The paid shills have resources and a strategy. We may not have financial resources, but we should develop a strategy to infiltrate all of the online forums, to counter them. (pizzagate)

submitted ago by djklbd

Here's a thought..

On reddit, the shills use a discord chat server to plan and plot their strategies. They also all have tons of alternate accounts, and they have spent the last year (at least) infiltrating all of the major online conspiracy community/truth movement related forums.

If they are using these attacks to SUPPRESS vital information from spreading and reaching the masses, why can't we utilize the same strategies to SPREAD the information, and counter their attacks? This would require the hardcore users here to work as a team effort, taking the fight outside of Voat and onto other platforms where we can reach people.

If we used a discord server or "Kik" or some private means of communicating offline, we could coordinate ways to infiltrate a certain social media platform, the comments section of an article, or forums like GLP, Reddit, ect. The difference being, we would use this simply as a way to even the playing field. We are fighting a losing information battle essentially, because the enemy is well organized and well funded.

Why can't we organize and use their same tactics to help spread rational articles and beginner videos (like the Ben Swann expose') on all of the online media?

This isn't that big of a concept, and it wouldn't be that hard to get started. I think if we branched out and made a few accounts on the various forums and used a chat server, we could coordinate ways to start fighting back, systematically discrediting shills, pointing out false information and eventually pushing ahead in this information battle.

Here's a video documenting some of the coordinated attacks by shills on internet users.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53qYAWE8_kE

I too was a victim of this.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2323758

PM me if interested or contribute below, especially if you have any ideas on how to best remain anonymous during this.

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Vindicator ago

If we used a discord server or "Kik" or some private means of communicating offline, we could coordinate ways to infiltrate a certain social media platform

I don't want to pee on the parade, but folks should know that back in Nov/Dec of '16, people were encouraged by certain users to go to Discord chats, in which they felt more free to talk in a more "private" environment, and those conversations resulted in the doxing of many researchers, including if I recall correctly, @PleadingtheYiff and many of the original r/pizzagate mods (who ended up creating Disobedient Media as a result). Just be careful out there. :-)

Why can't we organize and use their same tactics

If a shill gets into your chatroom, you can have your supposedly secure conversation and plan screencapped and outted -- making you look like an (((extremist alt-right hate group))) or (((Russian bots))) conspiring to push a fake narrative. Just something to keep in mind. LARPing with alts and other types of subterfuge undermines the validity of your message.

We are fighting a losing information battle essentially, because the enemy is well organized and well funded.

I regularly spread the goodies that pop up here via Twitter. I definitely think some publicity campaigns are in order. However, it is not true that we are fighting a losing information battle. We are going stronger than ever, as every tweet by John Podesta reveals. We are decentralized and thus much more difficult to influence. And they have tried and failed repeatedly to suppress the evidence we have so carefully gathered and protected.

@GreenDell144 @Shizy @13Buddha @Blacksmith21

Shizy ago

Thank you!

djklbd ago

I don't want to pee on the parade, but folks should know that back in Nov/Dec of '16, people were encouraged by certain users to go to Discord chats, in which they felt more free to talk in a more "private" environment, and those conversations resulted in the doxing of many researchers

If you check out my post history, I too was doxxed by Media Matters shills, so I'm aware of their bullshit.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2323758

We have a screening process before we let anyone into the chat, and I made it clear no sharing of any personal information, for everyone's safety.

If a shill gets into your chatroom, you can have your supposedly secure conversation and plan screencapped and outted -- making you look like an (((extremist alt-right hate group))) or (((Russian bots))) conspiring to push a fake narrative. Just something to keep in mind. LARPing with alts and other types of subterfuge undermines the validity of your message.

Thats why I've taken measures to assure this doesn't happen. I archive everything related to the creation of this group, for our safety. I wouldn't call it "Larping with Alts", but yes, I am condoning the use of alt accounts. Is this not what the shills do? Why is it accepted to be ok for them to implement these tactics, but not for us?

I definitely think some publicity campaigns are in order

That's essentially what I'm proposing.

GreenDell144 ago

Thanks for the wake up. Everything you said is true. I am considering giving some of this a shot, simply as a means of spreading to other platforms and giving truth. Weird plots to plant stink bombs in NAMBLA headquarters or whatever... that’s just dumb. Thanks for the voice of reason.

Blacksmith21 ago

I would strongly advise against any form of chat for both technical security, as well as doxxing. Chat rooms bring out the worst in people. There are no do-overs in chat. 100% agree @Vindicator. No chat.