I don't know much about the occult, and frankly I feel like I know more than I would like to about satanic ritual child abuse. I saw an article on hacker news about a large library of occult books being released for free on the internet and thought some of you sleuths might be able to find interesting pieces regarding the roots of the modern day occult practices of the elites.
This is relevant to pizzagate because spirit cooking and other occult rituals are used by the elites today for either religious or blackmailing purposes. The occult books in this release may aid in understanding the psychology of the elite and their motivations for the horrific practices they institute.
Here is the article:
http://www.openculture.com/2017/12/3500-occult-manuscripts-will-be-digitized-made-freely-available-online.html
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Votescam ago
hnmmm ....
Don't know what anyone else thinks ... But my feeling about trying to understand the Satanic rituals would be like trying to make sense out of nonsense. Organized patriarchal religions invented the "Devil" and "Satan" - and "Heaven" and "Hell" in order to frighten their members into obedience. Their effort is to cause the world to live in FEAR -- and CHAOS when they can create it - which makes their deceptions and criminal acts easier to carry off. This doesn't mean that the violence of these religions isn't real. It is. Always has been.
The Old World Religions were based in NATURE. There were No "Devils" and No "Satans" and No "Heaven" and No "Hell."
tholinz ago
It depends on what you’re talking about. Satanism is different than paganism, which in itself comes in dozens of different varieties in its modern form, and it still distinct from the religions practiced in the past. You can’t conflate these things and expect to understand how any of it operates, any more than you can play with magnets and think you’re learning something about how your blood carries oxygen. Pre-Christian and non-Western animist traditions (what you’re talking about) have nothing to do with Satanism.
The occult is a deliberate appeal to the evil things of Christian mythology. It’s not synonymous with European paganism in any way, and it has very few similarities with non-European pagan or animistic traditions as they were actually practiced. The occult is syncretic, in that it borrows ideas or deities from other mythologies (such as Egyptian; Egyptian seems to be popular) but that doesn’t mean it’s an authentic expression of that. For example, nobody in 3000 BC though Isis was a demon, but that might be how she gets interpreted in occult circles. There are a number of magic-oriented religions (Voodoo, Santeria) that are combinations of Christian mythology and indigenous practices that a Christian might label Satanic in nature, but can’t be properly described that way in accordance with their own mythology. It gets really complicated really fast.
As to your question about Satanic rituals being “nonsense”, that’s not entirely true even from a secular academic read. Again, depending on what kind of Satanism somebody is engaging in, there can be (and often is) a high degree of internal logic with clearly delineated beliefs. Rituals might be very well spelled out, with expectations that specific spells, incantations, or sacrificial practices lead to specific results. Whether or not that translates into real-world consequences is a different question. Scrying (for example) doesn’t have to have repeatable, scientific results for there to be a prescribed way to conduct it.
I’m sure there are plenty of little edgelord atheists who view Satanism as little more than a way of telling Christianity to go fuck itself. THere are also likely people who pay lip service to certain occult ideas or beliefs as a cynical attempt to distract or justify their very a-religious depravity. There are other groups that take the idea of embracing the demonic very, very seriously. They take the rules very seriously. It’s not chaos to these people; it’s a short cut to get what they want, and if they have to embrace evil to get it, that’s not a problem.
The goal here is power and control, over both other people and the forces of nature. It’s also about the idea that we are nothing more than animals rutting in the filth of this world. I could speak to how Christians view this, but I admit that I can’t fully put my mind in the headspace of a truely devote Satanist; what I believe about Satan means its impossible for me to understand why somebody would want to dedicate themselves to that. I can’t wrap my head around it any more than I can understand why somebody would molest a baby.
I get what you’re saying, though. Since you believe that there is no such thing as heaven or hell, there’s no point in talking about Satanism cause it’s not “real”. Well, Scientology is not only unproven, but disproven, but understanding the rules of their religion and how its adherents live their lives is key to understanding what they do. It’s also key to knowing how to win against them.
