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1 ) These people stacking up at the border ARE NOT Immigrants, they are Foreign Nationals. They do not have the right to break our laws and enter into our country illegally. They do not have Diplomatic Status and they are subject to ALL our laws, just like every American citizen. Any American who attempts to illegally breach a border or unlawfully enter into another country will be arrested and deported immediately. They will be banned or forever restricted from entering into that country ( or other countries ) in the future. Their passports ( if they have one ) will be revoked by our own State Department and they will be fined and possibly imprisoned.
2 ) Half the minor children that make it to the Southern Border are UNACCOMPANIED by their actual parents. That means they are more than likely victims of human trafficking, not victims of our laws. It would be morally irresponsible to turn these children loose in our country and subject them to the vast and predatory network of human trafficking.
3 ) The danger and threat to these children infinitely decreases the minute they are picked up by DHS, ICE and Border Patrol. The are protected from being victimized by Coyotes and traffickers. They are no longer subject to the harsh elements nor in danger of starvation or dehydration. They are fed, given shelter and water, blankets and a place to sleep while their status is determined. Almost none of these foreign nationals have documentation and it makes for an extremely complicated process of finding out who they are, their country of origin, and whether they are being trafficked. The delays are not cruelty and they are not being held a single day longer than they need to. They are not being incarcerated, they are being detained. ( I actually saw bleeding heart news story on MSNBC with a narrative about the inhumanity the poor children were suffering with an accompanying video of kids shooting pool and playing video games on a big screen TV. Probably the kids first ever experience with such horrible human cruelty. o_0)
4 ) Fast and Furious was more than just handing guns to Drug Cartels. That narrative lacks the central truth about Drug Cartels: THEY ARE HUMAN/SEX TRAFFICKERS, TOO!! The Obama/Clinton State Department was running guns deep into Central America, including Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and Nicaragua. They were handing the guns directly to Drug/Human trafficking Cartels in a deliberate effort to destabilize those countries and facilitate human trafficking. Sound familiar? It should, because they did the same thing in Libya, Syria, Mogadishu, Liberia, Congo, and at least 10 other nations. This is the PLAN. Force refugees North to Europe and the United States and prey upon them every step of their journey. This is why you see mostly men in the massive wave that finally arrives at our ports and borders. The women and children have been picked like ripe fruit and swept into sex trafficking and slavery.
5 ) Lawmakers don't give two shits about this contrived and created problem. The President is the only person calling for a WALL and for Congress to act towards a solution. Democrats and Republicans alike are following the disingenuous narrative being laid out by the Orwellian MSM: 'Trump is destroying Families!! Oh, the humanity!!' <BARF> Human trafficking is big business and donors to both partiers are profiting enormously over the status quo. Politicians don't want a solution. They want a distraction to keep the train heading down the tracks.
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Vindicator ago
@Oh_Well_ian: As you are well aware, unsourced discussion posts belong in v/pizzagatewhatever and are not allowed on v/pizzagate. You need to add links to supporting evidence for all of your discussion points to turn this into a research thread, or we will have to remove it. I will give you the 24 Hour Grace flair to do so.
Oh_Well_ian ago
sure.. but once again, PG Mods are not letting Voaters speak with their votes like the rest of the entire platform that honors free speech.
Also, what ever happened to Pizzagate Bot? Was Pizzagate bot archiving too many SOURCES and linking them together, allowing people to see the WEB of child sex trafficking?
Boy.. how about we significantly improve v/pizzagate and make it 1000x easier for researchers to SOURCE their posts by BRINGING BACK PIZZAGATE BOT ??
I move that you create a STICKY and allow VOATERS TO VOTE on whether @PizzagateBot should be brought back. Can I get a SECOND?
carmencita ago
Here! Here! I Second Your Motion. and Your Emotion.
think- ago
Ian, the guy who ran the Pizzagate bot left Voat. If you or anybody else knows how to run a bot like this, you are kindly invited and very welcome to create and run one.
