Vindicator ago

Yeah. I agree. I kept doing it, partly because I feel like fair is fair -- if I'm going to delete someone else's written work, I ought to be willing to put a little work into writing something explaining why. The other reason is that the act of writing out an explanation forces you to take the time to think it through. There has been more than one time when a post I was going to remove because it sounded like shill disinfo I ended up leaving up and downvoating and flairing because I couldn't articulate how it broke a rule.

Vindicator ago

I'd love that. We should also spell out the ban policy and add that to the rules at the same time. That was never done. If I just put up a sticky, though, MF is going to take it personally. I'm already stuck between a rock and a hard place with him as it is. Any suggestions? I doubt people will participate if Crensch does it, for fear of being Crensched, LOL. He's quick on the trigger.

Millennial_Falcon ago

99% of my bans have been Amalek alts, and the only point of those is to discourage him by making him have to complete captchas and create new account names and passwords. The rest have been people that were deliberately breaking rules in an antagonizing way. I would actually be fine with reversing every single existing ban, as I don't think they matter at this point (new accounts are free). I would prefer that to opening voting on an actual ban "policy." Think about it. Would we be simply defining what number of posts about a given topic within a specific amount of time by the same user constitutes spamming? And then how do you define whether it's a different topic or not? What if it's obvious that it's one person or a group of people maliciously spamming, but using different accounts and "different" topics? How do you objectively measure deliberateness, antagonism and maliciousness of rule-breaking posts? I've had plenty of rule-breaking posts complaining about mods where I didn't even think about banning, but others that were over-the-top and I where the poster was showing flagrant disregard for the rules, which obviously called for a ban. I don't like the idea of introducing a discussion about it. There are too many shills around would jump on the opportunity to stack the vote, and too many normal users will ignore the vote and the discussion entirely. I think this needs to be left to the combined right-brain and left-brain of actual mods, not turned into mob rule.

@kevdude, @Crensch

Vindicator ago

As for explaining deletions, I'm fine with it in cases where it isn't completely obvious just from naming the rule

The problem with just naming the rule, MF, is that half the users on here, maybe more than half, are on mobile and never even see the rules. And for those who do realize where to read the rules, it's almost never clear to them which part of the cited rule they screwed up. Even users who have been posting for a while. The rules are complex, especially Rule 1. Maybe wecanhelp could edit his mod tool plugin so that it quoted the exact part of the rule in question? I get that you don't want to take any more time than necessary. But the majority of posts are not being made by shills. They're made by decent folks, most of whom are not writers, trying to help bring the Cabal to justice. When their work is summarily deleted with nothing more than a rule number, it confirms everything the shills crow on about and leaves people even more deeply enraged than they were when they discovered pizzagate.

As for bans, 99% of my bans have been Amalek alts, and the only point of those is to discourage him by making him have to complete captchas and create new account names and passwords. The rest have been people that were deliberately breaking rules in an antagonizing way.

But then there are users like @TrishaUK who aren't good with computers or the Voat interface who had the misfortune of replying to one of the Amalek alts and ended up on your shill list and repeatedly banned even though a five minute perusal of their profile would reveal they are not shills. Although I unbanned her twice, she is now too afraid to make submissions in v/pizzagate and trigger your banhammer.

Is it really fair or wise to have no expressed ban policy?

TrishaUK was banned the day she submitted an important post and it left her unable to respond to Comments. Numerous other users who saw this could not undertand it, and concluded you were trying to silence her -- feeding right into the agenda of the Amalek alts you'd also banned. With no clear policy, there is no ruler to measure mod conduct against and people assume the worst.

TrishaUK ago

@Vindicator thanks for this write up. @Millennial_Falcon all I can say is that you knew I was not 'Amalek' because I have had many conversations/comments with you prior to you banning me. I was left thinking you do it, just because you have the authority to do it, and I am not savvy enough, computer wise, to know what to do about it. When I asked why you banned me, you didn't have the courtesy to respond to me. Well you have won. I rarely post anything anymore, last post a month ago, it takes time to research important information to type up in a post on voat and time to reply to comments, just to have it deleted, even though I want to still help the cause for the sake of the children. 🙁 Again Thank you @Vindicator for being such a great Moderator. 👍🏻 😀

Millennial_Falcon ago

I have had many conversations/comments with you prior to you banning me.

False.

When I asked why you banned me, you didn't have the courtesy to respond to me.

False. You never responded to me when I showed you this, other than to say "what the hell?" : https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2117259/10435332 How do you explain thanking Vindicator when he was helping SimonRothschild1? Hmmmm?

Well you have won.

You're playing the victim a bit too hard. (overacting)

it takes time to research important information to type up in a post on voat and time to reply to comments, just to have it deleted

Banning your account doesn't remove your posts, and as I've told you before, you can easily make a new account. Pretending to be "not computer savvy" seems like absurd cover story, an excuse to whine about being banned instead of even TRYING to explain the reply in the link above, or simply making a new account. You made your current account, and so you knew how to make another one. (But of course my belief is that you have hundreds of accounts.).

@Vindicator, you were the one who showed me the above comment of "hers" in the SimonRothschild1 thread in the first place. Odd to see you so up in arms about me acting on it.

Vindicator ago

@Vindicator, you were the one who showed me the above comment of "hers" in the SimonRothschild1 thread in the first place. Odd to see you so up in arms about me acting on it.

I could see how that would be suspicious, LOL. I don't recall that. I know I mentioned Jem777 as questionable on Oct. 18 in the mod chat, but this was my question to you about Trisha:

Mon, Nov 13 2017 13:06

Hello! Millennial_Falcon can you give me the rundown on why you think TrishUK is an Amalek alt? She was trolled by Amalek alts several times...but my interactions with her have all been good.

