Making @kevdude an [O] level mod is directly against the operating rules of this subreddit and I explicitly do not condone this action and I now consider this 'verse corrupt and in the middle of a takeover by corrupt forces.
Kevdude you have 24h from this post to voluntarily resign this position or my assertion of the subverse being corrupt will be validated and I will resign my own position as I cannot in good conscience participate in a sub that is a willing participant in this type of moderator conduct.
Second point:
The two [O] level mods can only in unanimous agreement invite another [O] level mod. (kingkongwaswrong is absentee and considered an automatic nay vote)
I did not endorse or approve this action which makes your position here nonviable and in contravention of the rules of this sub. @crensch I am very disappointed in this unilateral action you have taken and I disagree with it absolutely and unreservedly.
The removal of @millennial_falcon is a violation of the operating method of this sub and is something I consider further evidence of a hostile takeover attempt by external forces.
I consider this an overtly hostile action towards my position here and I am against all and any actions, rule changes and additions to the mod team that have been made without my consultation.
All these changes have been made in an uncharacteristic haste when all previously standing orders have been to apply patience and to wait before making drastic actions as witnessed here. (three days is not enough time to resolve this)
I now consider this entire subverse to be potentially in the hands of the very people I have been trying to work against and I am very disappointed that the derail and destruct attempts by the external forces have shown to be effective in causing this sub to fall into their hands.
And for anyone who thinks @millennial_falcon has done a poor job of moderating, not a single one of you has requested or made an effort to do a better job yourselves.
And in that single failure of action you have all shown your true motivations.
It should have been obvious to all of you that the subverse has been under constant and periodic attack from people with ambiguous motivations and the moderators of this subverse have been targeted for being the scapegoat to bring about exactly these types of changes as a way to open a wedge in the management of the subverse.
The only sensible thing I've seen from all this is the proposed 24h grace period for questionable posts.
That is something I can support.
Gee thanx. Have you been posting here and had to tolerate his modding as much as we have? Getting a new mod is the best thing that has happened here in a year. I don't even believe this. I really don't.
I'm not sure if you're aware, but I am the other [O] level moderator of this verse, and all the things I have listed in the above comment are true to the operating rules and standards this sub has been held to from the beginning.
I am well aware of all of the criticisms leveled at all the moderators, and my commentary (which is public) has been consistent from the beginning.
While I am not visbily participatory in the subverse I am constantly monitoring it for exactly this kind of hostile takeover attempt, which you seem to be the lead advocate for.
While I am not visbily participatory in the subverse I am constantly monitoring it for exactly this kind of hostile takeover attempt, which you seem to be the lead advocate for.
I am here every day. I am only trying to participate in making a better sub. I am not part of anything hostile or any takeovers. Us regular users have felt for a long time that we have been held hostage. There are two sides to this equation.
I am not part of anything hostile or any takeovers.
I don't believe you (but refer to my previous comment, it applies to me too)
What I have seen from you is a constant participation, but one that is consistently disruptive and requires significant effort to counter your attempts to re-direct the focus of the subverse away from the core purpose.
Us regular users
I'm a regular user too, I upvote and downvote content as much as I can, and I've even advocated for borderline posts to be left alone as they generated great discussion.
I am only trying to participate in making a better sub.
I can believe and would be happy to accept this, if you posted quality content and helped posters that ran afoul of the rules but would otherwise have great content.
If you want to gain my support, do more of this, be pro active in fostering and nurturing posters of content.
I can believe and would be happy to accept this, if you posted quality content and helped posters that ran afoul of the rules but would otherwise have great content.
I don't know if you noticed but a lot of us quit wasting our time spending hours preparing things because of the moderation. You can blame it on us but we don't think its all our fault.
I don't believe you (but refer to my previous comment, it applies to me too)
I wish you did because its true. I'm just one of the few brave enough to speak with the possibility of getting banned.
I don't know if you noticed but a lot of us quit wasting our time spending hours preparing things because of the moderation. You can blame it on us but we don't think its all our fault.
I do blame you, your commitment is lacking and the very thing that makes me interpret your actions as that of a disruptor.
If you're serious, commit the time, take the action and persist. Show me you are what you say you are.
I'm just one of the few brave enough to speak with the possibility of getting banned.
I don't see anything you've done so far as being something as warranting a ban, and I request, formally, that you contact me directly if you are banned and I will remove it as quick as I can.
I can disagree with you all I want, but nothing so far warrants a ban and my disagreement is vastly insufficient to even permit a ban.