I don’t know what kind of self-declared Satanists we’re dealing with amongst the global elite - likely a mixture of both the happy cynics and true believers - but some knowledge of what they believe and what they do is a good thing to have.
From a Christian perspective, as somebody who does believe in heaven and hell, exposing yourself to this stuff isn’t something you should do lightly, if at all. Christianity believes that this is real and had real power, and is not something you ever want to screw around with. (Of course, there are plenty of happy cynics in Christianity that don’t really believe in evil either, but that’s a whole different conversation).
Votescam ago
thol --
WHAT in heavens name are you talking about?
Male-supremacist religion/"Christianity" had the power to label people "pagans" which was a method they used to STEAL native land and their natural resources.
You're showing us how brainwashed you are by religion.
"Christians" who wanted to steal land from natives (all over the world) simply thought up the method of branding them as something evil so they could steal their land and goods.
As the native people make clear ...
"When they came they had the book and we had the land.
When they left, we had the book and they had the land."
Religion is BS -- and so was labeling native people "pagans ... only fit to be fed to dogs" BS...
So was enslaving Africans here just more violence by "white males" who were too lazy to do their own work.
Again, NATIVE PEOPLE ARE NOT EVIL ... IT IS 'CHRISTIANITY' WHICH IS EVIL.
The difference between Scientology and myths of "Devil" and "Satan" is that Scientology is a very obvious scam, but while it is a cult, it doesn't as yet have armies.
Christianity had armies -- Christianity traveled the world "introducing the cross with the sword."
Christianity ran "Crusades, Inquisitions and Burned people at the stake -- women simply because they were a challenge to males who wanted to dominate and control others.
Best description I know of feminism is by Marilyn French --
"FEMINISM IS ANTI-DOMINATION BOF ANYONE BY ANYONE ELSE"
One of the major reasons for not trying to understand nonsense is that you give it power.
And I think we can look at the people among us who do evil and see how they destroy themselves... Nixon and LBJ are two who come to mind. Hared is self-destructive. So is violence ... because it is impossible to do violence to others without harming yourself.
Meanwhile, here are two thoughts .....
"Religion is regarded by the Common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
I do tend to think that there is a universal spirituality -- This is a liberal nation which doesn't support those with fascist instincts, or those who do want war and who continue on in violence.
This is a nation which wants to be Norway -- being ruled by fascists over the last decades.
And, yes, it is about the paranoid among us trying to gain control over others -- and its suicidal
The world's major religions used to teach REINCARNATION which is a concept of "eternal life." Not sure that I want to live 100 or 1000 lives ... but the teachings became "inconvenient" for Elites as people began to consider their next lives.
By the way, if you're male you will come back as a female.
And if you're female, you'll come back as a male. (UGH!)
ESOTERICshade ago
Every time you open your mouth you prove how stupid you are. "Christians" are not evil. There is a corrupt layer of Zionist and Jesuit assholes at the top of the Catholic hierarchy that are corrupt and evil and fuck it up for everybody. The vast majority of people that try to live by the principles attributed to jesus, be he a real man or an archetype, are good and kind people.
Your goal it to destroy Christianity so that Christians will be taught to worship you Zionist assholes and some of us are smart enough to see through you.
ESOTERICshade ago
Just go ahead and say it. Say "fuck white males" and get it over with.
tholinz ago
Okay so two things here; I fully admitted to my biases, and I went out of my way to address these things from a secular stand-point. You might not like it, but the words “occult”, “paganism”, “animism”, “theology” and so on have meanings in the English language. These are classifications that we can put various world religions into based on discernible characteristics. Is calling all non-Christian religions “pagan” akin to the Jews using the word “Gentiles” to identify an outgroup? Yes. Does it mean religions that can be classified under the “pagan” header don’t exist, or don’t share broadly definable features? Fuck no.