You didn't respond to that Riot ping. Also, you're missing part of the story. @TrishaUK got banned for the Amalek reply, and then I believe sent some messages to modmail requesting an unban. Since you had told me you test-ban suspected Amalek bots and that genuine users will reveal themselves by requesting an unban, I made sure she understood the submission rules and unbanned her. She submitted her post about the Comet hacker. You rebanned her, and she couldn't reply to the comments. I was surprised that you'd rebanned her without removing any rule-breaking posts, so I asked her why you had banned her. She linked me to the Amalek reply. I looked it over, as well as her Comment and Submission history and saw that she had been pinged by the asshole. I figured she had just clicked the wrong reply button (the Submission Mention) from within her notifications page -- since we had been conversing on several threads simultaneously. It happened on a day that Voat was super laggy and I had accidentally hit the wrong button several times because I was typing faster than the server. I did try to communicate with you about it at the time, and Trisha was trying to communicate with us about the ban through modmail. She was quite confused about the Amalek message, which was also a ban:

Only member @trishaUK is banned from the sub, for it amuses me.

and confused it with the modmail v/pizzagate ban notification mail from you. She got at least three bans in 48 hours -- two from you and one from Amalek -- and was pulling her hair out, unable to post on her hot submission. We talked about always replying from within the thread itself rather than the notification page as a way of avoiding future mixups, and I thought everything was resolved. But then I find out she's afraid to post for fear of being banned again, and you think I'm playing dodgy games and trying to undermine your modding. And I'm annoyed at constantly having to explain your decisions. Dang.

I think all three of us got played by Amalek. He succeeded in sowing distrust and frustration. I vote we take a breath, recalibrate shill sensors, and begin again with a New Year's resolution to assume the best intent until that assumption is proven false. What do you say? :-)

TrishaUK ago

Well @Millennial_Falcon you are WRONG because I have ONLY this ONE voat account! Why would I want to make another account just because you felt like banning me 'because it pleases you'. I did nothing wrong, and I have tried to follow the Rules, if I make a mistake I admit it and try rectify it. Fyi, I am not a liar, and this is why I can admit I know little about computers and technology etc, it has nothing to do with sympathy. )I am a granny, not a tranny - reference to your snide comment "hers")

Millennial_Falcon ago

'because it pleases you'.

Why did you put this in quotes? I never said that or anything even close to that. Your assumption of bad faith is just further evidence to me you're lying. Why are you even still arguing? Your account is no longer banned! Aaaaaand you still haven't attempted to explain replying to Vindicator as if you were SimonRothschild1. That's all I'll be saying about this. You are not banned now, and I won't be banning you again, so you have nothing to complain about, but I won't be apologizing because I still don't believe you. You can't blame me because you refuse to even try to explain. You haven't denied writing that comment, either. @Vindicator

TrishaUK ago

Glad you won't ban me, I know I am not lying and thats all that matters to me. ( @Vindicator I still have no clue whats going on - But hey I will just zip it 🤐 for the sake of peace! )

Vindicator ago

Oh, for Christsake @Millennial_Falcon @TrishaUK!!!!!!! Y'all are doing it again! Trisha, I was quoting the Amalek shill, not MF. MF never said "because it pleases me". That was SimonRothschild. Everybody PPPPPLLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEE read comments in context in the thread and don't reply based on what shows up in your notifications! Pretty please?

Millennial_Falcon ago

The problem with just naming the rule, MF, is that half the users on here, maybe more than half, are on mobile and never even see the rules.

We need to fix that.

And for those who do realize where to read the rules, it's almost never clear to them which part of the cited rule they screwed up. Even users who have been posting for a while.

I can see that for Rule 3 (1 and 2 are pretty straight-forward). I don't see why people can't ask for clarification if they don't understand. That has been our policy for a while. You have to understand it's my time you're talking about, and nobody else's. That time to formulate, type, and submit (on satellite internet no less) an individual explanation for each deletion adds up fast. I am fine with agreeing to do it as normal procedure now, since post volumes have come down a lot, but I don't support it as a formal rule unless we can get wecanhelp to modify modbar as you suggest. There is still a possibility/likelihood that shills will start flooding again at times, and barring that modbar modification, I would not want to be required to give an individual explanation at those times.

The rules are complex, especially Rule 1. Maybe wecanhelp could edit his mod tool plugin so that it quoted the exact part of the rule in question?

That would be great if he has the time.

But then there are users like @TrishaUK who aren't good with computers or the Voat interface who had the misfortune of replying to one of the Amalek alts and ended up on your shill list and repeatedly banned even though a five minute perusal of their profile would reveal they are not shills.

She did not reply to an Amalek alt. She replied to YOU when you were talking to Amalek, as if SHE was him too, saying "ok thanks." https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2117259/10435332. This guy is weird and he has openly stated that he has accounts which he crafts to appear like normal users. Furthermore, "she" never even attempted to explain this "ok thanks" to me. I'm not saying it was a good decision to ban that account. It was at a time that I was fed up with Amalek, and I wanted to see how some of the accounts I strongly suspected of being him would react if I banned them. He initially was able to persuade me to unban TrishaUK, THEN the "ok thanks" happened. Jem777 is another case of this. Even though I unbanned that account, he used it against me to paint me as a villain, continuing to use the new Mej777 to remind people he was banned, instead of going back to Jem777. It was not a good idea to ban them, but I still think they're Amalek.