I can disagree with you all I want, but nothing so far warrants a ban and my disagreement is vastly insufficient to even permit a ban.
It would be nice if everybody was a level headed. Falcon banned a user for simply saying "there are some good posts in the deleted submissions area." The community raised all amounts of hell until he finally unbanned her. I am not making a false claim its true. He does not deny it. @2impendingdoom confirms it in this thread. Other mods aware of it. There are others.
I do blame you, your commitment is lacking
The poster is always wrong is a common theme. Sometimes it really is the mod.
The poster is always wrong is a common theme. Sometimes it really is the mod.
Mods can fail, and often do.
But I did not say "the poster is always wrong", I questioned your commitment to making the subverse better.
This is the kind of deflection that makes me suspect you and your intentions.
I questioned your commitment to making the subverse better.
My committment was to help @vindicator and @kevdude make a better sub. You may not agree with what I am committed to but it is committment none the less. You can define my committment any way you like but as I am defining the term it reflects my intentions. If you interpret lack of committment with disagreement about how Falcon mods you are not defining my intentions correctly.
And you further deflect by clearly not addressing the issue of you deflecting.
you interpret lack of committment with disagreement about how Falcon mods you are not defining my intentions correctly.
I do not see you working with members of the community to help draft and post better content and I do not see you taking the effort to go through deleted posts and help the poster make them better.
I have seen no action of yours that grows the community.
I have seen action of yours that destructs the community through negativity and constant complaining.
Do more of the first and less of the second if you want me to take you seriously.
What about your mod banning people for simply speaking a sentence. The poster said "some of the better posts are in the deleted submissions bin" and got banned. Is that how the mods are allowed to operate without being removed?
There is not such thing as "my mod".
You are creating a false reality with your first sentence that is misleading.
Please correct this and I request you make better efforts to not mislead readers through manipulations like this
But.
Please link me to this comment and the user so I can investigate
If I were to spend that amount of time looking for it and I find it. And it is as simple as I say it is and my words are truthful. Will this rise to the level of having the mod removed? This will be difficult to find but it is not impossible because I know two people that will know where to look. What is the penalty for a mod for such an action as I described?
Will this rise to the level of having the mod removed?
It will rise to the level of having the user unbanned if they were banned unjustly.
What is the penalty for a mod for such an action as I described?
At the moment the penalty is censure, of which M_F already has one from me, if M_F was the mod that banned the user unjustly it would earn a second sanction and I would officially warn that mod that they are on a last step before permanent removal.
When a mod is on a last step, I am extremely sensitive to mod abuse and the mod in question would have to be a perfect angel in their conduct from that point forward.
I request you address the first part of my comment, the part that deals with you misrepresenting the facts and request you post an edit to that comment that reflects a clarification of your message that is more factual and bedded in reality.
I request you address the first part of my comment, the part that deals with you misrepresenting the facts and request you post an edit to that comment that reflects a clarification of your message that is more factual and bedded in reality.
Done.
If I can provide two instances of a mod in this subverse banning a person for the scenario I previously described will that count as three instances and result in the removal of the mod? The mod is Falcon. In the other instance the reason he gave the poster was "because it amuses me." Vindicator had to get that poster unbanned. If I spend the time to provide you with these examples will it result in the removal of the mod?
Please do link the user and comment that got them banned so I can determine if they should be unbanned and M_F censured.
If I can provide two instances of a mod in this subverse banning a person for the scenario
This crosses the threshold of being a witch hunt, as you have only introduced this question after you gained an answer that would produce the outcome you seek.
If I spend the time to provide you with these examples will it result in the removal of the mod?
For the first time you are honest with your intentions.
You are, and have been, on a long running witch hunt to ban a moderator from this subverse, yet to this date you have refused and/or failed to use the tools provided to you in /v/pizzagatemods and /v/pizzagewhatever or by directly contacting me.
You are not acting honestly and with good faith, you are manipulating and are using deception to gain your objective.
This marks your objective (to get M_F banned) as being an overt take over attempt of the subverse, and marks you as being a disruptor of the subverse.
BUT, and it's a big but, do not think for one second that I will dance to your tune and ban M_F because you fabricated a situation where you can scream "gotcha" and use my above comments in support of your witch hunt.
@Crensch - please add and monitor this user as they are now identified as a distruptor and a corrupting influence on the pizzage community.
I will unban the user if I deem it appropriate, but from this point forward I will ignore any and every attempt from you and alts I have identified as being you to ban any (and I mean any) moderator of this subverse.
In this comment I speak as a moderator and this is my official stance.
