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Votescam ago

hnmmm ....

Don't know what anyone else thinks ... But my feeling about trying to understand the Satanic rituals would be like trying to make sense out of nonsense. Organized patriarchal religions invented the "Devil" and "Satan" - and "Heaven" and "Hell" in order to frighten their members into obedience. Their effort is to cause the world to live in FEAR -- and CHAOS when they can create it - which makes their deceptions and criminal acts easier to carry off. This doesn't mean that the violence of these religions isn't real. It is. Always has been.

The Old World Religions were based in NATURE. There were No "Devils" and No "Satans" and No "Heaven" and No "Hell."

tholinz ago

It depends on what you’re talking about. Satanism is different than paganism, which in itself comes in dozens of different varieties in its modern form, and it still distinct from the religions practiced in the past. You can’t conflate these things and expect to understand how any of it operates, any more than you can play with magnets and think you’re learning something about how your blood carries oxygen. Pre-Christian and non-Western animist traditions (what you’re talking about) have nothing to do with Satanism.

The occult is a deliberate appeal to the evil things of Christian mythology. It’s not synonymous with European paganism in any way, and it has very few similarities with non-European pagan or animistic traditions as they were actually practiced. The occult is syncretic, in that it borrows ideas or deities from other mythologies (such as Egyptian; Egyptian seems to be popular) but that doesn’t mean it’s an authentic expression of that. For example, nobody in 3000 BC though Isis was a demon, but that might be how she gets interpreted in occult circles. There are a number of magic-oriented religions (Voodoo, Santeria) that are combinations of Christian mythology and indigenous practices that a Christian might label Satanic in nature, but can’t be properly described that way in accordance with their own mythology. It gets really complicated really fast.

As to your question about Satanic rituals being “nonsense”, that’s not entirely true even from a secular academic read. Again, depending on what kind of Satanism somebody is engaging in, there can be (and often is) a high degree of internal logic with clearly delineated beliefs. Rituals might be very well spelled out, with expectations that specific spells, incantations, or sacrificial practices lead to specific results. Whether or not that translates into real-world consequences is a different question. Scrying (for example) doesn’t have to have repeatable, scientific results for there to be a prescribed way to conduct it.

I’m sure there are plenty of little edgelord atheists who view Satanism as little more than a way of telling Christianity to go fuck itself. THere are also likely people who pay lip service to certain occult ideas or beliefs as a cynical attempt to distract or justify their very a-religious depravity. There are other groups that take the idea of embracing the demonic very, very seriously. They take the rules very seriously. It’s not chaos to these people; it’s a short cut to get what they want, and if they have to embrace evil to get it, that’s not a problem.

The goal here is power and control, over both other people and the forces of nature. It’s also about the idea that we are nothing more than animals rutting in the filth of this world. I could speak to how Christians view this, but I admit that I can’t fully put my mind in the headspace of a truely devote Satanist; what I believe about Satan means its impossible for me to understand why somebody would want to dedicate themselves to that. I can’t wrap my head around it any more than I can understand why somebody would molest a baby.

I get what you’re saying, though. Since you believe that there is no such thing as heaven or hell, there’s no point in talking about Satanism cause it’s not “real”. Well, Scientology is not only unproven, but disproven, but understanding the rules of their religion and how its adherents live their lives is key to understanding what they do. It’s also key to knowing how to win against them.

I don’t know what kind of self-declared Satanists we’re dealing with amongst the global elite - likely a mixture of both the happy cynics and true believers - but some knowledge of what they believe and what they do is a good thing to have.

From a Christian perspective, as somebody who does believe in heaven and hell, exposing yourself to this stuff isn’t something you should do lightly, if at all. Christianity believes that this is real and had real power, and is not something you ever want to screw around with. (Of course, there are plenty of happy cynics in Christianity that don’t really believe in evil either, but that’s a whole different conversation).

Votescam ago

thol --

WHAT in heavens name are you talking about?

Male-supremacist religion/"Christianity" had the power to label people "pagans" which was a method they used to STEAL native land and their natural resources.

You're showing us how brainwashed you are by religion.

"Christians" who wanted to steal land from natives (all over the world) simply thought up the method of branding them as something evil so they could steal their land and goods.

As the native people make clear ...

"When they came they had the book and we had the land.

When they left, we had the book and they had the land."

Religion is BS -- and so was labeling native people "pagans ... only fit to be fed to dogs" BS...

So was enslaving Africans here just more violence by "white males" who were too lazy to do their own work.

Again, NATIVE PEOPLE ARE NOT EVIL ... IT IS 'CHRISTIANITY' WHICH IS EVIL.

The difference between Scientology and myths of "Devil" and "Satan" is that Scientology is a very obvious scam, but while it is a cult, it doesn't as yet have armies.

Christianity had armies -- Christianity traveled the world "introducing the cross with the sword."

Christianity ran "Crusades, Inquisitions and Burned people at the stake -- women simply because they were a challenge to males who wanted to dominate and control others.

Best description I know of feminism is by Marilyn French --

"FEMINISM IS ANTI-DOMINATION BOF ANYONE BY ANYONE ELSE"

One of the major reasons for not trying to understand nonsense is that you give it power.

And I think we can look at the people among us who do evil and see how they destroy themselves... Nixon and LBJ are two who come to mind. Hared is self-destructive. So is violence ... because it is impossible to do violence to others without harming yourself.

Meanwhile, here are two thoughts .....

"Religion is regarded by the Common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."

I do tend to think that there is a universal spirituality -- This is a liberal nation which doesn't support those with fascist instincts, or those who do want war and who continue on in violence.
This is a nation which wants to be Norway -- being ruled by fascists over the last decades.

And, yes, it is about the paranoid among us trying to gain control over others -- and its suicidal

The world's major religions used to teach REINCARNATION which is a concept of "eternal life." Not sure that I want to live 100 or 1000 lives ... but the teachings became "inconvenient" for Elites as people began to consider their next lives.

By the way, if you're male you will come back as a female.

And if you're female, you'll come back as a male. (UGH!)

ESOTERICshade ago

Male-supremacist religion/"Christianity" had the power to label people "pagans" which was a method they used to STEAL native land and their natural resources.

Just go ahead and say it. Say "fuck white males" and get it over with.