Is it really fair or wise to have no expressed ban policy?

No, but I don't think it's wise to make a sticky about it either. We can make a common-sense policy. Spamming gets you banned, and repeatedly ignoring rules gets a ban. Simple. I don't think it's wise to try to define that too precisely. Shills would use it against us.

@kevdude, @Crensch

srayzie ago

No. But this isn’t high school either. No need to care about my feelings. But we represent pizzagate. People come here to get red pilled. If you all really gave a shit, you would think of that.

srayzie ago

Not someone. People leading this board should be mature enough to handle issues without acting like they are in 7th grade.

srayzie ago

His tone? I was complaining about being called a faggot, a tranny, a soy boy, suspicious, etc... you guys handle it the Reddit way.

srayzie ago

I very clearly and politely explained how it wasn’t right for my post to be deleted. You allowed me to repost it. I was respectful to everyone. Crensch is the one that started shit by acting like I’m suspicious because I said somebody else that didn’t think my post should have been deleted is someone that Crensch doesn’t like.

So, don’t act like you guys are attacked. I’ve never even dealt with any of you guys until yesterday. All was fine until Crensch started his immature disrespectful rant. I go out of my way to thank you for what you did, but tell you how it’s messed up allowing Crensch to keep talking shit to me after you told me to leave him alone. Your response is I’m doing whiny Reddit bullshit.

Obviously you guys don’t act out only because you’re attacked or disrespected. You guys start it. Now I can see why people do not act respectful to you guys. You’ll get respect when you give respect. Until then, this place will continue to go downhill.

Vindicator ago

I agree with mods explaining deletions in the comment section (not just the remove reason box). I try to do so 99% of the time.

think- ago

This. Thank you.

Truthseeker3000 ago

There are a couple of members of a certain well known European Jewish family who regularly visit Haiti in the slums and visit the same handful of children. Why?

4_InquiringMinds ago

OP is pointing out the lack of professionalism/a subject you obviously do not understand.

4_InquiringMinds ago

whining about his tone

Pointing out his tone? Nope, she is pointing out something that has been pointed out many times. Being degrading and hostile in the most obscene language he can muster is much more than 'tone'. But as usual, bringing up an issue that has been brought up before is brushed off. Some of us are not fooled and that number grows.

Crensch ago

All right.

What wound up happening with VSD?

Crensch ago

Oh, I wouldn't call that tranny wannabe OP from before a legitimate user.

If you're in THE SAME subverse every day for most of your time here, and you don't notice the ESOTERICshade-style shills, and you use one of them for your support, there's something very wrong.

It's not like not noticing someone that posts in a music or gaming sub when you're mainly in political ones, this is one feed that is disproportionately visited.

I would rather a few shill posts slip by than see all users treated like shills when they object.

Every user that has objected to MF was given the opportunity to prove he did something wrong. At best we see a single grey area removal out of tens and hundreds each day. We've only seen that once before, and with this one makes two.

That's a pretty fucking good ratio if you ask me.

Users are invited, and given advice, on how to make a post to dispute a removal, and almost invariably, all they do is attack MF.

How difficult is it for the USERS to treat the fucking mods with the respect they want to be treated with? How about following the RULES and not making a post disputing the removal in the same subverse, therefore breaking the rules twice?

Everything about this Srayzie stinks, but I don't have the resources to dig through the faggot's life atm to find the crotchrot.

This is becoming a subreddit to an unacceptable degree.

I don't see it like that at all. This place was running quite smoothly for a good while there - I even commented on it. Hell, Voat in general was pretty quiet, but now that it's got an organized cabal whose goal is to destroy this place, we have an issue again.

I just don't think that's a coincidence.

But legitimate users will also object to the moderation attitude that has sprung up on this sub.

I've seen quite a bit more users asking what they can do to make their posts follow the rules, and the mods helping them do that. If the mods don't respond well to the direct-attacks, that's not really their fault.

Once again, Millennial Falcon deletes my submitted documentary about the Catholic church and British Crown mass muder of Canadian native children. This is the proven banned documentary at PG sub.

Here is what is banned on site by MF every time. Without a shadow of a doubt, this is what is beyond off limits at this forum. CATHOLIC KILLERS a SHOCKING COVER UP! THE HIDDEN GENOCIDE IN CANADA! Title HereYouTubeSee you soon under a new screen name

https://www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/2312900

This is what this "user" writes. After NOT sending a msg to the mods, NOT pinging me - If that's not fishy, I don't really know what is.

This is the first ping or direct contact I've gotten.

"Let me explain myself"

then

"BUT LOOK AT ALL THIS OTHER STUFF I DO NOT LIKE HERE!"

But I think we're possibly talking past each other outside of the above.

Walk me through your thoughts on this, and where you think we differ.

srayzie ago

It doesn’t matter. At least you were better than the others. You saw that the post shouldn’t be deleted and you fought for it. So I thank you for that. You didn’t call me names. I don’t know which one of you guys are in charge over the others. I know the O’s are above the mods. I don’t even know who you are except an O (owner?) of other subs. But, it’s pretty sad that it seems like nobody is in charge of keeping you guys fair.

This sub isn’t a gaming sub or something. This sub’s purpose actually has meaning. For the most part, there are good people here who truly care for children and would like to see these evil sicko’s arrested. This isn’t the type of place I would expect to be moderated by people who call the members faggots and told to fuck off. You say you guys are just users. But, I would think the users you would have in that position would be mature enough to handle issues without it turning an issue into some ridiculous show of disrespect and verbal assault.

