[Moderators: this post relates to #pizzagate because it describes a potential effort by Donald Trump to engage in a military coup to drain the swamp, including child trafficking and abuse.]
Yesterday, the alternative media exploded with reports about an anonymous 4chan poster's posts about Donald Trump.
Here is a thread on The_Donald about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7a508x/archive_of_the_latest_anon_post_claiming_podesta/
Here is a thread on r/conspiracy about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7a3mjm/what_the_fuck_is_this_guy_talking_about/
Here is an archive of the original posts:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/uid/grTMpzrL/order/asc
I'm writing this post on v/pizzagate because (A) I think this new series of posts has a LOT of credibility and (B) it makes me more optimistic about Trump truly being the hero we needed.
First, I want to establish something important: not all 4chan insiders are LARP fakers. Sometimes, these insiders actually make predictions that turn out to be true.
A. The original FBIanon in July predicted that the Clinton Foundation was associated with child trafficking. This prediction was made four months before Podesta's emails were released and #pizzagate (this entire VOAT community) existed.
B. The same (or different) insider on 4chan predicted that the FBI would do something critical on Sunday, November 1, 2016.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5aqvr4/this_is_the_secret_of_the_fbi_tweets_this_is_what/
This prediction was precise down to the exact minute.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ao7p1/looks_like_they_delivered_the_goods_right_on/
C. An anonymous insider warned people to stay away from Vegas three weeks in advance:
https://squawker. org/politics/4chanvegas/
D. White House Anon predicted something big would happen on July 27. That day Imran Awan was arrested and Congress called for an investigation into Clinton, Comey, and Lynch:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6q0leq/either_the_whanon_727_post_was_legit_or_we_just/
And so on. There are probably other examples.
Making valid predictions is probably the most powerful way for an "insider" to gain credibility. That's why I always ask George Webb to make specific predictions.
Now let's get back to this new alleged insider, who calls himself "Q Clearance Patriot" (I'll use "Q"). First of all, Q makes two big and bold predictions:
A. Tomorrow (November 3) Podesta will be indicted (doesn't specify John or Tony)
B. Sunday (November 5) Huma will be indicted
Just based on all of the fake predictions and "happenings" in the past, I find it emotionally difficult to actually believe that this will happen. But there are several things that make me cautiously optimistic about Q.
A. Q says that U.S. military intelligence recruited Trump. This is almost exactly what the FBI Twitter activity, on Oct. 30-Nov. 1, suggested, as analyzed in this famous thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5aqvr4/this_is_the_secret_of_the_fbi_tweets_this_is_what/
Specifically, after tweeting about Trump, the FBI then tweeted about deputizing new agents and left-behind sleeper agents in occupied territory.
I believe that Steve Pieczenik has said similar things about an intelligence counter-coup against Hillary.
B. Q'a overall theory (that Trump was recruited by military intelligence to stage a quiet coup to restore government integrity) fits with several things we know about the military.
First of all, the military has a very low rate of Jewish people. For some mysterious reason, Jewish people rose to disproportionate levels of power in finance, lobbying, Hollywood, and media, but not in the military. If you look at the picture of Trump with his military team ("calm before the storm"), you see virtually no Jewish people there. FBIanon, who is widely regarded as the most credible of the 4chan insiders, said that the deep state corruption has a heavy Jewish influence.
Second, Trump alluded to a "calm before the storm" at the same time as his military team meeting. The quiet coup is the perfect candidate for what Trump's cryptic phrase meant.
Third, Trump has appointed a high number of generals to his cabinet and other positions. General Flynn (who tweeted about pizzagate) comes from the military.
Fourth, I have personally written, repeatedly, that if Trump was really going to drain the swamp, he would need to engage in some kind of coup, such as marching the National Guard into CIA headquarters in Langley. Q explicitly refers to Trump's authority over the National Guard (and coordination with the marines).
Fifth, Q says that Trump was given assurances and protection, if he ran for President. This makes perfect sense as to why Trump always seems so cool, calm, and collected, for a man who is widely discussed as a target for assassination (see the new Snoop Dogg album cover. If the deep state corruption was so bad (JFK assassination and pizzagate bad), I wondered how Trump could be so calm and smug. Q gives one explanation. Look at the smug smile on Trump's face here, this is the face of a man who is given deep assurances and protection.
