie , I know you posted about how bad you felt about bringing this up and all I just wish that your evidence was more clear because to me it sounds like your personal perception of her was unwarranted. I don’t trust GW or anyone else of his stature completely . I don’t think Jem trusted him towards the end either . Did I know her personally ? No , but I’ve seen her research and like @dressage2 said “ she wasn’t perfect “ and we’ve all posted disinfo , unintentionally of course . She was stubborn when it came to re-writing her posts to comply with PG rules , but so were/are a lot of us . So if I’m correct in my deductions here .. this woman who was a cop , and made videos of herself holding her badge talking about the coverups that happen at the top was a disinfo shill? What about that is shilly? The very cop she accused of ordering her beating a while back has been abruptly fired also ..just a few days ago .. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/08/15/larry-esquivel-tracy-police-chief-fired/
What was your goal here because your screenshots prove nothing IMO . If I went into CPP personally , I would have takin all those photos too , it’s scary stuff not knowing what to expect . Telling you that JA and his buddy were staring her down somehow means she’s exaggerating? I’m sure they were staring her down . Furthermore if I thought you were my friend as Jem obviously thought you were , then I’d send you play by play details of my findings too . . As much as I think GW is a setup , I still Don’t think his comment about JA was saying “ he wasn’t bad “ If someone thinks I’m a shill , please announce it before I’m dead so I can defend myself . Like I said if this ends up being a hoax , look what it accomplished...
srayzie ago
So her suddenly switching her story wasn’t shady? On the 15th, before George Webb made that tweet, she sent pictures and said she was being stared down and followed by JA and his CIA buddy. (Who knows how she determined he was a CIA buddy).
“James Alefantis followed me to Little Red Fox to stare me down.”
“I stared evil in the face.”
“James CIA buddy staring evil at me.”
“Inside the secret bathroom. Yes... It is behind a secret door.”
“James followed us. It made me nauseous”
After George Webb made the tweet on the 17th, her story about everything changed. That’s not shady? What is it that you aren’t seeing here?
“The secret bathroom is not what it seems. This is a hole in the wall dump.”
Ok, then why send me the picture and video saying different?
“I could not get past the ping pong tables to the back.”
“There is no basement in the building.”
“I went everywhere except part of the kitchen.”
Really? She did all that while being followed by James and his CIA buddy huh?
Let’s not forget that now... James Alefantis is a “Finder”. Poor JA the victim.
Nothing to see here right?!
I have a lot more. Like I said, I only shared the Comet ping pong portion. I contemplated and many people thought I should post this. What pisses me off, is that you and I know each other. So what are you implying when you ask what my goal was here? We’ve been on the same page. We both have fought for the same things. So I don’t appreciate the way you’re making this sound.
Obviously, your interpretation of the screenshots proving nothing, is in the minority. Many people agreed. So I’m paranoid? Exaggerating? How can I exaggerate what the screenshots and video show? Why do so many other people see it but you don’t? You seemed pissed at me last week because I told Argosciv off about how he would drink human blood. Instead of being happy that I blasted him, you said that when you did, Vindicator got onto you. Holding a grudge?
Once again, I never said that Jem was bad. She did a lot of good. But she gave truth mixed with disinfo. I have much more and have shared with a few people that I’m close with. If my GOAL was to just smear her, I would have posted it all.
RIPJem is Sarah. I’ve tried to explain to you a long time ago who Sarah was. You thought it was a bot. Well then it’s a bot that Jem talked to daily. I have the conversations with Jem about Sarah too. I was always cool with you. A lot of people talk shit to me, but I never expected you to be one of them.
@Shizy @Think- @Vindicator
Cc1914 ago
Wait , why did you ping the other mods in this ? Did you just call for support ?
srayzie ago
Because if I’m going to be accused of things, such as @Gothamgirl now saying that I put child porn on her phone and being afraid I’m going to hurt her child, then there are going to be witnesses because this is getting ridiculous.
Gothamgirl ago
See that proves your a liar, I asked you, I didn't accuse you, and It's on this thread.
srayzie ago
You’re being absolutely ridiculous and acting like a fool.
jangles ago
You are the fool. GET OFF OF JENNY's Case. DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT YOU LARP
srayzie ago
First of all, when I made the post, I wasn’t aware that her death was being questioned like this. I didn’t know that she was having problems with George. That seemed to have blown up after I made the post. I probably wouldn’t have posted this had I known her death was being questioned.