There are people here everyday trying to help. We could spend our time doing more enjoyable things but we come back everyday because we give a damn. We put up with haters constantly. To be accused of being a suspicious person for no reason isn’t right. Sometimes we are treated like the enemy. Instead of people realizing that we all share a common goal and should stick together, it’s clear that many aren’t here for the right reasons. For the ones that are, we don’t deserve to be treated disrespectfully and called names. Especially not by the ones moderating the forum.

Anyway, you were far more helpful than the others, but you continue to not even address Crensch’s immature disrespectful verbal attacks on others. Not only that, but you told me to back off of Crensch. But, you don’t tell him to back off of me? That speaks volumes.

4_InquiringMinds ago

No. Don't put words in my mouth.

Rather obvious that was not what was happening.

shoots first and asks questions later there is probably a reason.

And so professional

Fuck off, soyboy.

soyboy

I want attention because you keep calling me a he and I correct you and prove you don’t even know me?

I don't give a shit what you are.

Obviously you weren’t suspicious of me and I wasn’t on your radar until today. 🙄

Nobody is on my radar until I see them act suspicious, what kind of bullshit point are you trying to make?

I don’t want your attention babe. I’ve got a man. I don’t need a virtual one. You are not my type anyways. I would rather you never write me again. How about that?!

You sound like a Tumblr swamp donkey that convinces yourself that you're pretty and that people like you.

Nobody likes trannies, soyboy.

~

Look fellas this is getting old. Legitimate concerns about this sub are met with trashy mouth juvenile replies/this is not the first time. It's your sub/your tone. If when this post was first removed MF had bothered to dialogue with the op/any misunderstandings clarified/none of this would have happened. There were many who took issue with the removal of this thread. When members have questions they are treated like shit. But it's how you roll...so keep on rolling.

We are complete.

srayzie ago

I was told you were nice and reasonable.

srayzie ago

No comment on Crensch?

4_InquiringMinds ago

@srayzie

No comment on Crensch?

Ah, but he did answer...

just users

If you look at 'users' in a different light grin.

Personally, someone showing off a trashy mouth never did impress. Shows a lack of cognitive abilities.

srayzie ago

Oh ok. I have been leaving Crensch alone. He’s talking to me like a guy so to show how he obviously doesn’t know me, I tell him i’m Not a dude! Everyone that knows me here is aware because me and Donkeyhote fight all the time. He tells us women how we’re stupid cunts and whores. So, it’s no secret that I’m female.

I left Crensch alone and went and cooled down. I come back and this is what I get... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2313056/11485920

So If I’m a guy I’m a faggot. If I’m a woman I want attention. Whatever. I would like to know why this is being allowed? Why is he able to talk to me like this? How the hell do I deserve all of this for trying to help kids?! I expect it from shills, but mods and owners? Come on.

think- ago

Well, then I take the label 'concern troll' with pride.

Dressage2 ago

Also, you can see why these doctors are dropping like flies. Tied to CF and organ transplant. Lastest was a surgeon in Manhattan that went Haiti and wrote memo voicing complaints. Always tying up loose ends like billionaire in Canada who also involved with vaccines in Haiti and CF. Killing and sterilization is also their MO for these poor people all over the world. Think WHO, USAID, UN and all the bogus eye clinics, kidney clinics, etc. Thanks to @Kevdude too! Great post and upvoat too!

FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago

@kevdude, Have NO fear, the zionist Jew bag George webb, Is not mentioned in the post. Fuck that Jew fucking zionist pig and All of his Accurate predictions of every story of the last 4 months. Seriously. Fuck him. He Broke this months ago. BUt fuck him. He's a zionist jew. Seriously If that fucking jew didn't exists.... We could go back to Making posts About South park episdoes alluding to pedophila. fuck that jew. Seriously. He just had to be the one to bring down the DNC. seriously. Fuck zionist asshole .

4_InquiringMinds ago

Does anyone know if admins are able to alter upvoats?

Vindicator ago

"Voat is compromised" -- Shareblue talking point, confirmed. Thanks for building up this community.

There is only one admin, 4; PuttItOut. He is god of this little realm and can probably do whatever the hell he wants. He doesn't have time to diddle with voats, however. He has been working round the clock these past three months to protect one of the only free speech platforms left on the internet, from being shut down via DDoS and financial suppression by the "powerful people" we have "really pissed off." I stickied his post on the matter. Try reading.

4_InquiringMinds ago

I recall when the financial issue came up. Many goats asked/tried to find out who owns voat. Don't think that question was ever resolved. If it was can you share it here (not in blue of course).

Vindicator ago

PuttItOut owns Voat. It used to be Putt and Atko, but Atko got burned out. Putt was looking for an angel investor until he realized there wasn't anyone that could be trusted to preserve it as a free speech platform against those who don't want us documenting their dirty secrets. At that point, he decided to rewrite the code so it could be hosted and maintained cheaply enough to survive on user donations -- which he's been working on for months.

4_InquiringMinds ago

Came up a few months ago, who is Putt/no answer. Putt could be anyone but ppl should just trust.

Vindicator ago

Please show me a link. There is no coverup of Putt's real life identity. That is disinfo.

4_InquiringMinds ago

Thank you vin :) This is leading to some threads about voat and putt.

Expanding understanding/many sides to consider.

Vindicator ago

Expanding understanding is always desirable. :-)

think- ago

I liked what the Reddit guy said:

"Please donate to them. Otherwise they will come back."

LOL

4_InquiringMinds ago

"Please donate to them. Otherwise they will come back."

Priceless lol

4_InquiringMinds ago

I stickied his post on the matter. Try reading.