In the meantime, you might want to use searchvoat.co.
Thanks.
@Vindicator
Oh_Well_ian ago
Really? I thought is was a code program, because Pizzagate bot was almost always first to comment on any post, even before Derram.
That indicates it was a program in the system.
Is that something you were told or has it been 100% verified ?
think- ago
Nope. It was a user who created it, and when he left, the Pizzagate bot left with him.
Yes, it is verified, lol. ;-)
@Vindicator
Oh_Well_ian ago
excuse me if I don't believe you
what could possible explain how fast his posts would come up?
think- ago
If you don't believe me, I can't help it, Ian. @Vindicator can confirm what I said.
Which posts?
Oh_Well_ian ago
every linked post and every post that contained links... were you not here in the early days?
Is there a statement from the user about his departure or was it... 'welp, I guess he left! gee wiz..' ?
think- ago
They came up that quickly, because it was a bot....just like @Derram's bot.
@Vindicator was in touch with him before he left IIRC. He might be able to get back to you when he'll be in later.
@heygeorge can confirm that the Pizzagate bot wasn't 'part of the system', but a user application.
I don't understand why you don't believe what I say, though.
@Crensch @ben_matlock
heygeorge ago
@Oh_Well_Ian when you say something like this:
thought is was a code program
You are indicating that you don't know what you are talking about, so I can understand your confusion. If PGBot was faster than derram, it's prob because they set it to check more often. It was only tracking one subverse, after all.
Otherwise, my recall is the same as think-'s. I assure you it was not part of the 'system'.
Oh_Well_ian ago
It should be part of the system..
How hard would it be to implement ?
heygeorge ago
I can't see how a bot for a specific subverse will ever be an integral part of Voat.
As far as I remember, the PGBot was pretty clever. So the difficulty may be less in the implementation but in the precise idea behind it. That being said, someone will then need to host and run it as well as (ideally, although this is a smaller task) get the Voat API keys from Putts.
Vindicator ago
@Oh_Well_ian @think- @carmencita @heygeorge:
Pizzagate Bot left after there was a bruhaha when he began using his bot to against another v/pizzagate user whom he thought was a spreading disinfo. That researcher, who had published a number of well-written articles on normie sites and had quite a few well-upvoted posts, naively doxed themselves. PGB and a couple of others began attacking them on multiple threads in the comment section based on where the person worked, where their grandfather worked, and the town they lived in, claiming they were connected to the murder of Aaron Schwartz.
The user deleted the self-doxing comments and submissions they had put up, but PGB used his archive to repost them, which is in direct violation of several parts of the Voat User Agreement.
I deleted his re-doxing comment and pinged the O's to the fact that I did it. A large shitshow ensued over whether what he did was okay, with multiple mods and O's commenting with different opinions. He wanted to know if the bot itself was a violation of the Voat User Agreement, even though I had called him out for misusing the information it scraped, not for the automatic thread-linking feature.
Shortly thereafter, the bot went away. As I recall, Putt was pinged in the original discussion and I certainly gave the user who was doxed the information about how to contact him to make a DMCA takedown request to have it permanently removed from the Removed area. I don't know what happened after that, if Putt had anything to do with PGB's exit from Voat, but he stopped posting directly thereafter.
Oh_Well_ian ago
wow... thanks... very cloak and dagger
Vindicator ago
More like a complete drama shitshow. :-( The user in question has not done the same quality work since.
Oh_Well_ian ago
well, I was unaware of the particulars of the meltdown and I do believe you and think on the matter..
I remember pg bot as a very useful tool for reminding me of the pg map and assisting in connecting dots on new submissions
think- ago
Thank you, @heygeorge.
Oh_Well_ian ago
well, you're winning me over because you're explaining the situation more comprehensively
think- ago
@Crensch: please see convo above. Thanks.
Oh_Well_ian ago
no.. don't bother with him
I trust you to sort it out.