Laura Silsby, Michael Maccoby, and AreWeSure: The Hewlett-Packard connection (pizzagate)

submitted ago by jewfighter33

OK I am making a new thread for this because 1: the last thread died and 2: it's discussion-worthy.

I am responding to @AreWeSure, who disputes the Silsby connection and is probably a shill, but will give the benefit of doubt.

Maccoby wrote a book about Silsby's boss

This I hadn't heard of. Any link.

So I did a bit of timeline and here's what I got:

Original image: http://i.magaimg.net/img/2zys.png

Here it lays out that many people involved in pizzagate come from HP in Boise, Idaho, including:

Laura Silsby, worked at HP Boise for 6 years in 1990s

Von Hansen, ex-Vice President at HP Boise, head of AlertSense, hired sex-dancers tied to Alefantis

James Hammons, co-founded PersonalShopper.com with Silsby, worked at HP Boise

Andy Moore, another child-stealer, worked in Distribution at HP Boise for 4 years (1991-1995), also PersonalShopper

And then comes Richard Hackborn, former HP Chairman, also was Vice President of HP Boise Printer Division from 1990, so literally Silsby's boss.

Michael Maccoby wrote a book about Hackborn: The Gamesman: The New Corporate Leaders

Described by Mr. Young as the "consummate strategist," Mr. Hackborn was profiled under the name Jack Wakefield in "The Gamesman," the 1976 book about corporate leaders by Michael Maccoby, who portrayed him as the model of a new breed of manager who views business as a game, adapts rapidly to change and excels at crafting strategies and motivating teams to win.

Is it safe to say that they might know each other, @AreWeSure?

Alefantis and Maccobys - close friends, lawyer

Maccoby and Silsby - connected through Friends of the Orphans and HP Boise (Maccoby wrote a book about Silsby's boss)

Trey McIntyre and Silsby - connected through Von Hansen (HP, Alertsense)

Trey McIntyre and Alefantis - connected through Comet Ping Pong (attended same party)

Kasky and Silsby - connected through Haiti adoption racket, FAC

all tied to clintons

Also a great refresher for Silsby/Alefantis for those who forgot~ recommended by @OhRutherfordBehave

Previous thread: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2478562

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Vindicator ago

@jewfighter33, this is a compelling research post, and I am not trying to bust your balls. Your timeline asserting these people all worked together at HP is blockbuster material...except you don't link to the primary source(s) that support it. As you know, we require all major claims to be linked to supporting sources (Rule 2), which means I have to flair this post until you edit that in. Please add a link for each of these people's purported work history. If LinkedIn requires a login to see the info, please provide a screenshot of the page, as well as the link to their bio. Some users will not want to log into that site to verify...others will. Please reply to this comment when you've done so, and I will very happily remove the flair and replace it with "New Evidence".

Reminder: Anyone who wants to help jewfighter33 document the HP connection should jump in and add the needed links in Comments so he can edit them into the thread.

jewfighter33 ago

Done!

Vindicator ago

Thank you, JF, for taking a stab at that. There are still a couple of issues, though before I can replace the flair:

Laura Silsby, worked at HP Boise for 6 years in 1990s source

We need an actual primary source showing that Silsby worked at HP Boise. The guy commenting on Reddit without any supporting link isn't any better evidence than you or I saying it. According to the Wikipedia article you linked, this Idaho Statesman article supposedly mentions it, but we need to find an archived copy of it to be sure. Check Wayback Machine; it's behind a paywall at the Stateman. Here's the deets to search for:

  • Moeller, Katy (2010-02-13). "Grand ambitions: Laura Silsby has tackled life with faith in God and herself". The Idaho Statesman. IdahoStatesman.com. Retrieved 21 May 2010.

Alternatively, I'm sure someone archived Silsby's LinkedIn. It was visible in the lower right of Andy Moore's profile, so I know it's out there: https://archive.fo/hysrD https://kek.gg/i/Gm_n4.png

Von Hansen, ex-Vice President at HP Boise, source head of AlertSense, hired sex-dancers tied to Alefantis source source

The problem here is that the Wall Street Journal article you've listed for Hansen debunks the second half of your statement about him, that he hired sex-dancers. It reads "None of it sounded right to HP executives, who did some internal checking and found that it had never hired the dance troupe to do anything...HP complained to CNNMoney, which has since altered the story considerably. A headline that first read, “Why Hewlett-Packard is hiring dancers” now reads “Dance troupe markets creativity to cube-dwellers,” and is accompanied by a lengthy correction note."

Hammons and Moore links look good. :-)

And then Richard Hackborn, former HP Chairman, also was Vice President of HP Boise Printer Division from 1990, so literally Silsby's boss. source source

The problem with this statement about Hackborn is there is nothing supporting "so literally Silsby's boss", since we don't have a primary source for Silsby's work history at HP. Once you get a link for the Silsby history above, the Hackborn citations are fine.

Sorry to be such a stickler, but the redpill power of this rides on our ability to dot every i and cross every t, otherwise we are no better than the MSM. Let me know when you've gotten the goods on these couple of points.

jewfighter33 ago

Thanks for the input! I found the links and added them, Silsby worked for 6 years from 1992-1998 according to USA today https://archive.li/5DOBm#selection-929.257-937.78

So Hackborn was VP of the Boise Division at the time, so very close. reworded to upper management

Vindicator ago

Awesome JF. I am going to go ahead and remove the flair, but I can't give you a "New Evidence" flair unless you include the WSJ findings that HP claimed they paid nothing for the dancers. Your info graphic still implies they did, without addressing the fact that there's no proof that is true. That's not to say that the WSJ isn't covering for HP -- that wouldn't surprise me a bit. But we have to at least acknowledge their debunking of the dancers story, or we're no better than the propaganistic Fake News.

jewfighter33 ago

OK done, added "allegedly" and "later denied by Hansen" to it.

Are_we_sure ago

OK done, added "allegedly" and "later denied by Hansen" to it.

Why don't you just report the actual facts. Here's the updated story with the actual facts.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/23/technology/innovation/trey-mcintyre-project-hewlett-packard/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Editor's note: An earlier version of this story mischaracterized the relationship between Hewlett-Packard and the Trey McIntyre Project. The dance troupe has performed at HP's Boise office several times as part of a company event showcasing the area's artistic organizations and charities, but HP has not hired or paid TMP for its creative services. The text of this article has been updated and corrected. CNNMoney regrets the error.

@Vindicator, I think the TMP was less about getting direct donations than about building an audience. I think they hoped that the people at HP would see them perform and then come out as paying customers. I would think that folks who donated them actually went to dance performances.

Vindicator ago

Thanks for stengthening the crowdsourced investigation AWS.

What I find interesting is: Who instigated the original false CNN Money story to smear HP? A disgruntled employee? A competitor? Angry Mormons in Boise? CIA? I'm not intimately acquainted with the history of the company, but I do know that HP used to be an amazing company with a culture of innovation that somehow keeled over and lost it's heart. What happened? When? Why? Why did the cost of printers careen off a cliff? Who were the players? What role did this Boise office play in the company as a whole? Were there other media hit jobs against them like this dancer story? Why?