Had already read it but thanks. It is actions, not words that impress me vin. The actions here do not reflect free speech imho. Accusing me of being shareblue doesn't change that. But thanks so much for your concern to set me straight :)

Vindicator ago

It is actions, not words that impress me vin.

Right back atcha, 4. Your continued use of Shareblue tactics are exactly what I'm taking note of.

think- ago

Ah, ok. I voice the same 'concern' as @Vindicator - see below - but I am a concern troll. Great.

Vindicator ago

My original comment, think-, mainly referred to the shitstorm that erupts whenever @Millennial_Falcon shows even the merest sign of fallibility. As I already said, MF did have grounds to remove it, though he didn't cite the correct rule. You are projecting your own interpretation onto my words.

Millennial_Falcon ago

This. Sometimes I'm in a hurry and don't click carefully when indicating which rule was broken, partly because there is significant overlap between the rules.

think- ago

I wasn't aware that your comment referred to the context of 'the shitstorm that erupts...'

I read the submission at the time, then it was suddenly taken down and I looked at your discussion with MF in order to find out why it was deleted. I had no idea there was a wider context.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

Vindicator ago

Fair enough. In my opinion, this sub would work a lot better if we had more people actively modding than MF and I, and we split the time responsibility up to limit the burden (and fuck up potential) of post removal and spread it around. As it stands now, neither MF or I ever have a day off. That tends to lead to snafus and suboptimal decisions.

think- ago

Agree. Putting the burden on more shoulders would be a lot better imo.

I know how much time and effort you dedicate to this place, @Vindicator, and I know this takes time away from being with your family. We are all really grateful for this.

This sub really means a lot to me. I was a lurker nearly from the beginning, and signed up three months ago.

I have seen many dedicated researchers leave, because they were frustrated that good posts were deleted by MF. They regarded it as censorship (on Voat, of all places!). This also has invoked a slight feeling of paranoia that Voat, after all, could be compromised.

I am very grateful for @kevdude 's input (well, apart from calling me a 'concern troll', of course).

I can only hope @Millienial_Falcon will take all of this to this heart. I don't want to see more good people leaving.

Have a Happy New Year, @Vindicator, may it be a good and successful one for all pizzagaters! :-)

Vindicator ago

Back atcha think-! ☄

think- ago

Thanks! :-)

srayzie ago

This is what happens when you stand up for yourself here. http://i.imgs.fyi/img/27sg.jpg I guess that was my warning.

Vindicator ago

@srayzie, that is part of Cloudflare's anti-DDoS defenses. Too many up or downvoats in too short of a time.

srayzie ago

Yeah I found that out. Thank you.

4_InquiringMinds ago

@srayzie

I guess that was my warning.

And fortunately you do not intimidate easily wink.

srayzie ago

🙂

srayzie ago

Have him leave me alone.

Crensch ago

@kevdude

Speaks volumes that this faggot wants you to tell me to leave him alone when I didn't say anything directly to him, he responded to MY comments.

Fuck off @srayzie.

srayzie ago

I don’t have male parts. Leave me alone.

Shizy ago

Wow that escalated to gay slurs and anger rather quickly!

srayzie ago

I want attention because you keep calling me a he and I correct you and prove you don’t even know me? Obviously you weren’t suspicious of me and I wasn’t on your radar until today. 🙄

I don’t want your attention babe. I’ve got a man. I don’t need a virtual one. You are not my type anyways. I would rather you never write me again. How about that?!

Crensch ago

I want attention because you keep calling me a he and I correct you and prove you don’t even know me?

I don't give a shit what you are.

Obviously you weren’t suspicious of me and I wasn’t on your radar until today. 🙄

Nobody is on my radar until I see them act suspicious, what kind of bullshit point are you trying to make?

I don’t want your attention babe. I’ve got a man. I don’t need a virtual one. You are not my type anyways. I would rather you never write me again. How about that?!

You sound like a Tumblr swamp donkey that convinces yourself that you're pretty and that people like you.

Nobody likes trannies, soyboy.

Shillaxe ago

I don't have a problem w trannys.

Crensch ago

That's disgusting, they're very obviously mentally ill.

Shillaxe ago

But you get 2 for the price of 1, lol

srayzie ago

Ok 💋

Crensch ago

I don't accept kisses from pigs.

srayzie ago

Hug 🤗

Crensch ago

Creep.

Shizy ago

Sounds more like how you're acting! Seriously, let it go, you're making yourself look bad

Crensch ago

Bitch sends kisses and hugs, and I call her a creep - somehow some whore's attention makes me the creep?

You're off your fucking rocker.

srayzie ago

Lol especially since you think I’m a tranny

TrishaUK ago

Awww srayzie, how come the nutters are attracted to your posts? I have not been on voat for a while, family over for Christmas etc., Have a GREAT 2018 Keep up the good work and ignore these trolls, let them 🔥 themselves out. 🤗🤗🤗 Got your back!

srayzie ago

Thank you Trisha. Happy New Year! ❤️

septimasexta ago

Important topic! I'm reposting my related links/comments from /v/pizzagatewhatever and new ones.

Here's a great summary : Organ Harvesting in Haiti: A Webb Companion and Alternate Theory Gives potential link to Mayo Clinic Fla. https://steemit.com/organharvesting/@v4vapid/organ-harvesting-in-haiti-a-webb-companion-and-alternate-theory

This book seems to have important historical info on tracing Haiti cholera outbreak to Nepali U.N. unit. Talks about coverup and obfuscation! Deadly River: Cholera and Cover-Up in Post-Earthquake Haiti (Hardcover) by Ralph R. Frerichs It's on Amazon with a "Look Inside". Companion website: http://www.deadlyriver.com

The Clinton Foundation "cholera hospital" should be investigated.

