While I am not here to "debate" -- as this is not the proper forum to do so -- I do respect your opinion, and while we may differ on approach or acceptance of certain pieces of evidence, I believe the intent is the same.

The trouble with your reply is this: You skipped Step 1: Define Pizzagate. Before we move further along in our discussion, I would first need to understand what it is YOU believe.

You claim:

People are still claiming there's a basement there and underground tunnels used for trafficking. Still claiming the liquor storage shelving are cages intended for children. Still claiming a video shows a child screaming within Comet. Still claiming many other businesses on that block are involved.

Are those "people" you? Is that what you believe? That there is a basement at Comet Ping Pong with underground tunnels used to traffic children who had been locked in cages in a liquor store on a block of businesses also covering for the operation?

I am not judging, merely seeking clarification of YOUR views (not the entire sub).

Pizzagate involves the Podesta emails. It's dishonest to say otherwise. Pizzagaters beleieve there is evidence of pedophilia in them. The other stuff you mention has nothing to do with.

"Pizzagate" is a hashtag. It is an all-encompassing header intended to cover everything related to [INSERT YOUR BELIEF HERE]. While it may have become popular in relation to the Podesta emails and alleged code words (which, for the record, I do believe are real), the actual CRIMINAL part of this whole investigation pre-dates Podesta and his emails.

"Pizzagate" is the new "Franklin Cover-Up." The notion that human trafficking, particularly of children, began with Wikileaks or somehow only came to light because of them is near-sighted and does a disservice to the decades of documented abuse already on record. Worse yet, since the only people to "define" what "pizzagate" is publicly are those in the media wishing to dismiss it, to ask someone if they think Pizzagate is real shows a lack of understanding of the facts.

It a semantic war of words intended to make all of us look foolish.

NCMEC was founded on the heels of the Adam Walsh "kidnapping."

The Adam Walsh case was used to usher in TONS of new federal laws, many of which had NOTHING to do with the actual Walsh case.

Very valid points to add to the list of verifiable questions. Thank you.

There's an old adage I think pertains to this very issue: "The fish rots from the head down." Our system of government is doing just that -- decaying by the hour.

Even Podesta knew it all too well...from one of his Wikileaks emails:

From: John Podesta [mailto:[email protected]]

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:13 PM To: Begala, Paul Subject: Re:

I know the fish rots from the head, but I really feel sorry for her.

by the way, I wear my tinfoil hat proudly

We can think outside the box when the majority can not

and too many of them have very little boxes

I would not say obviously not true or obviously true. We don't know. However, the symbology, in related Instagram pictures, FBI info, menus are noteworthy. It is more than horrendous illegal activity, it is a cult. I think that is what is maybe newer in this discussion vs. Franklin. Its the use of the term pizza and the kind of discussion that was illuminated in the Podesta e-mails. Sometimes a pizza is just a pizza and sometimes it is not.

Most legit researchers left these parts months ago. Those of us who remain have and always will understand that the reality of the situation is far darker than the "sub" culture references, though not nearly as entertaining to read.

Huge steps forward are needed these days. Onward...

Tavistock's specialty is running psy-ops.

That should tell you something.

"Tell them that you're fighting a human trafficking ring run by white Jewish men who are stealing third world orphans to exercise the symbol of their white Jewish male privilege and "superiority."

Fixed it for you!!

That is an excellent choice since it seems everyone is ready to fight over that. And it is actually true the wealthy elite sit back and have the chosen children brought to then in their castles for pleasure just prior to sacrifice. That is the real truth. Take a forklift and bulldozer to Jersey Island you will find hundreds if not thousands of children's & infant bones in mass graves and in Lime for disentigration.

Jersey privately owned by the Crown (Queen) with over 300 billion in deposits in numerous private banks for the Ultra wealthy tax havens. Life of luxury on the Island life of horror for the sea cadets and other children (orphans) brought to service them and their friends like Jimmy Saville before being killed in rituals.

Yes, JEWISH actors. There's a reason that Hollyweird is 100% Jewish, and there's a reason there's a revolving door between Hollywood and Washington. (see Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson, Donald Trump, et al)

Our criminal justice system -- or at least the one that used to exist -- was based on one fundamental principle: the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. In my experience, I can tell you most investigators (professional and amateurs alike) do the opposite.

• They begin with a theory, a notion, an assumption that the person being investigated must have done something wrong and then begin to gather evidence to support that opinion. Most refer to this as confirmation bias.

Guilty parties know this all too well, and when covering tracks will feed false information to distract and deceive others, leading people down dark rabbit holes without an end in sight. Reddit, Voat, whatever you use to follow the storyline is no different. This is their attempt at making ALL those who are following the breadcrumbs look like the loose screws.

• In fact, that again is confirmation bias...People hear a theory that's just too crazy to be true, do a little digging and find that other people who believe it are racist, hateful or just plain nuts...and then in turn (because they don't want to identify with those same qualities) assume the theory is just that -- crazy. Case closed.

The good news is some of us wear our tin foils with pride. Some of us wear them with honor. Because some of us know the truth. And only time reveals all...

They are destined for a lake of fire.

I would say that we shouldn't count on such things, and that we should pursue justice within the realm of known reality.

As a recovering Democrat, I find leaving politics out of the conversation is the only way to make sense of this. That said, of course, I believe Clinton and her associates are very heavily involved in criminal activities, up to and likely including human trafficking in some form. At what level is yet to be determined.

You are correct, historical evidence suggests that government agencies have in the past trafficked drugs, weapons and money, and I would agree it isn't a far leap to traffic human flesh...

The fact of the matter is, however, that "pizzagate" -- ie child exploitation -- has occurred under a lot of different Presidents, on both sides.

There is a reason she was first on my list...

I believe it wAS a conduit of some kind . Every business there is connected (both physically and figuratively) tunnels and politics provide those connections. also, the computer drive shot up, the private area on the website---killroom. the threats alefantis made to that researcher…..yeah it's circumstantial but it's pretty suspicious and at some level----and don't forget the "artwork" that was all taken down drink the height of the accusations being thrown around.

No. Facts cannot be "most likely true." You are confusing evidence with theory. Let's take killroom tweets for example -- This would imply people are being murdered, correct? There is a difference between sex slavery and human sacrifice. I'm not saying they are not related, nor am I denying the existence of both, but there are different questions you need to ask to successfully land on the truth with that leap in logic.

So what is "more likely" is the theory that we are dealing with a collection of sick people who have (likely) gotten away with many crimes -- not excluding murder -- and that a pizza joint was, like the tunnels, the tweets, the artwork, the performers and whatever is covered by your "etc." another piece of the puzzle ... not the picture itself.

Hoorah! I was convinced it would be the inflames -- my name for the trolls who are only here to fan a virtual fire thru inflammatory language...There is a difference between being insightful and "inciteful."