This shit is an actual thing that can be scrutinized beyond a person’s personal ideological beliefs.
A native Inuit from Greenland has a distinctly different belief system from a Hindu, a Muslim, or a Christian. You can make the argument that the differences between religions have been used as a reason (or excuse) for all kinds of bad human behavior, including conquest and genocide, but you cannot make the argument that those differences don’t exist.
GreenDell144 ago
Your understanding reflects my own. I am a now a Christian. My journey to this point is based on reason and examination of fact, though some may scoff as I say, and science. The only way I could make sense of any of this was to continue to read and read, meanwhile keenly observing for “the proof in the pudding” so to speak. “Wisdom is proved by its works”, is the axiom. While I accept a creator and Christ, I do no subscribe to the trinity or Hell doctrines. To get here, I started with a foundation that is almost word for word what you have written here. Have you ever read “The Golden Bough”? It seems applicable to this conversation.
Limpness ago
Thank you. .have read a lot about this topic..your explanation is by far the best !
tholinz ago
The whole thing get super fucking confusing. I’ve yet to find a good book that lays this all out in a neat, orderly fashion. I’m very interested in the historical underpinnings of the New Age movement but again, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of serious academic study into it. You have to wade through a lot of semi-insane metaphysical store how-tos, bemused journalism, and dry as fuck primary source analysis and research from the 1800s to get a sense of it.
(I grew up around a crapload of hippies.)
shawnfromnh69 ago
From what I learned when I was younger Satanism was what Native Americans were, they lived with and for nature and believed that nature was a religion upon itself and like we've seen they would give themselves to nature when they got to old as in going out on their own and fight a bear to the death and nature would win of course but that's how they lived and believed. They respected nature.
tholinz ago
Native Americans were not Satanist. Most can be classified as animist; ie, viewing natural objects as having spirits or spiritual qualities, with little consideration for the Western good/evil dichotomy. Some more developed civilizations, like the Aztecs or Mayans, had polytheistic pagan religions, where there is a pantheon of god’s who represent/control (but are not necessarily synonymous) with natural and psychological forces.
Satanism is the active, intentional worship of Satan. How can you intentionally worship Satan if you have never been exposed to Christian theology?
Kiwi_Slave ago
Not true, unless you are talking about the Aztecs and similar civilizations in Mexico and central America who absolutely do qualify as demon worshiping cannibals who aspire to godhood. The tribes of what is now the USA & Canada had a range of beliefs, with elements similar to Shinto, Buddhism, and Animism. But, underlying that, they believed in a benevolent creator, a Great Spirit, the immortality of their souls, and the importance of living an honest and honorable life.
YogSoggoth ago
Tard.
FICTIONLREALITY ago
okay thank you for your insight but time is up to get into all that RIGHT NOW (learning the occult to have an encyclopedic mindset of it) ...to simplify this, all one has to know is that there is RIGHTEOUS GOOD in this existence of OURS and there is a DARK EVIL as well...choose a side ...ITS SHOWTIME...thing is they [evil/good] both exist inside of us the HUmans of this earth=heart. live =evil...who created the English language again? pick a side look in the mirror awhh now you know!
tholinz ago
Of course. I’m talking here from an academic perspective, since OP seems to be atheist.
GoatMeal4Breakfast ago
Well this was enlightening. Thanks!
tholinz ago
I’ve spent probably too much time looking into this stuff. The entire subject gets further confused by the New Age movement starting back in the 1960s, but the occult predates that. It’s actually very interesting how the West’s collective interest in the paranormal has paralleled the rise of secularism.
GenghisSean ago
That is interesting. Thanks for your explanations on this thread. You seem to know a great bit about religious history and I'm sure there are some important lessons to be learned in that field of study. It is easy to get bogged down in the heavy subject matter in this subverse, but when we take the time to educate one another we can keep carrying on. Thoughtful, informative posts like your comments are encouraging. :)