"Deutsche Bank Americas recently hosted an event at 60 Wall Street to bring awareness to the cholera epidemic in Haiti and to highlight its support of Haiti’s first permanent cholera treatment center, which is being built by MASS Design Group and Centre GHESKIO. The event featured remarks from Chelsea Clinton, Vice President of the Clinton Foundation, as well as representatives from MASS Design and Centre GHESKIO and Gary Hattem, President of the Deutsche Bank Americas Foundation and Managing Director of the Community Development Finance Group. Deutsche Bank has committed a $265,000 grant in support of the center.

Located in Port-au-Prince, the Cholera Treatment Center will help to address the worst cholera outbreak in recent history. Introduced by foreign recovery workers following the 2010 earthquake, the ongoing disease epidemic in Haiti to date has resulted in around 670,000 cases and caused 8,217 deaths according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The outbreak has been exacerbated by a common lack of access to basic sanitation and clean drinking water, as well as the breakdown of infrastructure due to the earthquake." https://www.db.com/usa/content/en/Chelsea-Clinton-on-Haitis-new-cholera-treatment-center.html

Cholera outbreak on Bill Clinton's watch!

UN Admits: Bill Clinton-Run Haiti Mission ‘Played Role’ in Cholera Outbreak by SAMUEL MAXIME31 Aug 2016 “Over the past year, the U.N. has become convinced that it needs to do much more regarding its own involvement in the initial outbreak and the suffering of those affected by cholera,” UN secretary general deputy spokesman Farhan Haq said, the New York Times reports.

Still, the global organization appears to be fighting any possibility of paying damages and, just as alarming to observers, the Obama administration has remained silent on the matter.

Bill Clinton was head of the United Nations mission to Haiti at the time and managing billions in earthquake reconstruction money when, in October of 2010, a base of soldiers from Nepal began dumping septic waste into the country’s main river. The Artibonite River, located in the town of Mirebalais, is the island of Hispaniola’s longest and most important river. Located in the heart of island, the contaminated water ran through other rivers, creating a stream of death through Haiti’s waterways." http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/31/un-blame-clinton-era-cholera-outbreak/

Doctors Without Borders linked to Haiti Cholera Treatment Center. Read article details. They trained staff and set up protocols in 2010. http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news-stories/voice-field/haiti-cholera-treatment-and-prevention-training

Doctors Without Borders/ Rockefeller connection: Heir to Rockefeller Fortune Dies in New York Plane Crash June 14, 2014 11:25

"An heir to the Rockefeller fortune has been killed in a plane crash in New York, the billionaire family has announced.

Richard Rockefeller died when his plane, a single-engine Piper Meridian turboprop, crashed in foggy weather just minutes after taking off from an airport near White Plains in Westchester county, New York."

Richard Rockefeller was the son of philanthropist David Rockefeller Sr and the great-grandson of oil tycoon and philanthropst John D Rockefeller.

He had been returning from New York where he had been celebrating his father's 99th birthday on Thursday. The aircraft came down less than a mile away from the airport, striking trees and missing a house in Harrison by only a few feet, according to police and airport officials. US safety agencies have launched an investigation.

Airport manager Peter Scherrer said Rockefeller, 65, was the only passenger on the aircraft when it crashed at 8:08 a.m. The plane disappeared from radar and authorities lost contact with the pilot. At 8:23 a.m. police were notified that a plane had crashed in the hamlet of Purchase, Scherrer said. Visibility during this time was "very low" at around a quarter of a mile, he added.

Anthony Marraccini, Harrison police chief, told Bloomberg News: "The plane was broken into pieces, and some pieces were lodged in pine trees. Some of the main fuselage remained intact."

A Rockefeller family statement, released by a family spokesperson, said: "This is a terrible tragedy. The family is in shock. Richard was a wonderful and cherished son, brother, husband, father and grandfather. He was an experienced pilot and respected medical doctor. It is just horribly sad."

According to his biography on the Rockefeller Brothers Fund website Rockefeller was a practising doctor until 2000 and taught medicine in Maine from 1982 until 2000. He was president of the Health Commons Institute, a non-profit organisation dedicated to improving medicine in America, and chairman of the US Advisory Board of the medical aid charity Doctors Without Borders from 1989 until 2010.

Victoria Bjorklund, a Doctors Without Borders founding volunteer, said: "Richard was so committed to the principles of Doctors Without Borders -- the belief that everyone had the right to access medical care. He was absolutely critical in sharing those principles with a wide array of supporters at a time when the organisation was not well known in the US. He will be sorely missed."" http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/heir-rockefeller-fortune-dies-new-york-plane-crash-1452640

Dr. Richard Rockefeller, Founding Member of Doctors Without Borders USA, Dies in Plane Crash June 13, 2014

"NEW YORK—June 13, 2014—Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) was deeply saddened to learn of the tragic death of Richard Rockefeller, Ed.M., M.D., who was killed today when the single-engine plane that he was piloting crashed outside of Westchester County Airport, and extends its deepest sympathies and condolences to his family.

Through his vast philanthropic network, passionate public speaking on the right for access to medicines, and field assignments in South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia, Dr. Rockefeller was instrumental to the founding of MSF in the United States. In 1989, working with his father David Rockefeller, Dr. Rockefeller helped MSF establish its roots in the United States by hosting a small start-up team at 30 Rockefeller Center, inside the offices of Rockefeller & Co.