You are branded as a known shill, a known corrupter and a known time waster.
Please go and cry to anyone and everyone and link to this comment in your future deceptions.
Wow! I will have to re read this before I make any further comments but WOW! I'm shocked .. I can see what's happening here and it's not a " hostile takeover "
Wow! I will have to re read this before I make any further comments but WOW! I'm shocked .. I can see what's happening here and it's not a " hostile takeover "
Yep. We gonna get one of those GPS dog collars like ESO got. These people are power hungry ego maniacs and maybe worse.
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VictorSteinerDavion ago
First point:
Making @kevdude an [O] level mod is directly against the operating rules of this subreddit and I explicitly do not condone this action and I now consider this 'verse corrupt and in the middle of a takeover by corrupt forces.
Kevdude you have 24h from this post to voluntarily resign this position or my assertion of the subverse being corrupt will be validated and I will resign my own position as I cannot in good conscience participate in a sub that is a willing participant in this type of moderator conduct.
Second point:
The two [O] level mods can only in unanimous agreement invite another [O] level mod. (kingkongwaswrong is absentee and considered an automatic nay vote)
I did not endorse or approve this action which makes your position here nonviable and in contravention of the rules of this sub.
@crensch I am very disappointed in this unilateral action you have taken and I disagree with it absolutely and unreservedly.
The removal of @millennial_falcon is a violation of the operating method of this sub and is something I consider further evidence of a hostile takeover attempt by external forces.
I consider this an overtly hostile action towards my position here and I am against all and any actions, rule changes and additions to the mod team that have been made without my consultation.
All these changes have been made in an uncharacteristic haste when all previously standing orders have been to apply patience and to wait before making drastic actions as witnessed here. (three days is not enough time to resolve this)
I now consider this entire subverse to be potentially in the hands of the very people I have been trying to work against and I am very disappointed that the derail and destruct attempts by the external forces have shown to be effective in causing this sub to fall into their hands.
And for anyone who thinks @millennial_falcon has done a poor job of moderating, not a single one of you has requested or made an effort to do a better job yourselves.
And in that single failure of action you have all shown your true motivations.
It should have been obvious to all of you that the subverse has been under constant and periodic attack from people with ambiguous motivations and the moderators of this subverse have been targeted for being the scapegoat to bring about exactly these types of changes as a way to open a wedge in the management of the subverse.
The only sensible thing I've seen from all this is the proposed 24h grace period for questionable posts.
That is something I can support.
As for the rest, revert or be shown to be corrupt
ESOTERICshade ago
Gee thanx. Have you been posting here and had to tolerate his modding as much as we have? Getting a new mod is the best thing that has happened here in a year. I don't even believe this. I really don't.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I'm not sure if you're aware, but I am the other [O] level moderator of this verse, and all the things I have listed in the above comment are true to the operating rules and standards this sub has been held to from the beginning.
I am well aware of all of the criticisms leveled at all the moderators, and my commentary (which is public) has been consistent from the beginning.
While I am not visbily participatory in the subverse I am constantly monitoring it for exactly this kind of hostile takeover attempt, which you seem to be the lead advocate for.
Your belief is not required.
ESOTERICshade ago
I am here every day. I am only trying to participate in making a better sub. I am not part of anything hostile or any takeovers. Us regular users have felt for a long time that we have been held hostage. There are two sides to this equation.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I don't believe you (but refer to my previous comment, it applies to me too)
What I have seen from you is a constant participation, but one that is consistently disruptive and requires significant effort to counter your attempts to re-direct the focus of the subverse away from the core purpose.
I'm a regular user too, I upvote and downvote content as much as I can, and I've even advocated for borderline posts to be left alone as they generated great discussion.
I can believe and would be happy to accept this, if you posted quality content and helped posters that ran afoul of the rules but would otherwise have great content.
If you want to gain my support, do more of this, be pro active in fostering and nurturing posters of content.
ESOTERICshade ago
I don't know if you noticed but a lot of us quit wasting our time spending hours preparing things because of the moderation. You can blame it on us but we don't think its all our fault.
I wish you did because its true. I'm just one of the few brave enough to speak with the possibility of getting banned.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
I do blame you, your commitment is lacking and the very thing that makes me interpret your actions as that of a disruptor.
If you're serious, commit the time, take the action and persist. Show me you are what you say you are.
I don't see anything you've done so far as being something as warranting a ban, and I request, formally, that you contact me directly if you are banned and I will remove it as quick as I can.
