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Da-Cat ago

Jan Irwin / Gnostic Media is considered a complete loon by anyone in MKULTRA or psychedelic research no matter which side they take. Also many later writers on these subjects after about 1990 recirculate made up hype & disinfo to sell books, seminars or YouTube/blog clickbait. Irvin was a psychedelic proponent that OD'd on DMT, went totally paranoid & started claiming everyone involved with psychedelics professionally were CIA agents, often guilt by association, etc..

This is also a problem with a few female authors on Monarch programming claiming recovered memories. Fritz Springmeier got outed as a phoney "minister" & the woman he "deprogrammed" turned on his writings about her, besides he started an affair with her when they were both married & he had children. Some "minister".

While CIA & Satanic SRA are well-documented by responsible journalists there is now a market for hype & obfuscation as marketing & clickbait as in much other conspiracy theory.

Some of the people doing useful work also without knowing recirculate hype & disinfo & the model for this was the UFO movement which model is now used throughout CT by going over the top, David Icke & Alex Jones for example, 90% truth with 10% bullshit & normals chuck the rest.

ASolo ago

Umm, expressly whom considers them loons? Obviously just you.

Da-Cat ago

I have a Facebook group based on the Acid Dreams (book) scenario with the focus on whether the CIA intentionally spread LSD to ferment the counterculture. Various psychedelic figureheads or experts are involved that were around people like Albert Hofmann, Timothy Leary, etc..

Some are published authors on psychedelics while others interviewed many principles, others are figures from conspiracy, psychology or transhumanism.

Most know of Jan Irvin, just was looking at his Facebook profile & noticed a half dozen of current members are still FB friends with him, likely haven't had confrontations though their psychedelic backgrounds would make them "CIA agents" by his definition.

My own background includes over 4 decades research in this area. My father was close & worked with The Manchurian Candidate author & the dorector of the movie, along with notables like John Lilly MD a family friend. I could go into much more depth but the point is almost everyone I respect in the subject thinks Irvin is a nutcase, also a few that knew mutual associates have made allegations of theft of a mutual friend's work.

Besides having had a nearly 3 hour diatribe with the jerk on FB Messenger I might yet publish even others I know only incidentally have stories & loath the guy.

AgainstPedos ago

I read Acid Dreams. Never used drugs but lived near Hollywood at one time. So HOW do I find your FB group? I'd like to read the discussion as I have many questions.