“Richard gave so much of his life to support Doctors Without Borders,” said Dr. Deane Marchbein, MD, president of MSF-USA. “He made so many vital contributions that have helped Doctors Without Borders provide independent medical humanitarian assistance to millions of patients in over 70 countries. The entire Doctors Without Borders family extends its profound condolences to Richard’s family. We are devastated by his loss.”" http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news-stories/press-release/dr-richard-rockefeller-founding-member-doctors-without-borders-usa-dies

Shillaxe ago

One of your links led me to this info, these are organ traffickers, they need sterile med centers to do the surgical things like organ stealing & what not.MASS Design Group and Centre GHESKIO build Haiti’s first permanent dedicated facility...Located in Port-au-Prince, the Cholera Treatment Center will help to address the worst cholera outbreak in recent history. .. Clinton spoke about her first experience encountering a MASS Design project in Rwanda, as well as the Clinton Foundation’s strong support of innovative healthcare solutions such as the Cholera Treatment Center. ..Group founders Alan Ricks and Michael Murphy, Dr. Vanessa Rouzier-Taley of Centre GHESKIO, Dr. Daniel Fitzgerald of Centre GHESKIO and Weill Cornell Medical College.

Shillaxe ago

MASS Design Group and Centre GHESKIO has a cholera center and two hospitals in Haiti. https://massdesigngroup.org/design?type=45&location=49&discipline=52

septimasexta ago

Thanks for the new link. I also found this at the same website: https://massdesigngroup.org/work/research/catalytic-infrastructure "After seeing the success of the GHESKIO Cholera Treatment Center – which localizes and decentralizes sanitation, health, and water services – MASS partnered with the Pershing Square Foundation to investigate if the model could be scaled to address additional communities struggling with waterborne diarrheal diseases. Over a period of three months, MASS worked with community health workers, community leaders, local nonprofit organizations, and government officials to assess the feasibility of a community-based water and wastewater sanitation system in one of the biggest slums in Port-au-Prince. The proposed model offers an alternative solution to centralized subterranean sanitation and sewerage infrastructure as yet to be implemented across Haiti."

TAKEAWAY: "MASS partnered with the Pershing Square Foundation"

The Pershing Square Foundation Awards $17 Million to Harvard University Gift to Fund Multidisciplinary Study of Human Behavior Apr 14, 2014 "About The Pershing Square Foundation The Pershing Square Foundation (pershingsquarefoundation.org) is a private family foundation, based in New York, founded in December 2006 by Karen and Bill Ackman. The Foundation has committed $235 million in grants and social investments to support exceptional leaders and innovative organizations that tackle important social issues and deliver scalable and sustainable impact. Bill is the CEO and portfolio manager of Pershing Square Capital Management, L.P." https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-pershing-square-foundation-awards-17-million-to-harvard-university-255152121.html

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2017/ia-4608.pdf (SEC violations)

Ackman's returns make him a top 20 fund manager "Billionaire activist investor Bill Ackman has been named one of the world's top 20 hedge fund managers for the first time, after posting stellar outperformance in 2014 led by his bet on botox maker Allergan. Ackman broke into rankings, compiled by LCH Investments, at number 19, after his firm, Pershing Square, delivered $4.5 billion in net gains for investors last year. The figure brings the fund's lifetime gains to $11.6 billion since its launch in 2004." "Sopher, who is also head of alternative multi-management at exclusive private bank, Edmond de Rothschild, said Pershing Square's results were "outstanding" as "gains have mostly come from intelligent investing in liquid big cap U.S. stocks."" https://www.cnbc.com/2015/01/26/ackmans-returns-make-him-a-top-20-fund-manager.html

Is Bill Ackerman a friend of the Clinton's and/or Rothschilds?

Shillaxe ago

Connection to both"Clinton spoke about her first experience encountering a MASS Design project in Rwanda, as well as the Clinton Foundation’s strong support of innovative healthcare solutions such as the Cholera Treatment Center." & "Edmond de Rothschild, said Pershing Square's results were "outstanding" "

4_InquiringMinds ago

@septimasexta

THANK YOU!!!!! upvotes :)

think- ago

Wow, great, thank you!

DomKeyhote ago

Uh, no, he clearly picks random justifications not intended to be serious:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2309892/11465496

think- ago

However (and take this as constructive criticism MF) he does at times seem to exceed his mandate a bit where Rule 1 is concerned.

Well, it would certainly deepen my understanding of Rule 1 if anyone could explain why this post was deleted per Rule 1:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2254607

Thanks.

@Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion @Millennial_Falcon @Vindicator

Millennial_Falcon ago

That was deleted because it was a bot reposting a thread that doesn't meet the submission rules. Post didn't even have content. Just a title.

think- ago

It wasn't an empty submission.

When you click on the headline, the full thread of the original post shows.

This is how it always works when the searchvoat.bot does a "A year ago" post.

It was the anniversary post of pizzagate moving from Reddit to Voat.

There was no reason to delete it. You should have made a sticky instead to remember the beginning of the pizzagate investigation on Voat.

Look at @Vindicator 's comments. Even he couldn`t understand why you deleted it.

@Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion @kevdude

think- ago

It was deleted per Rule 1. Rule 1 says posts must refer to pizzagate. It did.

Vindicator ago

There were no submission rules when that post was made, so unsurprisingly it doesn't adhere to them. However, @Millennial_Falcon should have cited Rule 4 for removing that because it's not a research post, it's a housekeeping post.

