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HighLevelInsider ago

I'm familiar with ClosedSociety404's original work on reddit, but you're missing the real reason Trump can't drain the swamp: the economy is dependent on CIA drug-dealing. If he drains the swamp, they drain the US dollar's status as reserve currency.

That's why economic alternatives like the space elevator are utterly crucial to any discussion of swamp-draining. The swamp exists because it functions. Unspeakably evil, but there's bread on the shelves.

It doesn't have to be this way, but it will be until we start demanding a viable alternative.

party1981 ago

That's what Senate Anon wants you to think, but I respectfully disagree.

  1. If CIA black ops are funding the government's annual budget, we can just cut 20% of the budget. End all of the wars and shrink the military, game over.
  2. But CIA black ops don't fund the government. They don't pay Social Security checks or Medicare payouts. CIA blacks ops fund Wall St. and banksters.

HighLevelInsider ago

If I had to guess, I'd say Senate Anon got that from me. It will help if you read the link I provided.

If CIA black ops are funding the government's annual budget, we can just cut 20% of the budget. End all of the wars and shrink the military, game over.

This is precisely the problem. The economy is propped up by the petrodollar, enforced by the military. The dollar would collapse if it isn't simultaneously buoyed by the confidence of coming 25% growth.

But CIA black ops don't fund the government. They don't pay Social Security checks or Medicare payouts. CIA blacks ops fund Wall St. and banksters.

They really do. The money is laundered through the banks. Look into HSBC.

party1981 ago

You provided two links. I'm already familiar with CIA drug operations. I also instinctively distrust the MSM, including the Guardian.

"The economy is propped up by the petrodollar, enforced by the military."

  1. Shrinking our budget should make the dollar go up, not down.
  2. The military does things to prop up the dollar. But it also does a lot of other insane shit to serve other purposes. Like balkanizing Iraq for Israel, and fighting the Taliban to grow opium.
  3. I'm familiar with HSBC. I've read that it was used to launder money for deep state crooks. Never read that it was used to finance Social Security and Medicare. If you can provide a source, I will reconsider, but I'm highly confident that you can't, because the proposition is kind of absurd on its face.

HighLevelInsider ago

Our manufacturing has been hollowed out, we have massive trade deficits, crumbling infrastructure, and $20 trillion in debt. What are you foreseeing happens when these countries start selling their oil in gold-backed currency or yuan? That's what happened with Gaddafi.

party1981 ago

Gaddafi was assassinated by Hillary Clinton's private army.

If counties dump the dollar, it will collapse. But that is not the end of the world. It has happened three or four times before. Life goes on. If you keep your savings in cash, you're insane

HighLevelInsider ago

For the average American, it would be something like an economic end of the world. If you believe the government statistics, we have trade deficits of $500 billion dollars, or almost 20% of our trade. In reality, we can probably double that due to the arms smuggling and drug-running of the CIA.

In other words, a 40% drop in the standard of living of the average American if the dollar goes down. And that's before China starts to muscle us, imposing tariffs to utterly destroy the industry we have left, and the financial sector shifts elsewhere. And that's before you consider things like civil unrest or outright civil war breaking out.

This is not a scenario we are willing to accept and say "life goes on." The bankers have done this too often, and they're going to stop.

party1981 ago

What you don't understand is that the U.S. does not need 40% of its government budget. We don't need the war in Afganistan. We don't need the CIA. We don't need 20-40% of the things that government spends money on.

And your suggestion that HSBC pays for Social Security is still hilarious. You haven't tried to defend that one.

HighLevelInsider ago

I'm obviously not defending the CIA or the wars. You simply aren't considering what I said because it conflicts with libertarian talking points you've been fed. With a conservative estimate, the US is bringing in something like $1-2 trillion of wealth per year through illegitimate means.

You seek to replace this with hand-waiving about budget cuts. Cutting that much money out of the economy would destroy millions of jobs, put disabled and elderly people on the street, and cut basic services like healthcare and schools. Those are the things that lead to economic collapse, starvation, civil unrest, and the like.

And your suggestion that HSBC pays for Social Security is still hilarious

"HSBC's Mexican operations moved $7bn into the US operations, for instance, which the Senate was told was tied to drug money."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/dec/11/hsbc-bank-us-money-laundering

$7 billion dollars from one bank in one country.

party1981 ago

I'm not libertarian. I actually like most of Trump's campaign policies.

"the US is bringing in something like $1-2 trillion of wealth per year through illegitimate means."

That money goes to banksters and the military industrial complex.

"Cutting that much money out of the economy would destroy millions of jobs, put disabled and elderly people on the street, and cut basic services like healthcare and schools."

Ending pointless wars and empire building will create jobs too. Will there be creative destruction? Yes. Will there be growing pains? Yes. Will we have to confront this reality anyway, because the empire and debt are unsustainable? Yes.

Your HSBC quote does nothing to support your ridiculous claim that CIA drug money pays for Social Security and Medicare.