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Are_we_sure ago

Didn't this guy say both Podestas were in custody in November?

Random101 ago

11.3 - Podesta indicted

11.6 - Huma indicted

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/147433975/#147434025

Are_we_sure ago

Do you believe they are actually indicted?

This is the reference I was making.

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2225921

Random101 ago

What I believe isn't important. Facts are that Tony was breaking the rules on influence peddling, although those rules hadn't been widely enforced in the past. I can't pick any holes in the story about John surrendering on the quiet, but it's only hearsay.

Are_we_sure ago

What I believe isn't important.

Sure it is, we are discussing the credibility of the guy who made those claims. He made two claims that are either true or false. I'm not asking if you think Tony Podesta is in legal jeopardy. I'm asking if you believe the claims he made are true. I'm asking if you believe he is credible.

None of Mueller's indictments have leaked. So far 4 people have been charged or plead guilty. This LARPer had no details beforehand on any of those 4. Why would he now?

Random101 ago

Sure it is, we are discussing the credibility of the guy who made those claims.

It's not important in the sense that it's only my opinion. What really matters are the facts and the logical arguments which give those facts wider meaning. An opinion is essentially true because it is a real belief, but beliefs can be incompatible with reality given a long enough timeline.

This LARPer had ...

Where's your proof that Q is a LARPer?

Are_we_sure ago

Every LARPing thing he has done. Played straight to the conspiracy crowd telling them what they want to hear. Getting their hopes up. Giving them something to wait on while Trump is now facing the prospect that his guy Flynn is now cooperating with the special prosecutor.

He's created an alternative narrative just when Trump needed it. And I believe this LARPer might be close to Trump, but still a LARPer.

Random101 ago

You're spinning the facts to avoid the possibility that Q has honest intent. What's your intent here at voat?

Are_we__sure ago

Spinning? You're kidding right.

Honest Intent?

No. His intention is give you some threads that in the internet spiders can scurry up and down and occupy their time to make little webs. Team Trump learned early on on how to use paranoia of the conspiracy community to their advantage by creating new conspiracy theories to occupy them.

Team Trump is not attacking the free press and the rule of law. Trump personally didn't obstruct justice when he tried to get the FBI to drop their investigation of the criminal Mike Flynn. No, these are all lies told by the corrupt Deep State. And Trump is a strategic genius who is fighting back against them.

It's a giant, giant problem that Flynn is cooperating with Mueller. Trump is going to try to find a way to fire Mueller, and it's because of Mueller's integrity.

In fact my personal theory is that Q's job is to create alternate narrative for all the stuff coming down the pike. Once Mueller started issuing indictments, the indictment talk turned to Clinton and Huma and John McCain. Saudia Arabia? Flynn was pushing a deal where the Russia and the US would cooperate to build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia. A deal that would require US sanctions to be lifted. Flynn worked as a consultant for one of the US companies in the deal. He continued to push this deal while in the White House. Russia would give Saudi Arabia the nuclear fuel by the way.

Random101 ago

Spinning? You're kidding right.

Not at all. Do you really expect me just take your word on Q's intent without any objective evidence?

His intention is give you some threads that in the internet spiders can scurry up and down and occupy their time to make little webs.

This can result in good information since it's subject to independent analysis and verification. Having theories about power structure is all well and good, but unless they can withstand rational criticism they're unlikely to be of much value to anyone.

Trump is a strategic genius who is fighting back against [the corrupt Deep State].

The problem is that in a global context it's the fictions of statism which form the basis of corruption. Trump's intent appears to be honourable, but he's the commander-in-chief of a federation of states, not a country with a direct connection to the law of the land. Declaring the law of the land to be something different doesn't change it's real nature and qualities, which are expressed as the practice and consent of the people.