This brings up a great question, though, which perhaps our O's (@Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion) and rule advisor @kevdude would like to chime in on:

If a new post meets Rules 1, 2 and 3 like this Searchvote historical repost, but the original post linked doesn't because it predates the ruleset, do we delete? And if no, what's to keep forum sliders from digging up the shitposts of yore (that led to the ruleset in the first place) and reposting with a title that mentions pizzagate and a link to the original?

think- ago

C'mon, @Vindicator...

Look at your own comment cited below. There is nothing more to say.

[–] Vindicator 0 points (+0|-0) 1 month ago

😕 TFW @Millennial_Falcon deletes the Voat history bot anniversary reminder of the first major v/pizzagate post for having no direct relevance to Pizzagate.

carmencita ago

Sad subject but extremely informative and so very important for all to read, especially those that are into researching. Thank you @srayzie for another Wonderful Post! Upvoats Are In Order!

4_InquiringMinds ago

Thank you @srayzie for another Wonderful Post! Upvoats Are In Order!

Yes, upvotes and many thanks to srayzie!

Crensch ago

I made that comment before doing any due diligence - apologies.

Crensch ago

Sans some good reason MF or Vindicator comes up with, I'm OK with this for now.

I have the feeling he's got a good reason, but haven't yet seen it.

FuckUredditFuckuSpez ago

@Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion @Millennial_Falcon @Vindicator

v/Crensch (Crensch) > FuckUredditFuckuSpez | Sent: 3 days ago on 12/27/2017 1:38:22 AM A simple request that benefits Everything No.

srayzie ago

@Crensch and @Kevdude

I have never complained to you or about you Crensch. I’ve never even talked to you. I have no idea what you are suspicious of. Are you going to explain what you mean by being suspicious of me? I would like to be able to address any questions you have. If anything, I am too open about myself here.

Crensch ago

@ESOTERICshade is a known shitstirrer, and if I'm not mistaken, you used him as a support for your argument against the deletion.

The link in your OP didn't ring true for me, and while you may not know, or care, what that means, many of the users here have grown accustomed to me smelling something fishy - turns out I'm usually right.

Shizy ago

Esoteric may sometimes be a shit stirrer, but he/she is a good researcher and the real deal when it comes to wanting to expose this crap. Being a shit stirrer doesn't void the actual legitimacy of the work

srayzie ago

I used a FEW people that didn’t think that my post should have been deleted to support my argument. It seems to me that using that as a reason to be suspicious of me when you and I have never had a problem before is making YOU the shit stirrer.

Of all things posted on pizzagate, THIS link doesn’t ring true for you? Maybe links to http://crazydaysandnights.net that is constantly used here is more your style? Or how about fake news site http://yournewswire.com? Yeah, both of those are used here and stay up. Or hell, people that just post a link to a tweet? I see those stay up all the time.

But I am someone to be suspicious of? 🙄 Suspcious of what? That I’m CIA? Omg shareblue? DynCorp? Lol, you’re standing up for yo boy MF!

From what I’ve heard, most users here do NOT agree with you.

4_InquiringMinds ago

From what I’ve heard, most users here do NOT agree with you.

THIS!!!!!

Crensch ago

I used a FEW people that didn’t think that my post should have been deleted to support my argument.

And ONE of them is a known subversive character here.

It seems to me that using that as a reason to be suspicious of me when you and I have never had a problem before is making YOU the shit stirrer.

@kevdude

Of all things posted on pizzagate, THIS link doesn’t ring true for you? Maybe links to http://crazydaysandnights.net that is constantly used here is more your style? Or how about fake news site http://yournewswire.com? Yeah, both of those are used here and stay up. Or hell, people that just post a link to a tweet? I see those stay up all the time.

"hey these other links are bad so mine is good!"

But I am someone to be suspicious of? 🙄 Suspcious of what? That I’m CIA? Omg shareblue? DynCorp? Lol, you’re standing up for yo boy MF!

Seriously, kevdude, this guy is looking less and less legit.

From what I’ve heard, most users here do NOT agree with you.

Well, there you have it kev.

srayzie ago

Yes @kevdude, everyone who disagrees with Crensch or messes with his boy MF is a GUY you should be suspicious of.

Crensch and Millennial_Falcon both do not use their position in a professional manner.

ESOTERICshade ago

Call me whatever you want. Rule 1 is still be abused just like always.

Crensch ago

I pretty much proved it to everyone, so I'll call you exactly what I proved you to be.

srayzie ago

You proved what to everyone? That you are the shit stirrer? Very professional way to handle your position?

Crensch ago

@kevdude

http://archive.is/Hw7IG

Knew this fucker was suspicious. Look at him defending himself here.

srayzie ago

@kevdude... I’m so suspicious that I’ve been here everyday for a year and crensch knows me so well that he still thinks I’m a guy. Lol

DomKeyhote ago

HES SUSPICIOUS THAT YOURE USING A LAPTOP WITHOUT YOUR HUSBANDS PERMISSION. Get a fucking CLUE

srayzie ago

Lol, no I’m being a NAUGHTY GIRL and am banging away on my iPad! 😮

Shizy ago

Oh no, asswipe crawled out of the gutter to join in! It's gonna be a good day!

srayzie ago

Lol I know right? 😂

srayzie ago

You find me suspicious?

Crensch ago

Yes.

DomKeyhote ago

She couldn't manipulate her way out of a wet paper bag. Shes beyond retarded. Just told me it was pretentious to use the words "non sequitur" and "raison d'etre" -- after having to Google them. They also all think I'm you on the basis of rumors that you're an antisemite XD

srayzie ago

Thank you! 👏🏻