Things went too far. People started blaming @Vindicator for banning her and telling him that he was responsible for her death. A new “Sarah” profile went ballistic and started drama. You fell for it. @Gothamgirl started her drama by implying that I planted child porn on her phone, that I threatened her child and said that things started happening after I joined. Like I’m responsible. How shitty is that? I’ve been here from the beginning. Are you fucking kidding me? Her true shill self came out publicly. The child porn on her phone should be looked into by the way.
I’m sorry that you can’t see what the majority of us see. I tried being sensitive to your feelings. I never said Jem didn’t do good. George Webb and Alex Jones do good too. But, they are a limited hangout and give some false information with truth. It goes much deeper than just Comet ping pong. I only said what’s important to this community.
Jem made a post on Voat the day after she went to Comet ping pong. Her story, just like what I shared in my post, sure changes on the 17th after George Webb made that tweet.
Link
Here is a video of her and George right after they left Comet ping pong. They seemed to be having a blast. James followed them so much that George says “Task Force said he was following us”.
I’m not working Jem’s CASE. I liked her too and I have a right to be concerned. I’m not a heartless monster. You’re exaggerating big time. I’m staying calm because I know you’re emotional right now. But you all need to back off because you don’t know everything.
@think- @shizy @Dressage2 Above, I added a video of Jem and George Webb laughing as they left Comet ping pong, and a Voat post that Jem made the day after going to Comet, before George Webb’s tweet. Look at the contrast in her story. It goes right along with my post.
jangles ago
Ok you are not a monster. Yet your claims of knowing her are shallow. Why didn't she ever mention you to me? She mentioned @dressange2 but not you. WHY? I do agree she was off her mark many times but don't think she was manipulating people intentionally as you project. I stand by that. Thanks for 'trying to be sensitive' yet we all should not trust anyone. Or eachother, thanks for your insight and commitment for truth finding. God bless. Sorry I felt frazzled yet you need to realize it appears you are discrediting all of the great she has done.
Vindicator ago
@jangles, I have a serious question. I genuinely do not understand why people hold such a high positive opinion of the Jem account. You say srayzie is "discrediting all of the great she has done." What are you referring to, specifically? What great research has Jem contributed here? I have not seen any of that, and when I asked her to link to her research 10 months ago, she refused to do so. Please...loop me in. If she contributed in a positive way, I would like to know that. I have not seen it.
jangles ago
Nothing here. Just as a whistleblower against McCabe
think- ago
So you confirm that she hasn't contributed anything of value to the sub, but you are attacking all other users who hold the same view? Interesting.
@Crensch @Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @ben_matlock @Shizy
jangles ago
nothing substantial, especially when compared to the whistleblowing she did in CA, long before voat ever existed
Vindicator ago
Really? All this sturm and drang is about a user who did not contribute research to v/pizzagate? For crying out loud.
@Crensch: apparently Jem777 fans were following her research offsite. See context above.
@Jangles, there is a real possibility blackhats created that account to discredit Moore's real life work. Did you see any confirmation from Moore that the Jem account was hers?
Crensch ago
Then she was a useless cunt here.
Vindicator ago
I am leaning toward the idea that blackhats created the Jem account to discredit this real life person, and fooled a lot of pizzagoats who thought they were talking to the YouTuber.
That would be the charitable interpretation of what I've seen so far.
think- ago
But there was also a Jem777 Twitter account, wasn't it? Did it post stuff from the Jenny Moore YT account?
Vindicator ago
It would be very easy to create a fake Twitter. Someone made one of me, with the identical profile pic and everything. I would have had no clue if goats hadn't caught it and told me. It took me 10 tries to get it taken down by Twitter -- two months of asking. It was right around the time Voat was shut down for three days. It had made no tweets, though, thankfully.
Crensch ago
And the most likely or worst cases?
No rush, I know you've been busy.
think- ago
I think the 'death' of Jem777 might be connected to calling her out as part of the bot/shill network by @Camulous. An identity they couldn't / didn't want to use any longer.
I have read almost all the stuff she wrote here, and it was totally obvious that the Jem777 account mixed accurate information with disinfo and exaggerations.
And now they have created buzz, claim she was murdered, and discredit the mods, although there isn't even a confirmation yet that the rl person Jenny Moore has died (if she really died, I would be sorry of course).