Trump's assurances and protection are also consistent with principle #2 from The Art of the Deal, "Protect the downside and the upside will take care of itself." Why spend dozens of millions of dollars, and put your family name and businesses through the mud and microscope, if there is a big chance that you won't win? Trump protected the downside by getting assurances and protection from U.S. military intelligence.
Sixth, there are speculative reports that there are two more sealed indictments from Mueller's investigation already docketed.
Seventh, Q says that Soros is targeted. This is consistent with a lot of other information. FBIanon said that Soros is the kingpin. Hannity has stated that Soros is the target of one of his tick-tock happenings.
Nevertheless, there are also reasons to doubt Q.
A. So many "happening" predictions have turned out fake before.
B. Q portrays Mueller as a Marine and hero. But Mueller covered up 9/11. The only way I could see Mueller being a hero is if he was blackmailed or controlled during the 9/11 years somehow. Notably, anonymous "insiders" have repeatedly reported that Mueller was pardoned by Trump. Still, the 9/11 test is a key test of credibility, and Mueller fails it.
C. Trump himself has wide ranging and suspicious connections to Roy Cohn, Larry Silverstein, Henry Kissinger, and other Wall St. people, which I go over here.
D. On the surface, it doesn't make sense that a true patriot, engaging in the most important military counter-coup in modern U.S. history, would leak it to the internet several days in advance. The potential downside is astronomical (compromising the counter-coup), and the potential upside (a little internet fame) is virtually nil.
E. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Trump would wait a full year after taking power. If you discovered that the deep state was involved in mass drug and child trafficking, treason, sex blackmail, false flag terrorism, and illegal spying (and who knows what else), why would you wait one day to expose it? On January 20th, Trump could have held a live television press conference. Perhaps the white hats needed a year to plan a counter-coup that wouldn't destabilize the country or start a war. But that's a long time to let evil go unchecked.
Nevertheless, something about Q rings credible to me (and to most of the other users on reddit commenting on Q's thread).
For the last few months, I have thought that Trump was simply selected by a different fraction of THE POWERS THAT BE, likely because Hillary Clinton was too reckless and risked exposing deep state operations. That would explain why Trump's campaign promises were so attractive (nationalism, America first, end the wars, end lobbying corruption), and yet he didn't really fulfill them. Q's thread makes me think that the fault line is drawn differently, between:
A. Trump, the FBI agents in control of the Twitter Records Vault Account, Wikileaks, the U.S. military, and U.S. military intelligence
B. everyone else in the permanent deep state corruption (Democrats, RINOs, CIA, FBI upper management, State Department, etc.)
I guess we will find out tomorrow what happens. Even if nothing happens, I suspect Q gave us some good information.
UPDATE: This is another excellent analysis, which fits with Q's story here. In this other analysis, the author argues that Trump has known all along about the multiple different attempts to compromise his Presidential campaign, because he got insider information from Michael Flynn:
https://tttthreads.com/thread/925850811090927616
UPDATE: POTUS Twitter went down for five minutes, consistent with Q's predictions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7afpj4/geotus_twitter_goes_down_pol_freaks/
UPDATE: After the original series of posts yesterday, Q also started posting again today:
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/147647514#p147648286
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tholinz ago
A lot of interesting points.
Like I said in reply to somebody else's comment below, Obama was loathed in the DoD. Bush was more well-liked, but his wrong-headed foreign policy was still seen as exactly that. Hillary, however, might as well be Satan in the eyes of your average servicemember, and that was before we all knew about this shit with her private server, spirit cooking, and everything else. It would not surprise me at all if the very few of us who might have been in a position to help in some capacity did so. I wouldn't go so far as to say that people actively recruited Trump to run, but I'm sure that some may have encouraged him, helped him, and exerted what political influence they could to assist him.
