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VictorSteinerDavion ago

After a quick skim it appears this post is a valid attempt to contribute and foster discussion of evidence etc.

If the other two posts were of this type they would not have been deleted.

Millennial_Falcon ago

No, this is Amalek and like most of his posts, it's incoherent. Read it and see if you can make sense of it.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

I actually agree, the formatting is almost identical to others made.

But rule of socks applies and I have to evaluate it within the constraints of each unique account is not troll until proven otherwise.

Don't misconstrue my comment as some kind of overriding status or having any more authority as your own, your well within your rights to treat it as you see fit, especially considering you're doing the bulk of the work round here.
When I declare things authoritatively I'll use the distinguish tag to make the [M] appear. Otherwise I'm just a normal community member.

It sucks, but sometimes I have to lay out bait to make the trolls surface, the next wave of "drama" is due in a few days and this is part of the canary testing that helps me link all the socks together.
The banhammer will probably see some action in the next weeks.

Vindicator ago

@Millennial_Falcon & VSD:

This is definitely a "baffle with bullshit" Amalek post aimed at delegitimizing the ruleset and mods by presenting tantalizing but impossible to fully understand information that mods will delete. What I've noticed about these posts is that they very long, with many links and details, yet lack a clearly stated premise and make numerous vague, implied claims which are difficult to vet. They make a serious of leaps in logic between things with no clear connection. They are designed to trigger deletions by mods, and rely on users finding them in removed submissions but being too lazy to verify the claims and the links supporting them. Example:

The company discussed is Joule Unlimited which seems to be the same company as Unlimited Joules of MIT "I studied at MIT," Podesta explains, "but, uh, I didn't bother to take computer science."

The "Unlimited Joules of MIT" link simply goes to the Wikipedia page for Joule Unlimited, so it does not support the IMPLIED claim that there is any connection to MIT, or Podesta's time there.

Many users see through these types of posts. Many others, sucked in by the tantalizing bits but unable to untangle the meaning of the post, react with outrage when they are deleted. I have noted, as we saw in the recent post to v/pizzagatemods, that the person(s) who makes these posts comes back months later under an alt and cites them to bitch about mods, Voat (usually with a reference to Peter Thiel) or the ruleset.

Perhaps the best way to put an end to them is to flair them as Disinfo and make a comment pointing out the problems with the post. This is more time consuming, but it disrupts the narrative completely. It also educates users, shows mods are on task, and exposes the ass who posted it as no friend of v/pizzagate. Two such posts from the same user wins a ban.

Regarding the sock puppet policy, VSD: Is it not safe to assume that anyone who deliberately finds a removed submission and reposts it is showing a pattern of disregard for the subverse submission rules? Why does it matter if it is a different username?

birthdaysuit11 ago

I remember when these posts started to emerge. It was right after I posted the cryptome disinformationn, shill/troll documemt. It went through every single tactic CTR, shareblue, corporatists and intelligence agencies use to dillute discussion, prevent answers, confuse, discredit, emotionalize, etc. Even simple tactics like 'stir the pot', infiltration, and obsolete retoric propaganda, where sock puppets and shills contine to comment on how this thread is obsolete or of no use, or has gone to shit.


However, what you mentioned is also in thr shill handbook. Basically, after I posted this handbook/documentation so people like is could spot these shills, I got numerous messages in my inbox, not by friends or pizzagate contributers but by shills. Telling me how this will be put to good use.


Anyway, this tactic is where they post heap loads of disinfo, misinfo and real information in a disordered format, with unclear conclusions, or lack thereof in order to discredit and CONFUSED REAL RESEARCHERS from true information. It clutters the shit out of everything. I feel bad for these basement dweller shills.

Vindicator ago

Birthdaysuit, would you mind linking to that post of yours in a comment on the current sticky about Shareblue? I would like to round up those resources, partly for my own education.

birthdaysuit11 ago

Hi Vindicator, I deleted it so shills couldn't use it as a instruction sheet. Can I send it to you instead? I'll do that. There are dozens of pdf's many of which are legitamate intel documents.

Vindicator ago

Yep. Sounds perfect.