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VictorSteinerDavion ago

After a quick skim it appears this post is a valid attempt to contribute and foster discussion of evidence etc.

If the other two posts were of this type they would not have been deleted.

Millennial_Falcon ago

No, this is Amalek and like most of his posts, it's incoherent. Read it and see if you can make sense of it.

VictorSteinerDavion ago

I actually agree, the formatting is almost identical to others made.

But rule of socks applies and I have to evaluate it within the constraints of each unique account is not troll until proven otherwise.

Don't misconstrue my comment as some kind of overriding status or having any more authority as your own, your well within your rights to treat it as you see fit, especially considering you're doing the bulk of the work round here.
When I declare things authoritatively I'll use the distinguish tag to make the [M] appear. Otherwise I'm just a normal community member.

It sucks, but sometimes I have to lay out bait to make the trolls surface, the next wave of "drama" is due in a few days and this is part of the canary testing that helps me link all the socks together.
The banhammer will probably see some action in the next weeks.

Vindicator ago

@Millennial_Falcon & VSD:

This is definitely a "baffle with bullshit" Amalek post aimed at delegitimizing the ruleset and mods by presenting tantalizing but impossible to fully understand information that mods will delete. What I've noticed about these posts is that they very long, with many links and details, yet lack a clearly stated premise and make numerous vague, implied claims which are difficult to vet. They make a serious of leaps in logic between things with no clear connection. They are designed to trigger deletions by mods, and rely on users finding them in removed submissions but being too lazy to verify the claims and the links supporting them. Example:

The company discussed is Joule Unlimited which seems to be the same company as Unlimited Joules of MIT "I studied at MIT," Podesta explains, "but, uh, I didn't bother to take computer science."

The "Unlimited Joules of MIT" link simply goes to the Wikipedia page for Joule Unlimited, so it does not support the IMPLIED claim that there is any connection to MIT, or Podesta's time there.

Many users see through these types of posts. Many others, sucked in by the tantalizing bits but unable to untangle the meaning of the post, react with outrage when they are deleted. I have noted, as we saw in the recent post to v/pizzagatemods, that the person(s) who makes these posts comes back months later under an alt and cites them to bitch about mods, Voat (usually with a reference to Peter Thiel) or the ruleset.

Perhaps the best way to put an end to them is to flair them as Disinfo and make a comment pointing out the problems with the post. This is more time consuming, but it disrupts the narrative completely. It also educates users, shows mods are on task, and exposes the ass who posted it as no friend of v/pizzagate. Two such posts from the same user wins a ban.

Regarding the sock puppet policy, VSD: Is it not safe to assume that anyone who deliberately finds a removed submission and reposts it is showing a pattern of disregard for the subverse submission rules? Why does it matter if it is a different username?

Millennial_Falcon ago

Hm, I had lately been of the opinion he is just a nutter. You monitor the chatter much more than I do, so perhaps you're right, but it could well be that all the angry comments he seems to incite are from his own sockpuppets. I know many of them are. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could read one of these posts and think it's saying anything sensible. Could be that he knows how to develop a following of mentally-off people, though. I just don't like the idea of allowing him to shit up the board just because some users (either complete fools or his own sockpuppets) seem to agree with him.

Vindicator ago

This was my point: I wonder if simply deleting his posts for rule violations isn't just another doorway to allowing him to shit up the board. When it is removed, without being exposed with a comment pointing out why it's a piece of steaming bullshit, it then sits, waiting in Removed Submissions, for the gullible, the irate, the ignorant and those who don't want to put any effort into thinking when confronted with messy, difficult to understand material and are open to suggestions, when their feelings are hurt due to their own post's removal, like "mean mods are compromised" to stumble across, confirming their worst fears.

birthdaysuit11 ago

That's like the perfect shill wet dream.

Vindicator ago

Indeed.