I can disagree with you all I want, but nothing so far warrants a ban and my disagreement is vastly insufficient to even permit a ban.
ESOTERICshade ago
It would be nice if everybody was a level headed. Falcon banned a user for simply saying "there are some good posts in the deleted submissions area." The community raised all amounts of hell until he finally unbanned her. I am not making a false claim its true. He does not deny it. @2impendingdoom confirms it in this thread. Other mods aware of it. There are others.
The poster is always wrong is a common theme. Sometimes it really is the mod.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Mods can fail, and often do.
But I did not say "the poster is always wrong", I questioned your commitment to making the subverse better.
This is the kind of deflection that makes me suspect you and your intentions.
ESOTERICshade ago
My committment was to help @vindicator and @kevdude make a better sub. You may not agree with what I am committed to but it is committment none the less. You can define my committment any way you like but as I am defining the term it reflects my intentions. If you interpret lack of committment with disagreement about how Falcon mods you are not defining my intentions correctly.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
And you further deflect by clearly not addressing the issue of you deflecting.
I do not see you working with members of the community to help draft and post better content and I do not see you taking the effort to go through deleted posts and help the poster make them better.
I have seen no action of yours that grows the community.
I have seen action of yours that destructs the community through negativity and constant complaining.
Do more of the first and less of the second if you want me to take you seriously.
ESOTERICshade ago
What about your mod banning people for simply speaking a sentence. The poster said "some of the better posts are in the deleted submissions bin" and got banned. Is that how the mods are allowed to operate without being removed?
VictorSteinerDavion ago
There is not such thing as "my mod".
You are creating a false reality with your first sentence that is misleading.
Please correct this and I request you make better efforts to not mislead readers through manipulations like this
But.
Please link me to this comment and the user so I can investigate
ESOTERICshade ago
If I were to spend that amount of time looking for it and I find it. And it is as simple as I say it is and my words are truthful. Will this rise to the level of having the mod removed? This will be difficult to find but it is not impossible because I know two people that will know where to look. What is the penalty for a mod for such an action as I described?
VictorSteinerDavion ago
It will rise to the level of having the user unbanned if they were banned unjustly.
At the moment the penalty is censure, of which M_F already has one from me, if M_F was the mod that banned the user unjustly it would earn a second sanction and I would officially warn that mod that they are on a last step before permanent removal.
When a mod is on a last step, I am extremely sensitive to mod abuse and the mod in question would have to be a perfect angel in their conduct from that point forward.
I request you address the first part of my comment, the part that deals with you misrepresenting the facts and request you post an edit to that comment that reflects a clarification of your message that is more factual and bedded in reality.
ESOTERICshade ago
Done.
If I can provide two instances of a mod in this subverse banning a person for the scenario I previously described will that count as three instances and result in the removal of the mod? The mod is Falcon. In the other instance the reason he gave the poster was "because it amuses me." Vindicator had to get that poster unbanned. If I spend the time to provide you with these examples will it result in the removal of the mod?
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Please do link the user and comment that got them banned so I can determine if they should be unbanned and M_F censured.
This crosses the threshold of being a witch hunt, as you have only introduced this question after you gained an answer that would produce the outcome you seek.
For the first time you are honest with your intentions.
You are, and have been, on a long running witch hunt to ban a moderator from this subverse, yet to this date you have refused and/or failed to use the tools provided to you in /v/pizzagatemods and /v/pizzagewhatever or by directly contacting me.
You are not acting honestly and with good faith, you are manipulating and are using deception to gain your objective.
This marks your objective (to get M_F banned) as being an overt take over attempt of the subverse, and marks you as being a disruptor of the subverse.
BUT, and it's a big but, do not think for one second that I will dance to your tune and ban M_F because you fabricated a situation where you can scream "gotcha" and use my above comments in support of your witch hunt.
@Crensch - please add and monitor this user as they are now identified as a distruptor and a corrupting influence on the pizzage community.
I will unban the user if I deem it appropriate, but from this point forward I will ignore any and every attempt from you and alts I have identified as being you to ban any (and I mean any) moderator of this subverse.
In this comment I speak as a moderator and this is my official stance.
You are branded as a known shill, a known corrupter and a known time waster.
Please go and cry to anyone and everyone and link to this comment in your future deceptions.
Cc1914 ago
Wow! I will have to re read this before I make any further comments but WOW! I'm shocked .. I can see what's happening here and it's not a " hostile takeover "
dragonkiller ago
Yep. We gonna get one of those GPS dog collars like ESO got. These people are power hungry ego maniacs and maybe worse.