Making @kevdude an [O] level mod is directly against the operating rules of this subreddit and I explicitly do not condone this action and I now consider this 'verse corrupt and in the middle of a takeover by corrupt forces.
Kevdude you have 24h from this post to voluntarily resign this position or my assertion of the subverse being corrupt will be validated and I will resign my own position as I cannot in good conscience participate in a sub that is a willing participant in this type of moderator conduct.
Second point:
The two [O] level mods can only in unanimous agreement invite another [O] level mod. (kingkongwaswrong is absentee and considered an automatic nay vote)
I did not endorse or approve this action which makes your position here nonviable and in contravention of the rules of this sub. @crensch I am very disappointed in this unilateral action you have taken and I disagree with it absolutely and unreservedly.
The removal of @millennial_falcon is a violation of the operating method of this sub and is something I consider further evidence of a hostile takeover attempt by external forces.
I consider this an overtly hostile action towards my position here and I am against all and any actions, rule changes and additions to the mod team that have been made without my consultation.
All these changes have been made in an uncharacteristic haste when all previously standing orders have been to apply patience and to wait before making drastic actions as witnessed here. (three days is not enough time to resolve this)
I now consider this entire subverse to be potentially in the hands of the very people I have been trying to work against and I am very disappointed that the derail and destruct attempts by the external forces have shown to be effective in causing this sub to fall into their hands.
And for anyone who thinks @millennial_falcon has done a poor job of moderating, not a single one of you has requested or made an effort to do a better job yourselves.
And in that single failure of action you have all shown your true motivations.
It should have been obvious to all of you that the subverse has been under constant and periodic attack from people with ambiguous motivations and the moderators of this subverse have been targeted for being the scapegoat to bring about exactly these types of changes as a way to open a wedge in the management of the subverse.
The only sensible thing I've seen from all this is the proposed 24h grace period for questionable posts.
That is something I can support.
Gee thanx. Have you been posting here and had to tolerate his modding as much as we have? Getting a new mod is the best thing that has happened here in a year. I don't even believe this. I really don't.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but I am the other [O] level moderator of this verse, and all the things I have listed in the above comment are true to the operating rules and standards this sub has been held to from the beginning.
I am well aware of all of the criticisms leveled at all the moderators, and my commentary (which is public) has been consistent from the beginning.
While I am not visbily participatory in the subverse I am constantly monitoring it for exactly this kind of hostile takeover attempt, which you seem to be the lead advocate for.
While I am not visbily participatory in the subverse I am constantly monitoring it for exactly this kind of hostile takeover attempt, which you seem to be the lead advocate for.
I am here every day. I am only trying to participate in making a better sub. I am not part of anything hostile or any takeovers. Us regular users have felt for a long time that we have been held hostage. There are two sides to this equation.
I am not part of anything hostile or any takeovers.
I don't believe you (but refer to my previous comment, it applies to me too)
What I have seen from you is a constant participation, but one that is consistently disruptive and requires significant effort to counter your attempts to re-direct the focus of the subverse away from the core purpose.
Us regular users
I'm a regular user too, I upvote and downvote content as much as I can, and I've even advocated for borderline posts to be left alone as they generated great discussion.
I am only trying to participate in making a better sub.
I can believe and would be happy to accept this, if you posted quality content and helped posters that ran afoul of the rules but would otherwise have great content.
If you want to gain my support, do more of this, be pro active in fostering and nurturing posters of content.
I can believe and would be happy to accept this, if you posted quality content and helped posters that ran afoul of the rules but would otherwise have great content.
I don't know if you noticed but a lot of us quit wasting our time spending hours preparing things because of the moderation. You can blame it on us but we don't think its all our fault.
I don't believe you (but refer to my previous comment, it applies to me too)
I wish you did because its true. I'm just one of the few brave enough to speak with the possibility of getting banned.
I don't know if you noticed but a lot of us quit wasting our time spending hours preparing things because of the moderation. You can blame it on us but we don't think its all our fault.
I do blame you, your commitment is lacking and the very thing that makes me interpret your actions as that of a disruptor.
If you're serious, commit the time, take the action and persist. Show me you are what you say you are.
I'm just one of the few brave enough to speak with the possibility of getting banned.
I don't see anything you've done so far as being something as warranting a ban, and I request, formally, that you contact me directly if you are banned and I will remove it as quick as I can.
I can disagree with you all I want, but nothing so far warrants a ban and my disagreement is vastly insufficient to even permit a ban.
I can disagree with you all I want, but nothing so far warrants a ban and my disagreement is vastly insufficient to even permit a ban.
It would be nice if everybody was a level headed. Falcon banned a user for simply saying "there are some good posts in the deleted submissions area." The community raised all amounts of hell until he finally unbanned her. I am not making a false claim its true. He does not deny it. @2impendingdoom confirms it in this thread. Other mods aware of it. There are others.
I do blame you, your commitment is lacking
The poster is always wrong is a common theme. Sometimes it really is the mod.
The poster is always wrong is a common theme. Sometimes it really is the mod.
Mods can fail, and often do.
But I did not say "the poster is always wrong", I questioned your commitment to making the subverse better.
This is the kind of deflection that makes me suspect you and your intentions.
This is the kind of deflection that makes me suspect you and your intentions.
Deflection. Another term for you are always wrong. And I am not deflecting. Its the truth in this sub. You know that. You can nit pick me on the word "always" if you want to but essentially you know I am telling the truth because you see what goes on around here.
You deflected. And you are furthering that deflection. You could take a moment to self reflect on this if you are as you claim to be.
essentially you know I am telling the truth because you see what goes on around here
I do see what goes on around here.