The Jewish thing is an interesting point. I'm a service academy grad, and while I don't have formal stats on this, the breakdown there was NOT representative of the general population. We were over-represented on Catholics (about 45-55%), Mormons, and Evangelicals, and very under-represented with Jews. I can't say I knew a single one while I was there, although the Jewish chaplain was cool as hell. In the decade of active service I've had, I've only worked with one (and funnily enough, the entire unit hated the guy).
...oh no, wait, I do know about one Jewish guy from the Academy. His last name was Weinstein, and his dad went on a rampage against the school when somebody made a joke about his son having a "big nose" during training. It sounds funny, except his dad was a flaming anti-theist and advocated things like eliminating the chaplain corps entirely. He was also appointed to the DoD as a special advisor under the Obama administration. I should see if I can dig anything up on him. He was a fuckwad.
party1981 ago
Jewish people are statistically very high on atheism (I'm not that religious myself, but when you learn about Satanism, it makes you want God to be true).
I have no idea why Jewish people don't go into the military, but it could be a critical mistake if FBIanon and Q are right.
tholinz ago
Nepotism is despised in the military, and minority status gets you very little. The tribalism that Jews seem to demonstrate in other industries isn't possible there. So that's a possibility. It's a very conservative environment, and most Jews seem to be left-leaning. It doesn't pay very well. It's looked down upon by the coastal elite, or seen as a place where only "stupid" or "desperate" people end up. It's also unapologetically faithful, majority Christian, although most people are not assholes about this.
And yeah, a lot of Jewish people do seem to be atheist. Seems weird to be able to claim your religious affiliation as an ethnicity ut not actually follow any of its tenants.
Satanism is creepy as fuck. From a Catholic perspective at least, demons are out to desecrate God's creation or mock the holy trinity, so a lot of Satanism is based on degradation, humiliation, disgusting sex acts, blood sacrifice, and so on. You don't need to believe in God to find that sort of thing horrific, although the idea of willfully choosing to reject God utterly and damning yourself for the sake of temporary earthly gains makes the whole thing that much worse.
party1981 ago
All of that makes sense. I suspect that Jews, as a constantly persecuted minority throughout history, developed conflict strategies that were based on sneakiness, deception, etc. More prey strategy than predator strategy. In contrast, the military is all about big, bold strength and violence.
I remember the first time I watched the videos of Majestic Ape at Comet Ping Pong. That's when I realized that Stanley Kubrick was trying to warn us about something in Eyes Wide Shut.
tholinz ago
The military can be sneaky, in terms of operations. But dealing with other people around the base? Yeah, nobody puts up with sneaky bullshit. (And goddamn, yeah, that Jewish guy tended to be really underhanded about things in terms of getting what he wanted.)
I think it's likely that the Jewish community nurtures tribalism in their children through the SIX MILLION OF US WERE KILLED BY THE NAZIS AND THE WORLD HATES US! thing. Joining the military, for anybody, is inherently about giving up some of your biases/beliefs and adopting a new group identity that's based on a shared sense on duty and love of America. From what I understand, a lot of Jews think anything that even hints at nationalism is Nazism. I think it might just be a more jarring transition for them, and the ones who do make that transition probably aren't interested in the tribalism any more. After all, most of the black people I know in uniform think racial politics are fucking bullshit.
party1981 ago
I still remember reading FBIanon write that "9/11 was Mossad" back in October of 2016. I thought that was crazy disinfo then. Later I watched hundreds of hours of videos on youtube and learned the truth.
AssFaceSandwich2 ago
The guys in a van arrested filming the whole thing from across the river were Mossad. They were arrested.... and then let go.
Great foreign policy we have.
party1981 ago
Yes I agree with all of that.
Read the Culture of Critique if you want to learn more about Jewish culture and its affect on U.S./gentile culture. The book is blowing my mind.
tholinz ago
I might have to check that out. Like a lot of subjects, it's hard to find something objective about the over-representation of Jews in our cultural institutions.
party1981 ago
The book is written in a very scholarly way that gave it credibility in my mind, even if liberal academia has largely spurned it. Scholars like Steven Pinker haven't even read it.
The book explains a lot.
tholinz ago
Yeah, just checked out the reviews on Amazon. Even the people who didn't especially like it gave it credit for being even handed. I'll have to give it a read.