And you are not telling the truth, because your comment implies I said a thing that I did not - this is deflection and is misleading.
You are misleading people towards a conclusion that is not true.
Think on this, consider it and if I can see you have done this I will reconsider my opinion of you
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VictorSteinerDavion ago
First point:
Making @kevdude an [O] level mod is directly against the operating rules of this subreddit and I explicitly do not condone this action and I now consider this 'verse corrupt and in the middle of a takeover by corrupt forces.
Kevdude you have 24h from this post to voluntarily resign this position or my assertion of the subverse being corrupt will be validated and I will resign my own position as I cannot in good conscience participate in a sub that is a willing participant in this type of moderator conduct.
Second point:
The two [O] level mods can only in unanimous agreement invite another [O] level mod. (kingkongwaswrong is absentee and considered an automatic nay vote)
I did not endorse or approve this action which makes your position here nonviable and in contravention of the rules of this sub.
@crensch I am very disappointed in this unilateral action you have taken and I disagree with it absolutely and unreservedly.
The removal of @millennial_falcon is a violation of the operating method of this sub and is something I consider further evidence of a hostile takeover attempt by external forces.
I consider this an overtly hostile action towards my position here and I am against all and any actions, rule changes and additions to the mod team that have been made without my consultation.
All these changes have been made in an uncharacteristic haste when all previously standing orders have been to apply patience and to wait before making drastic actions as witnessed here. (three days is not enough time to resolve this)
I now consider this entire subverse to be potentially in the hands of the very people I have been trying to work against and I am very disappointed that the derail and destruct attempts by the external forces have shown to be effective in causing this sub to fall into their hands.
And for anyone who thinks @millennial_falcon has done a poor job of moderating, not a single one of you has requested or made an effort to do a better job yourselves.
And in that single failure of action you have all shown your true motivations.
It should have been obvious to all of you that the subverse has been under constant and periodic attack from people with ambiguous motivations and the moderators of this subverse have been targeted for being the scapegoat to bring about exactly these types of changes as a way to open a wedge in the management of the subverse.
The only sensible thing I've seen from all this is the proposed 24h grace period for questionable posts.
That is something I can support.
As for the rest, revert or be shown to be corrupt
ESOTERICshade ago
Gee thanx. Have you been posting here and had to tolerate his modding as much as we have? Getting a new mod is the best thing that has happened here in a year. I don't even believe this. I really don't.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I'm not sure if you're aware, but I am the other [O] level moderator of this verse, and all the things I have listed in the above comment are true to the operating rules and standards this sub has been held to from the beginning.
I am well aware of all of the criticisms leveled at all the moderators, and my commentary (which is public) has been consistent from the beginning.
While I am not visbily participatory in the subverse I am constantly monitoring it for exactly this kind of hostile takeover attempt, which you seem to be the lead advocate for.
Your belief is not required.
ESOTERICshade ago
I am here every day. I am only trying to participate in making a better sub. I am not part of anything hostile or any takeovers. Us regular users have felt for a long time that we have been held hostage. There are two sides to this equation.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I don't believe you (but refer to my previous comment, it applies to me too)
What I have seen from you is a constant participation, but one that is consistently disruptive and requires significant effort to counter your attempts to re-direct the focus of the subverse away from the core purpose.
I'm a regular user too, I upvote and downvote content as much as I can, and I've even advocated for borderline posts to be left alone as they generated great discussion.
I can believe and would be happy to accept this, if you posted quality content and helped posters that ran afoul of the rules but would otherwise have great content.
If you want to gain my support, do more of this, be pro active in fostering and nurturing posters of content.
ESOTERICshade ago
I don't know if you noticed but a lot of us quit wasting our time spending hours preparing things because of the moderation. You can blame it on us but we don't think its all our fault.
I wish you did because its true. I'm just one of the few brave enough to speak with the possibility of getting banned.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I do blame you, your commitment is lacking and the very thing that makes me interpret your actions as that of a disruptor.
If you're serious, commit the time, take the action and persist. Show me you are what you say you are.
I don't see anything you've done so far as being something as warranting a ban, and I request, formally, that you contact me directly if you are banned and I will remove it as quick as I can.
I can disagree with you all I want, but nothing so far warrants a ban and my disagreement is vastly insufficient to even permit a ban.
ESOTERICshade ago
It would be nice if everybody was a level headed. Falcon banned a user for simply saying "there are some good posts in the deleted submissions area." The community raised all amounts of hell until he finally unbanned her. I am not making a false claim its true. He does not deny it. @2impendingdoom confirms it in this thread. Other mods aware of it. There are others.
The poster is always wrong is a common theme. Sometimes it really is the mod.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Mods can fail, and often do.
But I did not say "the poster is always wrong", I questioned your commitment to making the subverse better.
This is the kind of deflection that makes me suspect you and your intentions.
ESOTERICshade ago
Deflection. Another term for you are always wrong. And I am not deflecting. Its the truth in this sub. You know that. You can nit pick me on the word "always" if you want to but essentially you know I am telling the truth because you see what goes on around here.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
You deflected. And you are furthering that deflection. You could take a moment to self reflect on this if you are as you claim to be.
I do see what goes on around here.
And you are not telling the truth, because your comment implies I said a thing that I did not - this is deflection and is misleading.
You are misleading people towards a conclusion that is not true.
Think on this, consider it and if I can see you have done this I will reconsider my opinion of you
ESOTERICshade ago
Some priceless bullshit right there. And you thought that would fly exactly why?